One of my all-time favourite football moments was in 1996 when the German fans (often derided by the English for their lack of sense of humour) sang "football's coming home" whilst winning Euro 96 in England.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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10-07-2018 10:41 PM #121
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10-07-2018 10:48 PM #122
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10-07-2018 10:53 PM #123This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Premiership's rise has probably diluted this to a lot of younger folk, but at the same time the OTT self promotion of English clubs and brands would only heighten the distaste to others.
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10-07-2018 10:55 PM #124This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
England will always be Scotland fan's rival.
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10-07-2018 10:55 PM #125
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10-07-2018 10:56 PM #126
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Scotland will always be England's rival
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10-07-2018 11:00 PM #127
The First ever International football match was Scotland v England on 30 November 1872 taking place in Partick.
For football to come home then I guess it’s heading To Partick.
J
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10-07-2018 11:08 PM #128madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Rivalry doesn’t have to be equal, there are plenty teams who are rivals that weren’t/aren’t equal powered clubs or nations. Man City were still a rival of Man Utd when they were pretty poor years back and not even in the same league...
Always like when people get lumped into a “collective” in order to define a negative characteristic - “delusion” and “huge chip on its collective shoulders”. Only chip on my shoulder is because people keep telling me I’ve got a chip on my shoulder...
I’m also picking up from how you have worded your piece that we should all have become Celtic and Rangers fans because logically they outgrew us? Supporting anybody but Celtic and Rangers is just petty and done in a “fleeting” getting back at Celtic and Rangers satisfaction way. Why do Scottish people need to support England in football? Why do English people need to support Scotland in football?
Rivalry in sport is just that, a rivalry. Most are borne out of location, nothing to do with rivals for trophies. You can have rivals in different leagues...
Thanks though, I better get back to the swathe now.
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10-07-2018 11:24 PM #129This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sad, but true.
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10-07-2018 11:33 PM #130This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's really the petty bitterness, and what I perceive as an underlying xenophobia from certain posters that grinds my gears.
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10-07-2018 11:39 PM #131This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
“Cheer up Gordon Strachan, Oh what can it be to fat Scottish ******* with a **** football team”.
Booing of Flower of Scotland (Obviously the favour gets returned with GSTQ).
Don’t be fooled, the true English football fans don’t like us.
J
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10-07-2018 11:45 PM #132This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Otherwise, they don't care.
England play Slovenia or Malta, we're all desperate for them to lose.
Scotland play them, no-one in England cares.
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10-07-2018 11:52 PM #133This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Errr, Scottish youths who I witnessed shouting out during a cinema showing of "Braveheart" "English Ba....rds, wait til we get you outside" to a couple of English students sitting behind them. The students sensibly left early.
Errr, My English wife who was verbally attacked and regularly bullied for being English by a Scottish female work colleague in a government Agency Office in Edinburgh. The matter led to formal disciplinary measures being taken against the offender for discrimination and racism.
Errr, your's truly for not having the same accent ( result of spending my childhood abroad) as a school bully, who called me "English Sc.m" as he laid into me in front of his jeering and cheering mates. I got the better of him, which was some consolation. The headmasters strap soon followed.
Attacking "The English" is widely accepted in social and work situations the length and breadth of Scotland. What a Scot might refer to as "friendly Banter" might be taken as "bullying" and "insulting" by the recipient. Only the recipient has the say in whether it is harmless or not. It is not for the perpetrator to call. Anglophobia is no different to homophobia. It took legislation to outlaw what was deemed so-called "banter" by homophobes.
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10-07-2018 11:59 PM #134This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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11-07-2018 12:14 AM #135madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This again goes back to rivalry, I’d become more indifferent to Hearts if I rarely saw their games and they weren’t in close proximity, that doesn’t mean rivalry doesn’t exist. That’d be an England perspective on it, our game is non-existent to many in England (indifference) but to some it is a nice gimmick, something to laugh at. Scotland’s perspective is more like Hearts being an inferior team to Hibs but Hibs TV being the only immediate coverage they could get of Scottish football. You can bet in the above examples the Hearts fan would view the rivalry bigger than the Hibs fan, if they see a rivalry in the first place.
Imagine Sportscene did the coverage of all major international competitions and that was broadcasted around the UK. Pretty sure there would be a change in mindsets across the land. Rivalry perspectives would change.
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11-07-2018 12:29 AM #136madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We all witness different things in our lives, doesn’t make it right and things need to be done but I take offence to what you’ve typed in response to your experiences, I supposedly deeply offend and bully people out of “friendly banter” that only “a Scot” would dish out.
World isn’t perfect, this is a football forum though and we seem to be getting on to topics about political correctness and social issues that are best campaigned for through groups etc. Let’s not suggest all Scottish people are nasty people who cannot distinguish between banter and bullying though.
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11-07-2018 01:54 AM #137This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Whatever I say against the xenophobes and racists in Scotland applies equally to the xenophobes and racists in England.
I do agree with you that the world indeed isn't perfect and this is a "football forum" thread, and not the place to discuss deep and divisive social issues.
Please don't take anything I have posted personally.
On that note I will bid you good night.Last edited by Hi Heid Yin; 11-07-2018 at 02:37 AM.
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11-07-2018 03:16 AM #138
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11-07-2018 04:58 AM #139This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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They don’t like us.
I’m talking real England fans. The fans who totally get why many Scots are ABE. They get the football rivalry. Not my bandwagon jumping wife, for example.
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11-07-2018 08:14 AM #141This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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11-07-2018 08:16 AM #142
So let me get this right. Hibs fans aren't allowed to want hearts to lose games and Scottish people aren't allowed to want England to lose because of stuff that happened over 30/40 years ago to certain posters families. Ok.
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11-07-2018 08:20 AM #143
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If you take the rivalry and pseudo tribalism out of football supporting , it will be a banal sport - I’m all for the “whataboutyou” banter. It’s part of the spark that makes football great - English fans are having a field day on social
Media just now - good luck to them
Hoping “itisnaecominghome” is trending tonight
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11-07-2018 08:30 AM #144This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteEvery gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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11-07-2018 08:38 AM #146
There’s a very good article on the BBC sport website highlighting the pain and joy of football which contains the following paragraph which takes me right back to that glorious day 2 years ago when SDG’s header hit the back of the net in injury time:
’You also know what football can do for you. It makes you leap around and grab your friends around the neck and roar at each other's faces from inches away. It makes you jump on the back of strangers. It makes you feel the same way at exactly the same time as millions of people you will never meet.’
Maybe not millions but certainly many thousands felt the same as me that day......
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11-07-2018 08:41 AM #147
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Well I'm firmly in the 'I want England to win' camp, and have been since the group matches. I'm watching the games with mainly English friends and it's been really good fun. I actually really like this squad, the inclusion of an Ashley Cole or a John Terry type would have changed my perceptions really. I'd like them to do it for my mates and I think they've been a good 'team'. I like that in a squad. As I've said before, I've absolutely had my ABE days but now? Due to a variety of political things, I'm actually enjoying not getting involved in a polarised and, at times quite parochial, debate on all things Scottish. Don't have a problem with others doing that, personally, I'm just sick of it.
It's important to my friends and therefore it's important to me. I'll even admit that I actually cheered on Hearts back in their 2013 League Cup challenge. I actually wanted them to win that game because my friend's Hearts supporting father came back from one early round and had a heart attack in the car and died. Seemed like a fitting way for him to be remembered.
England winning would make my mates happy and, in the absence of Scotland, I'll happily take that as a nice outcome for me.
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11-07-2018 08:43 AM #148
Most Scottish football fans have been subject to derision and experienced an overall contempt from English football fans (and media) when it comes to Scottish football and it's standard , despite most of them not having much ,if any, knowledge of the game up here.
It's hardly surprising that the same Scottish fans would would want to see the English national team lose.
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11-07-2018 08:45 AM #149
There does seem to be a lot of overstating how good they are here. “If we play like we did vs Sweden we will progress comfortably.” IMO if they play like they did against Sweden they’ll get humped. Croatia are actually equal to (or better than) England in overall squad quality, and they can’t simply rely on Pickford to make a string of wonder saves again.
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11-07-2018 08:55 AM #150
A friend of mines brother who is Northern Irish, but lived most of his life in Scotland has pretty much written where I would stand in all this in this blog on the subject debated on this thread.
http://bloodandporridge.co.uk/wp/?p=9092
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