Hearts field ineligible player vs Cove.

***Billy Whizz*** · 23-07-2018 05:20 PM

No comment from Cove. Wonder if they are thinking of appealing, as the outcome has no points benefit to them

**Thecat23** · 23-07-2018 05:21 PM

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No comment from Cove. Wonder if they are thinking of appealing, as the outcome has no points benefit to them

Hopefully as they have been shafted here.

**Ralphy C** · 23-07-2018 05:22 PM

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They would have been 3 points worse off, Shirley?

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Yes, but not via the punishment.

**Joe6-2** · 23-07-2018 05:22 PM

I said they would get away with it, and they almost have. Scottish football run by idiots

***green day*** · 23-07-2018 05:23 PM

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No comment from Cove. Wonder if they are thinking of appealing, as the outcome has no points benefit to them

Well, thats not technically right.

If Cove were any good, and challenging at the top of the group - Hearts losing 2 points would help them.

I dont think in the circumstances of a group competition you can "gift" points to a team as that would potentially disadvantage Raith / Inverness, no?

**hibeedonald** · 23-07-2018 05:23 PM

Even on KB they are baffled that's it not 3 points.

I don't believe an admin error should be a points deduction in the first place (it clearly gave them no real sporting advantage) but purely because a precedent has been set, it HAS to be 3 points.

Mental decision.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 23-07-2018 05:24 PM

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Yes, but not via the punishment.

Not getting you.

The win has turned into a draw. They had 3 points from the game. They now have 1.

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***Greenfly*** · 23-07-2018 05:24 PM

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They've been given another chance to **** it up all over again.

Here's hoping they embrace that chance fully. A draw with wee Robbo's blue and red army should be enough and would add another nice twist to the tale.

***Billy Whizz*** · 23-07-2018 05:25 PM

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Well, thats not technically right.

If Cove were any good, and challenging at the top of the group - Hearts losing 2 points would help them.

I dont think in the circumstances of a group competition you can "gift" points to a team as that would potentially disadvantage Raith / Inverness, no?

The 2 points Hearts lost, should be given to them

**GreenCastle** · 23-07-2018 05:26 PM

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The win has not turned into a draw though, they've been deducted 2 points which would still be the case had they lost the game.

Well 3 points which you get for a win in 90 mins has now been deducted 2 points - so really Hearts get 1 point which is a draw and Cove still have 0 points considering they played a a team with a player who wasn’t allowed to be on the field - let alone on the team sheet due to the rules.

It’s baffling and I’ve seen non league / lowland league teams etc hammered worse than this for less.

No on has told me what will happen if this happens in a knockout game in the future?

***green day*** · 23-07-2018 05:29 PM

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The 2 points Hearts lost, should be given to them

Not supporting Hearts on this - they have made a huge error.

However, is it fair to Raith / ICT to "give" points to Cove?

I dont think so - totally different if it was a knockout phase.

**GreenCastle** · 23-07-2018 05:30 PM

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Even on KB they are baffled that's it not 3 points.

I don't believe an admin error should be a points deduction in the first place (it clearly gave them no real sporting advantage) but purely because a precedent has been set, it HAS to be 3 points.

Mental decision.

This sporting advantage talk is pub talk nonsense.

How do you even measure sporting advantage?

They broke the rules SIMPLE. They have now had the oddest punishment and a first as far as I’m aware.

It’s either a fine and no points or lose all 3 points or even a replay at worst - 2 points has made Scottish Football look even more amateur.

***BoomtownHibees*** · 23-07-2018 05:31 PM

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Even on KB they are baffled that's it not 3 points.

I don't believe an admin error should be a points deduction in the first place (it clearly gave them no real sporting advantage) but purely because a precedent has been set, it HAS to be 3 points.

Mental decision.

“No real sporting advantage”. They won the game

**Zazu62** · 23-07-2018 05:31 PM

2 points? What’s the thinking behind that?

**kaimendhibs** · 23-07-2018 05:32 PM

They are basically getting another chance to qualify. Always getting away with it🤢🤢

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**Ralphy C** · 23-07-2018 05:32 PM

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Not getting you.

The win has turned into a draw. They had 3 points. They now have 1.

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The win has not turned into a draw if it had Cove would have a point. The punishment had to be given regardless of the result of the match. 2 points deduction is what they came up with, whether thats right is another question.

***wookie70*** · 23-07-2018 05:33 PM

U13 and 14 teams lose the match or ties for fielding ineligible players. Unbelievable that Cove play against a team fielding a player who is not allowed to play and get nothing from the game. Baffling decision by the authorities

**007** · 23-07-2018 05:35 PM

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2 points? What’s the thinking behind that?

Punish them but still give them the chance to get through. It will be at the expense of a club that didn't break the rules but hopefully if they get through the extra point and 4 goals better off doesn't make a difference but it probably will.

**GreenCastle** · 23-07-2018 05:38 PM

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Not supporting Hearts on this - they have made a huge error.

However, is it fair to Raith / ICT to "give" points to Cove?

I dont think so - totally different if it was a knockout phase.

It doesn’t matter about Raith and ICT here - it’s to do with what happend in the Cove v Hearts game.

Unfortunate as it would be for Raith and ICT - Cove should have been awarded 3 points.

If teams can’t fufuil fixtures - those results are scrapped from a league. It’s not ideal but happens in football at lower levels.

If the same happens again in a group stage game or knockout game - will it be -2 points again ?

***Billy Whizz*** · 23-07-2018 05:40 PM

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It doesn’t matter about Raith and ICT here - it’s to do with what happend in the Cove v Hearts game.

Unfortunate as it would be for Raith and ICT - Cove should have been awarded 3 points.

If teams can’t fufuil fixtures - those results are scrapped from a league. It’s not ideal but happens in football at lower levels.

If the same happens again in a group stage game or knockout game - will it be -2 points again ?

That’s the issue, what happens if you deduct -2 points, or the equivalent from a winning team, in a knockout round. Do they still go through

***green day*** · 23-07-2018 05:42 PM

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It doesn’t matter about Raith and ICT here - it’s to do with what happend in the Cove v Hearts game.

Unfortunate as it would be for Raith and ICT - Cove should have been awarded 3 points.

If teams can’t fufuil fixtures - those results are scrapped from a league. It’s not ideal but happens in football at lower levels.

If the same happens again in a group stage game or knockout game - will it be -2 points again ?

In a knockout game that option wouldnt exist.

However, in a group stage game they have the option to punish Hearts and also not give an advantage to another team, which is what they have come up with.

Why its not 3 is beyond me - perhaps punishment is based on the severity of the offence

**007** · 23-07-2018 05:45 PM

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That’s the issue, what happens if you deduct -2 points, or the equivalent from a winning team, in a knockout round. Do they still go through

The SPFL have left themselves nowhere to go but no doubt would somehow class the circumstances as different.

**GreenCastle** · 23-07-2018 05:47 PM

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In a knockout game that option wouldnt exist.

However, in a group stage game they have the option to punish Hearts and also not give an advantage to another team, which is what they have come up with.

Why its not 3 is beyond me - perhaps punishment is based on the severity of the offence

Obviously the option wouldn’t exist - so what happens ? One rule for knockout - one rule for group stage ?

***green day*** · 23-07-2018 05:50 PM

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Obviously the option wouldn’t exist - so what happens ? One rule for knockout - one rule for group stage ?

That sounds like exactly what they have come up with - remember, there are no draws in knockout, no points to play for, so its win or lose.

Here, they have come up with a fudge (because they can).

Sets a precedent now though.

***BoomtownHibees*** · 23-07-2018 05:53 PM

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That sounds like exactly what they have come up with - remember, there are no draws in knockout, no points to play for, so its win or lose.

Here, they have come up with a fudge (because they can).

Sets a precedent now though.

The same rule should be applied whether it’s knock out or a group game. The result should be overturned and a 3-0 win awarded to the other team. If that’s knock out football, then you are out. If it’s within a group, the other team gain the 3 points, you get 0 and the goal difference reflects the 3-0 result.

That’s how simple it “should” be

***blackpoolhibs*** · 23-07-2018 06:00 PM

Its Scottish football authorities we are dealing with here, of course they are going to make an arse of things.

**Thecat23** · 23-07-2018 06:05 PM

Ann Budge voted off the SPFL board.

**GreenCastle** · 23-07-2018 06:06 PM

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The same rule should be applied whether it’s knock out or a group game. The result should be overturned and a 3-0 win awarded to the other team. If that’s knock out football, then you are out. If it’s within a group, the other team gain the 3 points, you get 0 and the goal difference reflects the 3-0 result.

That’s how simple it “should” be

Exactly.

Many just saying it’s Scottish Football but what do you expect - but really it’s amateur governance of one of the main cup competitions we have..

55 years and counting for any yams looking in..