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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGruber View Post
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    How can you omit Shaw, Bartley and Slivka yet include Agyepong and Milligan?
    Always ammuses when people put a new signing straight into their 1st eleven without having ever seen them kick a ball.

    Hope the boy Agyepong turns out to be a star but he has to go out and prove his worth surely
    Unless told otherwise, I have assumed our management team have made these signings to strengthen our starting XI and as this was a discussion regarding the strength of our starting XI, I have included them.


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    Bartley starting does not mean he is good enough, it just means we are short in that area. Lennon obviously agrees as he has brought in Milligan. I like Bartley but he is not good enough to start if we want to be competing for a top 4 position. Below is his record in big games over the past 12 months when he has started.

    30/09/17 - D 2-2 v Celtic
    14/10/17 - L 0-1 v Aberdeen
    21/10/17 - L 2-4 v Celtic (Subbed off at HT)
    24/10/17 - W 1-0 v Hearts
    10/12/17 - D 2-2 v Celtic (Subbed off at 66 min while 2 nil down)
    16/12/17 - L 1-4 v Aberdeen (Subbed off at HT)
    27/12/17 - D 0-0 v Hearts
    21/01/18 - L 0-1 v Hearts
    03/02/18 - W 1-0 v Rangers
    09/08/18 - D 0-0 v Molde
    16/18/18 - L 0-3 v Molde (Injured at 40 min while 1 nil down)
    so based on those games does that mean that every other player who played in the games we lost are not good enough to start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allant1981 View Post
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    so based on those games does that mean that every other player who played in the games we lost are not good enough to start?
    No, it means that while some people say Bartley is useful player for the big games it is simply not reflected in our results.

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    No, it means that while some people say Bartley is useful player for the big games it is simply not reflected in our results.
    some people being the manager who plays him in these games because he knows he can be trusted to do a job, again the games you have mentioned means the players who played in the games we lost mean they aren't good enough to be selected

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    We all have a first 11 that we think is our strongest team, and once we get our strongest 11 on the park, bringing in 1 of those players that some are deeming not good enough should be fine.

    Its when we are playing 3 or 4 of the fringe players at once that we will see performances dip, and is really unfair on those players too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs View Post
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    We all have a first 11 that we think is our strongest team, and once we get our strongest 11 on the park, bringing in 1 of those players that some are deeming not good enough should be fine.

    Its when we are playing 3 or 4 of the fringe players at once that we will see performances dip, and is really unfair on those players too.
    Trouble is that currently none of us have a clue about our best XI as the midfield is completely new and the team formation difficult to predict.

    It may take a few weeks to settle into the best XI.

    However, of the new signings, Horgan looks like a first choice and one imagines that Milligan has been brought in to start.

    Boyle's pace is a tremendous asset and Mallan's set pieces and long range shooting almost demands a spot.

    So if we stick to 3-5-2 then will we could see a midfield trio of Milligan-Mallan-Horgan with Gray and Stevenson at WB. Boyle and Kamberi (when fit) up front.

    Or go to a 4-3-3 with Gray and Stevenson as FBs, Milligan-Mallan-Slivka midfield 3 and Boyle-Kamberi-Horgan across the front. Quite like the idea of Boyle and Horgan tracking back to make a 5 in midfield but having the pace to get up and support Flo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allant1981 View Post
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    some people being the manager who plays him in these games because he knows he can be trusted to do a job, again the games you have mentioned means the players who played in the games we lost mean they aren't good enough to be selected
    Yup, the same manager who didnít start him in any of our last 6 League games against those teams.

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    We've already had to replace the first choice goalie with the 2nd choice goalie only to replace him with the 3rd choice goalie!
    Hanlon benched / rested, McGregor injured, Porteous in.
    Kamberi injured / rested but Oli scoring anyway and worth a start. McLaren in, Boyle adjusting roles.
    Hyndman starting but I think that might be short term / Whittaker getting game time.
    Slivka will come back in. Two new signings still to debut. / Scott Martin gets a start.

    The squad will rotate cos it's a squad game. 2 players for every position and 3 goalies. We'll play a 3, or a 5, play to batter some teams, cagier against others. Silly talking about a starting XI as if it was 1973 again IMO. Suspensions, fatigue and injury will see to that.

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    We've already had to replace the first choice goalie with the 2nd choice goalie only to replace him with the 3rd choice goalie!
    Hanlon benched / rested, McGregor injured, Porteous in.
    Kamberi injured / rested but Oli scoring anyway and worth a start. McLaren in, Boyle adjusting roles.
    Hyndman starting but I think that might be short term / Whittaker getting game time.
    Slivka will come back in. Two new signings still to debut. / Scott Martin gets a start.

    The squad will rotate cos it's a squad game. 2 players for every position and 3 goalies. We'll play a 3, or a 5, play to batter some teams, cagier against others. Silly talking about a starting XI as if it was 1973 again IMO. Suspensions, fatigue and injury will see to that.
    This is quite right .What will be the starting 11 for one game will not for the next.Isnít that what everyone wanted who complained about a threadbare squad?After all the 11 usually regarded as the tornadoes starting 11 only played together 22 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancient hibee View Post
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    This is quite right .What will be the starting 11 for one game will not for the next.Isn’t that what everyone wanted who complained about a threadbare squad?After all the 11 usually regarded as the tornadoes starting 11 only played together 22 times.
    Absolutely right ancient hibee Turnbull's Tornadoes only played together from the August of '72 to January '73. After the brilliant start to 1973 things went downhill rapidly. John Brownlie broke his leg in early January and Alex Edwards received a 8 week suspension. The side never really recovered their top form after that. Hibs topped the league on the 1st Jan and would have gone on and won the league that season in my opinion if bad luck hadn't visited. Damn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    Bartley starting does not mean he is good enough, it just means we are short in that area. Lennon obviously agrees as he has brought in Milligan. I like Bartley but he is not good enough to start if we want to be competing for a top 4 position. Below is his record in big games over the past 12 months when he has started.

    30/09/17 - D 2-2 v Celtic
    14/10/17 - L 0-1 v Aberdeen
    21/10/17 - L 2-4 v Celtic (Subbed off at HT)
    24/10/17 - W 1-0 v Hearts
    10/12/17 - D 2-2 v Celtic (Subbed off at 66 min while 2 nil down)
    16/12/17 - L 1-4 v Aberdeen (Subbed off at HT)
    27/12/17 - D 0-0 v Hearts
    21/01/18 - L 0-1 v Hearts
    03/02/18 - W 1-0 v Rangers
    09/08/18 - D 0-0 v Molde
    16/18/18 - L 0-3 v Molde (Injured at 40 min while 1 nil down)
    So one injury, and three tactical substitutions then? In each of the first three cases, Bartley was pulled for an attacker; given that he's pretty much always the least attack-minded outfielder on the pitch, it does make sense that he's an early swap for a more attack-minded player when we need to pull back a goal.

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    we now have one of the biggest squad /varieties that I can remember with decent players. I find it hard to pick the best eleven, as I am sure lots on here do. If I was asked though, and if we are playing 3 at the back it has to be Mc Greggor Hanlon and Luie. SDG has been a standout recently though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monktonharp View Post
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    we now have one of the biggest squad /varieties that I can remember with decent players. I find it hard to pick the best eleven, as I am sure lots on here do. If I was asked though, and if we are playing 3 at the back it has to be Mc Greggor Hanlon and Luie. SDG has been a standout recently though.
    Surely you arenít suggesting Stevenson plays as part of a back three?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
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    Surely you arenít suggesting Stevenson plays as part of a back three?
    Dunno MH might be on to something here! Worked a treat at Ibroke : Ambrose Stevenson and Porteous!

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