Alan Stubbs.

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I agree totally with this. We're surely bigger than all that bile? If we're going to criticise Rangers fans or whoever - and so we should - for spewing their vile poison, then we need to rise above it ourselves and be seen to do so. We ought to be better than that.

One or two songs very rarely heard (the most recent of which remains a mystery to those of us who weren't in Greece) about a man who tried to kill our club aren't, imo, a moral equivalent to the constant bile spewed by the Huns on a weekly basis.

However, I agree with the general point - I wish no-one sung anything about Mercer. I'd rather his name wasn't mentioned at any Hibs match. As I said on another thread - the man is dead - can we not just leave him there? Singing about him continues to afford him importance when, to us, he should now be an irrelevance.

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Maybe if every manager that’s subject to it mentions it in their post match interviews then it might force the media to start commenting on it

[Greenfly]

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One or two songs very rarely heard (the most recent of which remains a mystery to those of us who weren't in Greece) about a man who tried to kill our club aren't, imo, a moral equivalent to the constant bile spewed by the Huns on a weekly basis.

However, I agree with the general point - I wish no-one sung anything about Mercer. I'd rather his name wasn't mentioned at any Hibs match. As I said on another thread - the man is dead - can we not just leave him there? Singing about him continues to afford him importance when, to us, he should now be an irrelevance.

I completely agree that they're not "a moral equivalent" to the vile stuff but I still maintain we should be above that rubbish - does us no credit at all - thankfully we do usually rise above it.

[WeeRussell]

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There is a massive difference between Stubbs and Mercer and you know it

It’s either unacceptable to sing about people’s ill health or it isn’t.

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I completely agree that they're not "a moral equivalent" to the vile stuff but I still maintain we should be above that rubbish - does us no credit at all - thankfully we do usually rise above it.

Aye - we've loads of great songs these days, why we'd choose to ever bother with classless and tasteless stuff is beyond me.

[HibeeHibernian4]

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This is one of the type of points that get hammered on here..but I agree with the post you quoted....these Mercer songs are an embarrassment to our club..every bit as poor taste as anything sung by the bigots at Ibrox. as is the Skatcel song...the Mercer songs in Greece were very disappointing for me.

I wish we would rise above these types of chants. It's not a good reflection on our wonderful club..


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One of the biggest loads of nonsense I’ve ever read on here , and I say that as somebody who is disgusted by the Skacel song. Mercer however? Absolutely no sympathy for that Tory ******* who tried to end our club, and not that much for his family who run to the papers every 5 years going “see, Hibs and Hearts not winning the league is proof that “oor Wallace wis right all along!”

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One of the biggest loads of nonsense I’ve ever read on here , and I say that as somebody who is disgusted by the Skacel song. Mercer however? Absolutely no sympathy for that Tory ******* who tried to end our club, and not that much for his family who run to the papers every 5 years going “see, Hibs and Hearts not winning the league is proof that “oor Wallace wis right all along!”

I know my post wasn't going to be a popular opinion. Mercer is a very emotive topic , and your response gives evidence of that...

If I read your response right, it says that he did a thing that was "horrible" so it's fine to sing a hateful song about him and his wife..

To me it is a song of hate. No different to other hate filled songs other teams sing. I wish we were above that.




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[we are hibs]

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It’s either unacceptable to sing about people’s ill health or it isn’t.

It's not as black and white as that. Mercer is one of the worst people to ever be involved in Scottish football. A complete cretin who tried to kill our football club. What has Alan Stubbs done to even be close to that for hearts and rangers fans to sing about him? Also I don't think any songs about Mercer, certainly the ones I have heard have ever referenced his "poor health". More the fact he's dead.p

[Smartie]

It's a good thing we saw St Mirren alright for the John McGinn cash.

Their board could make ours look pretty weak by coming out in full support of Alan Stubbs and condemning the sickening abuse aimed at their manager, something ours has failed to do for successive managers.

[JimBHibees]

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Fair play to the buddies fans today.

That is brilliant.

[Billy Whizz]

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It's a good thing we saw St Mirren alright for the John McGinn cash.

Their board could make ours look pretty weak by coming out in full support of Alan Stubbs and condemning the sickening abuse aimed at their manager, something ours has failed to do for successive managers.

Where are you reading this

[calumhibee1]

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One or two songs very rarely heard (the most recent of which remains a mystery to those of us who weren't in Greece) about a man who tried to kill our club aren't, imo, a moral equivalent to the constant bile spewed by the Huns on a weekly basis.

However, I agree with the general point - I wish no-one sung anything about Mercer. I'd rather his name wasn't mentioned at any Hibs match. As I said on another thread - the man is dead - can we not just leave him there? Singing about him continues to afford him importance when, to us, he should now be an irrelevance.

Agree. Is it as bad as some of the stuff that’s sung elsewhere? Maybe not. I’d much rather we didn’t sing about a guy being dead though to be honest, no matter what happened in the past.

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Where are you reading this

Which part?

Hibs didn't comment on any of the abuse aimed at either Stubbs or Lennon any time we've been to Ibrox, abuse that has (seemingly) continued now Stubbs is at St Mirren.

I'm not necessarily saying they should - if Stubbs and Lennon themselves don't massively object then I'm not sure our board should, but all I'm saying is that by pointing out the glaringly obvious, St Mirren could make us look a bit weak.

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Which part?

Hibs didn't comment on any of the abuse aimed at either Stubbs or Lennon any time we've been to Ibrox, abuse that has (seemingly) continued now Stubbs is at St Mirren.

I'm not necessarily saying they should - if Stubbs and Lennon themselves don't massively object then I'm not sure our board should, but all I'm saying is that by pointing out the glaringly obvious, St Mirren could make us look a bit weak.

The bit you said that the St Mirren board have come out and condemned it

[Danderhall Hibs]

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The bit you said that the St Mirren board have come out and condemned it

He didn’t say that - he said they “could” make our board look weak “if”...

[Billy Whizz]

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He didn’t say that - he said they “could” make our board look weak “if”...

Must have been the way I read it

Doesn’t this sound familiar
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/fo...eating/&page=1

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Must have been the way I read it

Doesn’t this sound familiar
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/fo...eating/&page=1

horrible club and horrible fans.

I remember that the fans reps were taking our complaints away but I don’t remember reading the update?

[Smartie]

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Must have been the way I read it

Doesn’t this sound familiar
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/fo...eating/&page=1

If our fans reps aren't going to do anything about it by themselves, maybe they can get together with fans of other clubs and try to do something?

This is totally unacceptable and something needs to be done.

[Bostonhibby]

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One of the biggest loads of nonsense I’ve ever read on here , and I say that as somebody who is disgusted by the Skacel song. Mercer however? Absolutely no sympathy for that Tory ******* who tried to end our club, and not that much for his family who run to the papers every 5 years going “see, Hibs and Hearts not winning the league is proof that “oor Wallace wis right all along!”

It's probably a bit irrational but I won't be criticising any Hibby from that era who sees Mercer as fair game though I abhor the Skacel song, the Edinburgh song and anything else of that ilk. Mercer wasn't a football person, he was a typical tory chancer of that sad period in time who wasn't shy at using other peoples money / friendly bank credit to make a buck- If he never had his lines of credit and associates with the same aim he'd not have got off the ground. Hearts were in debt then, had a severe ground maintenance issue and Mercer wasn't putting any new money in.

The buck here was ER's higher development value and the ease with which he and his chums could get at it compared to Tynecastle (we only have to look at the mess it is today to appreciate how hard it would have been for him to turn a shilling out of it).

If you look at his choice of partners in the scam it's not too hard to see it for what it actually was. Once the bank withdrew funding the game was up, the opportunity to cash in was gone, so shortly after was Mercer.

We probably have him to thank for expanding then enshrining the financial model they have ran on since, it ultimately led to them having to put themselves into administration and left them having to live with the awful stigma of having bumped the high profile charities and public bodies they did. All because, as in Mercers day it was okay to use money that wasn't theirs to use in pursuit of an illusion. It's been the Hearts way for as long as I can remember.

They were in a hole before and after his involvement but I'm happy that he set the tone for the culture of compliance / belief and ultimately denial that Vlad exploited so expertly while they stood by, they like a good talker spending somebody elses money.

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It's not as black and white as that. Mercer is one of the worst people to ever be involved in Scottish football. A complete cretin who tried to kill our football club. What has Alan Stubbs done to even be close to that for hearts and rangers fans to sing about him? Also I don't think any songs about Mercer, certainly the ones I have heard have ever referenced his "poor health". More the fact he's dead.p

I don't disagree that Wallace Mercer was far more dislikeable human being than Alan Stubbs (who I absolutely adore ). I also would say that the levels and volume of these, shall we say, 'bad taste' songs are on a different scale at Ibrox.. or wherever their gang of neanderthals happen to be travelling to.

However, I fully disagree that we can be so up in arms and calling for condemnation of the above**.. while defending some of the **** that comes from our own fans just because Stubbs is a nicer guy.

There definitely have been songs about his ill-health. Although most of them are simple "he's deid" efforts.

They're all poor and shouldn't be sung at all, in my opinion.

**To clarify, I DO think it's right to condemn the huns' behaviour... but don't pretend it'd be alright if the target 'deserves' it.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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It's not as black and white as that. Mercer is one of the worst people to ever be involved in Scottish football. A complete cretin who tried to kill our football club. What has Alan Stubbs done to even be close to that for hearts and rangers fans to sing about him? Also I don't think any songs about Mercer, certainly the ones I have heard have ever referenced his "poor health". More the fact he's dead.p

Someones health cannae get any worse than that!

[WestStandWillie]

Absolutely nowt wrong with Mercer song.

May it be belted out every time we play those frauds

[bigwheel]

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Absolutely nowt wrong with Mercer song.

May it be belted out every time we play those frauds

If that’s your view , then I assume you don’t mind any hate fuelled songs for any other club ? Or is it one rule for us and one for the others ?

[Sean1875]

I'm sorry but if you don't see anything wrong with singing a song with the line "No its not a shame, hope he died in pain" then that is really troubling.

[Smartie]

Mercer songs were fair game whilst he was still alive and it wasn't unreasonable to make a point in the immediate aftermath of his death.

It's not relevant to anything any more though, and I just wish we could stop it now.

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If that’s your view , then I assume you don’t mind any hate fuelled songs for any other club ? Or is it one rule for us and one for the others ?

We used to sing a couple of other songs with the hate word in it.

We hate Glasgow Rangers we hate Celtic 2, you will probably know the rest.

We f****n hate Jam Tarts repeated over & over.

Just change the hate word to "we don't like"

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We used to sing a couple of other songs with the hate word in it.

We hate Glasgow Rangers we hate Celtic 2, you will probably know the rest.

We f****n hate Jam Tarts repeated over & over.

Just change the hate word to "we don't like"

There is a nastiness to the Mercer songs (and Skatcel) that are different from others we sing


I used to think we Hibs fans would rise above all that real nastiness - With these songs , we are just the same as the other we moan about on here ..

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It's a good thing we saw St Mirren alright for the John McGinn cash.

Their board could make ours look pretty weak by coming out in full support of Alan Stubbs and condemning the sickening abuse aimed at their manager, something ours has failed to do for successive managers.

Our silence is part of the problem, and gives tacit approval to this stain on Scottish society.

[silverhibee]

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horrible club and horrible fans.

I remember that the fans reps were taking our complaints away but I don’t remember reading the update?

If I remember correctly we were told that Leeann was dealing with it herself, can't remember if anything was done though.

[Chorley Hibee]

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If I remember correctly we were told that Leeann was dealing with it herself, can't remember if anything was done though.

I've made countless journeys through there in the past few years, and absolutely none of our concerns have been addressed by either the authorities or Hibernian FC.

I wrote the club a detailed email of my experiences before, during and after the boxing day game a few years ago, and to this day I've still not received a reply.

It pains me to say it, but our club (and countless others) have no intention of addressing this, and the matter now lies solely within our own hands.