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We are not indentured labour. We ain't working for the company store. We are not paid in truck or tokens. We are not pre-Bosman footballers.
There is a hugely competitive market economy out there for sports coverage. Especially football coverage.
Elevensports.com, an on-line company, has exclusive rights to the USPGA golf taking place right now. The same company has bought rights to several top European football leagues. I'm not sure how people who bought 40-inch plasmas to go with their Sky and BT subs will react to coverage moving to their i-phone😂.
Just as there will be popular heartfelt "Mason / Feenyin / **** in the black / SFA boardoom" threads on here, as well as the odd thread mentioning Asian bookies and matches featuring strange events, a thread in which posters genuinely hold that incompetent blazers are failing to secure easily achievable deals for TV coverage will attract plenty of nodding dogs.
I personally doubt if the initial contact in the aforementioned Elevensports.com on-line deals was an e-mail from a Serie A blazer to an Italian spiv along the lines of, "Pssst! Fancy setting-up an online service to show our games?" but it might have been. In general, though, commercial departments at all football associations and leagues - Scottish ones included - maintain lines of communication with all the major broadcasters on the matter of TV rights. Anyone who believes the SFA & SPFL marketing boys are not regularly in contact with broadcasters is entitled to voice their view. As they are entitled to voice their views on masons in black, moon missions to the Nevada desert or Prince Philip's motoring skills being utilised in a Paris underpass.
Maybe an aggressive approach of asking broadcasters for, say, "£50m per season. Take it or leave it" would pay dividends... Dividends of £50m per year. Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe it's been tried, the SFA/SPFL bluff was called & they backed down.
Perhaps Danes watch football on TV in preference to attending games. Perhaps subscriptions in Denmark are higher. Perhaps companies advertising on TV coverage tend to be more "blue chip" in Denmark, attracting higher rates and a more affluent class of potential customer than Ray Winstone's "Check ahhht Bet Free Six Fahhve, fahrawwwl da odds."
Little point in telling all this to someone who probably believes Ivor Cutler's poetry makes the literary merit of the Koran in Classical Arabic look like Phil MacGiollabhain's blog.
Edit: G - u - N - t gets starred out on here😨?... & I hate phone spell checkers😬
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12-08-2018 12:38 PM #61
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12-08-2018 12:49 PM #62
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United we stand here....
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12-08-2018 01:05 PM #65
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I've no idea how negotiations go between TV firms & Hampden. I doubt anyone on here has.
I'm only guessing as to reasons other countries get better TV deals.
Why do folk buy Coca-Cola more than other brands? Is it better? Is it just marketed more cleverly? Is it just fashion?
If companies in a sophisticated market are not paying as much for product A as they are for product B, then there's likely to be a sound reason for it.
Even if product A is better, would the cost of marketing it to replace product B be worth it?
Problem though, isn't it? Sort of Catch-22.
It's the TV companies that market the English Premier League. Marketing football without TV firms is difficult. The English Premier League more or less fluked the launchpad for its position when Murdoch threw large sums of money at it. Most analysts thought he significantly over paid.
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12-08-2018 01:08 PM #66
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Fulham and Wolves are going to be in deep trouble if they go down. Fully expecting my team Cardiff to go down but we've only spent about 25 million on players so we won't be in a huge mess. If we can somehow battle and survive then we will be in a great position financially.
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With my limited insight, I would guess that Scottish football is watched by more people domestically and generates more international interest than the likes of the Danish, Norweigian, Hungarian leagues?
Maybe that is wrong of course, but if correct then there is some strange disconnect between the market size and the value attached to the product. Can the Danish League really be worth twice as much as ours? Seems bizarre to me.
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I just find it daft when some people go out their way to label it the third best league etc which, in imo, is an attempt to look clever. when in reality it's competitive, generally exciting and the best players want to play in it.
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I’m not sure there are stacks of Sky Sports subscribers in the 5m.
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13-08-2018 06:25 AM #75
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SFA/SPFL should request a pro rata payment based on Sky Sports contributions from Scotland. That would be approximately 9% of the amount given to the English leagues.
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13-08-2018 09:32 AM #77
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SPFL chiefs ‘rip up TV deal’ five years early
More at: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...arly-1-4782916
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13-08-2018 09:41 AM #78
I'd say the best European leagues are Spain, England and Germany - in that order. Then Italy coming up fast on the rails. All the rest are quite a good bit behind in terms of both quality and strength in depth.
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I'm relatively well travelled and although a lot of people identify England and UK as being one and the same Scotland by itself is very well known.
BTW, I'd suggest the same Chinese would also struggle to pinpoint England on a map.
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13-08-2018 02:34 PM #84
I don’t understand how 1000 Chinese peoples’ geography skills has any bearing on how ethnically diverse Scotland is. Surely we have to look within the country itself to determine that.
Scotland has a great culture though, IMO. I don’t think it’s fair to call it a “backwater”. I think Scotland’s population as a whole is extremely welcoming to people from all walks of life, while still retaining our own heritage and culture.
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the EPL is marketed very effectively. It’s a big brand, a graat product and is watched by millions around the world.
The sponsorship and TV deals are huge and provide millions to the Premiership clubs exactly for that reason. It’s in demand. Games across the English Premiership are sold out every week.
By contrast our game is poorly marketed. There was under 5k at Perth yesterday and to be honest, nobody outside Scotland would pay to watch St Johnstone v Hibs.
its the harsh reality I’m afraid.
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13-08-2018 03:09 PM #86
Until the SPFL bears more competition in who will win the league, there wont be any level of interest. Every season, its either been Celtic or Rangers who have won the league. No competition.
Unfortunately, that is just the way it is. If the trumpets running the SFA didn't opt for Setanta Sports then we could be in a different position today, where we would receive a better TV income, but nevertheless, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
imo, merging of smaller city teams, such as Dundee and Dundee UTD, would provide a lot more competition, due to combined stadiums, fans and money.
quite interested to hear other folks thoughts on this?
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13-08-2018 03:21 PM #87
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Will be interesting to see what happens when the biggest English sides decide negotiating and selling their own rights globally suits them best. Pay per view per game, or monthly or season ticket. Then we’ll see what deal is made and how the league divides financially. Will only suit 4 or 5 clubs but will they care, I doubt it. Perhaps a step closer to a proper ‘elite’ European league.
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13-08-2018 03:32 PM #88
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Nobody owes Scottish football a living, least of all Sky. Market rate, they pay the least they can get away with, for all the content they have. As crazy as it sounds, the billions they throw at the EPL was the minimum they felt they could bid and still secure what they wanted.
For Scottish football to be worth more, you need both more competition, and more interest.
As for the crazy fees, I wonder if the likes of SJM excell, following in Andrew Robertson’s wake, might lead to more clubs looking up here instead of being expected to pay £15 - £20million for comparable players already in England. This could drive our own fees upwards over time.
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No point blaming the SFA or SPFL, we just need to accept that we are a smal fish in a big pond and get on with it the best we can.
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