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Anyway rivalry can't be the right word, as that would involve competition. More like jealousy, or insecurity that wee Scotland will be forgotten.
Thing is that ship sailed years ago. Now all we are known for is an ageing group of functioning alcoholics who dress up in hats with big feathers in them. Photographed at pavement cafes in increasingly obscure destinations, with big pints of lager in front of them.
Never heard the one about "when you can't beat them and they won't let you join them." That's what all this anyone but England stuff is really about.
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11-07-2018 09:03 AM #151
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I really don't mind what the English lose at.
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I understand people not wanting England to win, but the anti-Scottish sentiment from some on here is absurd.
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11-07-2018 09:14 AM #154
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Who said im anti Scottish? I'm frustrated as hell that we are so pants internationally. Small nation is no excuse.
But, as long as we are represented by a bunch of misfits who think the show is about them, we will get nowhere.
Besides you're first part is wrong, they are known for being World Cup semi finalists.
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We must all be ageing functioning alcoholics. Maybe minus the feather hats though.Last edited by Since90+2; 11-07-2018 at 09:20 AM.
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11-07-2018 09:20 AM #156This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Conversely, now that Scotland has its own devolved parliament and has at least a measure of responsibility for its own affairs, and now that the new generation of English fans have a better reputation than their predecessors, the anyone-but-England mentality seems much less pronounced in Scotland.
Thankfully the ABE attitude is just as strong as it ever has been in my experience. Mon the Croats
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11-07-2018 09:20 AM #157
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11-07-2018 09:22 AM #158
Also, the idea that some have on here that Scotland-England can't be rivals because of the gulf in quality are talking out their hole. Tell that to Espanyol or Barcelona fans, or to Torino and Juventus fans, or to Sunderland and Newcastle fans for that matter.
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11-07-2018 09:24 AM #159
Been a quick year, and shows you just how quickly things can change in football
Scotland were within seconds of beating England just off a year ago. If it’s wasnt for Stuart Armstrong giving a stupid ball away, Southgate would have been getting pelters
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11-07-2018 09:25 AM #160This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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11-07-2018 09:50 AM #161
Scotland have been little better than a shambles for 25+ years.
We scrap to avoid humiliation against the true minnows of the world and convince ourselves that because we're a small country we deserve to be as crap as we are (whilst ignoring the achievements of similarly sized or smaller countries like Iceland, Uruguay and Croatia).
England are a massive country with loads of talented players and have pulled miles ahead of us. They deserve to be in the semi-final and are 2 games away from winning the World Cup.
One of the great pleasures of being a Scotsman is dragging England down to our level and scrapping with them at any sport. We might not win, but we have an appetite to go back for more, again and again and again and it is one of my favourite Scottish characteristics.
I love the nation England. I visit it frequently. I have a great number of English friends, up here and down South and people from the 2 countries tend to get on very well indeed with each other.
To a point, I quite like the hype when they are at a major tournament. There in an angle to the coverage that means that whether you like them or not, there is more of an interest there than when they are not there. I'm generally speaking ambivalent to their results throughout qualifying and in the early stages of tournaments, I don't get particularly upset when they win, I don't mind when they lose but the longer they stay in tournaments, the more interesting it generally is.
I hope they get pumped rotten tonight, and if not tonight then I hope they get pumped on Sunday. For any Scot who wants England to win the World Cup, fair enough that is your opinion. But I think that this is the most bizarre form of Stockholm syndrome ever and frankly, and Scot who wants them to actually win the tournament (and all that will go with that) wants their head examining.
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I follow Scotland away. Have done since I was roughly 16/17. None of my group wear a glengarry with a feather in it. Neither do about 80% of the travelling support. The wider Scotland support who travel away now has definately changed over the last 10 years or so, from the idea of getting away for a jolly to more real football supporters, who are genuinely gutted when we lose and desperate to qualify for a tournament. To generalise us all as you have done is utter pish. I spend a fortune following Scotland (on top of every Hibs game home and away) and why? I love football, I love Scotland, I love being away supporting my country. Added bonus is going to loads of countries I would otherwise never dream of going to. Like with Hibs, I’ve also made lots of friends following them as well.
See the years when we (Hibs) were constantly ***** and Hearts lording it over us, were we no longer their rivals?
England fans who follow England dislike us as much as we dislike them. Ever been to Wembley lately for a game v Them? We were treated to verbals etc. like every football fan is when you play a rival. Also pelted with bevvy and the rest at half time down the stairs. Both sides going at it. Giving it laldy to us in the pubs before and after. This was the same at the friendly down there before the qualifier. I’m sure it would be the same for them up here. Part and parcel of a football rivalry.
Also, they sing as much about us as we do about them, which isn’t actually very much. At games v eachother, yes, quite a bit. Against other teams, nah, except the old cheer up when either of us are getting beat or been beat.
The anyone but England is part of a football rivalry. Like ours with the ****bos. It’s intensified up here due to the media ramming everything down our throats. However, the mute button for the TV and not reading a national rag solves that issue. Not sure why it’s so hard for people to understand how a rivalry works. It will never go away.
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Crowing when they lose is a pitiful admission of how little we have to offer.
There is also the more sinister aspect of racist bullying that we need to guard against.
Sorry mate, the rivalry is dieing as more and more of us adopt the role of curious onlookers. Scotland is moving on.Last edited by Chic Murray; 11-07-2018 at 10:19 AM.
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11-07-2018 10:25 AM #167
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It's coming home
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"some hate the English. I don't. They're just ****ers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by ****ers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a ***** state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any ****ing difference."
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Lets just stick to the topic in hand and leave the personal stuff out. It would be ever so nice if you could.
Both posts meant pretty much the same thing.Last edited by Chic Murray; 11-07-2018 at 10:55 AM.
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Oh aye?
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Its ***** being Scottish
Now come on England
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