Oh I do hope so...
"Three teams have averaged more than 65 per cent possession at the 2018 World Cup: Spain (74.7 per cent), Germany (72.0 per cent) and Argentina (66.0 per cent). All three struggled in the group stage, and are now out of the competition."
D. Telegraph.
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Thread: The Decline & Fall of Tika-Taka?
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11-07-2018 10:51 AM #1
The Decline & Fall of Tika-Taka?
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11-07-2018 10:56 AM #3
I’ve said it for ages, you can have all the possession you like but if the ball isn’t going forward or into the goal you aren’t going to win. Silly little triangle passes along the back 4 do nothing.
You can though still play good passing football but moving it quickly up the park. Belgium for me done this and the game last night was very good. Both playing passing football while trying to get up the park quickly.
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11-07-2018 11:17 AM #7
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I don't understand why people have to be so extreme and black and white. Tiki taka at the time was revolutionary, and changed the way football is played. When done well, it was as close to unbeatable as I've seen. When done badly, it is just, well, bad.
The same could be said of current vogue for quick counters, which when done well (Belgium, man city) are devastating, but when done badly are really just a defensive long ball game (hearts...😁).
The history of fitba shows that it constantly evolves. It is ten years since Barca and Spain started their ascendancy, so It is not surprising it has evolved and people work out how to counter it. The same as happened with all forms of football, from Scots inventing passing instead of dribbling, to catenaccio and offside traps, total football etc.
France last night were good, but were also very defensive and reactive. Tiki taka when done well, was the most proactive and positive style of football I have seen. And it was never about keeping possession for the sake of it.
Also worth pointing out that the teams mentioned above, Spain have just left an era of unparalleled domination, and Germany and Argentina contested the last world cup final.
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11-07-2018 11:21 AM #8
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When the German sides destroyed the Spanish sides a few years back in the champions league the decline started.
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11-07-2018 11:26 AM #9
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11-07-2018 11:28 AM #11
Sounds like I may be in the minority but I loved watching Barcelona and Spain 2008-2012 when Tika Taka peaked imo.
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Tika Taka done right was amazing to watch at times. Guardiolas Barcelona team were just brilliant at their best.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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11-07-2018 11:38 AM #14
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Harsh to write-off the style of play as boring because a few teams that keep possession have been knocked out of the World Cup. Not every team that holds onto the ball play 'Tiki-Taka'.
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11-07-2018 11:59 AM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
One game from that Barcelona era that I'll always reference was the Champions League final against Man United at Wembley, where Barca won 3-1. But the score line didn't really highlight the gulf on the sides. Rio Ferdinand done an interview on BT Sport talking about that game talking how he was never close enough to Messi to even give him a kick.
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11-07-2018 11:59 AM #16
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Having possession above 65% does not mean a side is playing tiki taka.
To say that the sides mentioned at this world cup (Germany,Argentina,Spain) played tiki taka and for them to be held up as proof that that system has been found out isn't right imo. The levels Spain, Barcelona (08-12) achieved were phenomenal but they also had phenomenal players who were capable of playing that style to the point where they were basically untouchable. I agree that it was eventually countered but that also coincided with the break up of those sides with new players and managers who couldn't live up to the previous dominance. Passing for passing sake with no creativity and purpose is dull and easy to defend against, that's why those countries got papped out early doors, not because they supposedly played tiki taka.
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11-07-2018 12:14 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I recall thinking at the time "Simply the best game I have ever seen". Was 5 going on 12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv8wOjk0D3Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv8wOjk0D3U
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11-07-2018 12:28 PM #18
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Fair point.
Maybe we need another name for the "pat it about at the back until we all fall asleep" style of football that evolved from Tika-Taka?
Any suggestions?
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11-07-2018 12:57 PM #22
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Mowbray-ball?
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Yeah, there were a few games like that. I think I prefer the more direct style favoured by Lennon.
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11-07-2018 01:14 PM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ticka-Tocka?
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Glad to see the back of it. I always found it monotonous to watch. It seemed to work quite well though, until it suddenly didn't.
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11-07-2018 01:26 PM #29
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When Spain beat Italy in the 2012 Euros i felt it was as close to football to perfection as youre likely to see.
Time moves on though and coaches and players work out to counter the tactics.
Thats where Spain have gone wrong. No plan B, just stubbornly sticking to that style.Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, vodka in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!"
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11-07-2018 01:29 PM #30
Genuinely anyone who didn’t enjoy the football Spain and Barcelona played between 2008-2012 and saying they’re glad to see the back of it is away with the fairies. Mental.
The two greatest sides you’ll ever see, club and country. If you don’t enjoy watching that then I’d suggest finding a different sport.
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