England Semi

[Chic Murray]

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The amount of times I have heard this line from a fellow Scot.
If it were only true and actually confined to sport.
Unfortunately, the anti-English sentiment runs deeper and permeates every level of Scottish society outwith sport.

My thinking is mostly shaped by the fact there is no rivalry there anymore. It's like St. Bernard's fans getting chippy about Hibs - they can kid themselves all they want....

But, as I was reminded earlier,if Hearts were ever in a Dens Park situation, my sporting integrity would go out the window.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Tbh you have been overconfident of winning every tournament you have entered after 66 .
All this “it’s coming home pissss “ stinks of arrogance akin to how most Germans come across.
We the Scots first invented football 😜
Yes you have very good chance to get to the final , but let’s be honest, you have not beat a decent team yet .
Hibs /Scotland fans can win and lose with a bit class . The same cannot be said of England fans .

Bitter...... not much😂

[SirDavidsNapper]

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My thinking is mostly shaped by the fact there is no rivalry there anymore. It's like St. Bernard's fans getting chippy about Hibs.

But, as I was reminded earlier,if Hearts were ever in a Dens Park situation, my sporting integrity would go out the window.

Yup. Due to our own incompetence there isn't really a rivalry with England anymore (on their part). They are light years ahead of us and we latch on to them to keep ourselves relevant. Even still...Come on Croatia!

[AltheHibby]

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You're assuming the crowd funders are English - I reckon they are ex-pat Japanese, given their behaviour at the World Cup!

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According to the Sun (I know) the woman who jumped on an ambulance and damaged it is Scottish. Whatever she is, I hope she is hammered in court for it.

[Nameless]

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According to the Sun (I know) the woman who jumped on an ambulance and damaged it is Scottish. Whatever she is, I hope she is hammered in court for it.

I'll posit she's a Jambo....

You're right, nonsense like that is beyond the pail, and hopefully she's made an example of.

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[erin go bragh]

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Bitter...... not much😂

Bitter ,, not at all . If England was playing Hearts I’d be rooting for you 😂

[blackpoolhibs]

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My thinking is mostly shaped by the fact there is no rivalry there anymore. It's like St. Bernard's fans getting chippy about Hibs - they can kid themselves all they want....

But, as I was reminded earlier,if Hearts were ever in a Dens Park situation, my sporting integrity would go out the window.

There is no real rivalry with Celtic either, they have just won the treble for the 2nd year running. I want them pumped every week too.

[we are hibs]

Looked like there was a rivalry there last June when Griffiths scored those two goals and the scenes were incredible. Show me Southgate or the England fans celebrating a goal in the qualifiers like they did with Harry Kane equaliser. England fans constantly sing about Scotland at England matches not involving them. The head to head record is something like 49 wins for England and 41 for Scotland. I'm not getting where this rivalry isn't relevant anymore. It may not be as fierce but it's still there bubbling away.

[G B Young]

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My thinking is mostly shaped by the fact there is no rivalry there anymore. It's like St. Bernard's fans getting chippy about Hibs - they can kid themselves all they want....

But, as I was reminded earlier,if Hearts were ever in a Dens Park situation, my sporting integrity would go out the window.

Spot on. Scotland haven't been at a major tournament since the last century so it's not as though England's fortunes have any impact on our own. With Hibs and Hearts, on the other hand, it's a constant thing especially if you live and work in Edinburgh. You can't compare the two situations. Any Scots who still get in a genuine lather about England these days should learn to move on IMHO.

Tom English makes a reasonable stab at explaining why this England squad in particular are actually hard to dislike:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44783648

[Hi Heid Yin]

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Looked like there was a rivalry there last June when Griffiths scored those two goals and the scenes were incredible. Show me Southgate or the England fans celebrating a goal in the qualifiers like they did with Harry Kane equaliser. England fans constantly sing about Scotland at England matches not involving them. The head to head record is something like 49 wins for England and 41 for Scotland. I'm not getting where this rivalry isn't relevant anymore. It may not be as fierce but it's still there bubbling away.

It's only really a swathe of die-hard Scots (and an ever-decreasing bunch to boot), who still consider England as a rival.
The reality is that in 2018 England is a world-class footballing nation whilst Scotland jostles with dozens of other small nations of 5 million or less populations in the football pecking order.
Scottish football, for the first 75 years of the 20th century, enjoyed having a head start on similar sized football nations, and so enjoyed a more loftier status. Scottish fans never had it so good and had every right to refer to England as it's equal and rival. Eventually even the tiniest of footballing nations caught up and in many cases overtook Scotland. A different picture began to be painted - leading us to today, with Scotland sitting in the pecking order where one would logically expect them to be. England similarly are where one would logically expect them to sit in the pecking order - way ahead of Scotland.
Any sense of rivalry is now merely a "delusion" borne of a huge chip on its collective shoulders by a frustrated Scotland support - that would rather support anybody but England in order to enjoy a short-lived and fleeting "getting-back-at-England-somehow-sense-of-satisfaction".

[Hi Heid Yin]

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Spot on. Scotland haven't been at a major tournament since the last century so it's not as though England's fortunes have any impact on our own. With Hibs and Hearts, on the other hand, it's a constant thing especially if you live and work in Edinburgh. You can't compare the two situations. Any Scots who still get in a genuine lather about England these days should learn to move on IMHO.

Tom English makes a reasonable stab at explaining why this England squad in particular are actually hard to dislike:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44783648

[Bristolhibby]

Schadenfreude (pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune) pops up all over life though.

Especially in sports. What’s wrong with “getting-back-at-England-somehow-sense-of-satisfaction”?

It’s not like I hate the English. Just want our oldest rivals not to do well.

J

[guthrie01]

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It's only really a swathe of die-hard Scots (and an ever-decreasing bunch to boot), who still consider England as a rival.
The reality is that in 2018 England is a world-class footballing nation whilst Scotland jostles with dozens of other small nations of 5 million or less populations in the football pecking order.
Scottish football, for the first 75 years of the 20th century, enjoyed having a head start on similar sized football nations, and so enjoyed a more loftier status. Scottish fans never had it so good and had every right to refer to England as it's equal and rival. Eventually even the tiniest of footballing nations caught up and in many case overtook Scotland. A different picture began to be painted - leading us to today, with Scotland sitting in the pecking order where one would logically expect them to be. England similarly are where one would logically expect them to sit in the pecking order - way ahead of Scotland.
Any sense of rivalry is now merely a "delusion" borne of a huge chip on its collective shoulders by a frustrated Scotland support - that would rather support anybody but England in order to enjoy a short-lived and fleeting "getting-back-at-England-somehow-sense-of-satisfaction".

Or it could just be some football banter between 2 rivals...

[Hi Heid Yin]

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Schadenfreude (pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune) pops up all over life though.

Especially in sports. What’s wrong with “getting-back-at-England-somehow-sense-of-satisfaction”?

It’s not like I hate the English. Just want our oldest rivals not to do well.

J

Unfortunately, there is a swathe of Scots who actually do "Hate" the English...and not just the England football team.

[guthrie01]

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Unfortunately, there is a swathe of Scots who actually do "Hate" the English...and not just the England football team.

Do you have any proof, or are you just basing this on your own thoughts ?

[AltheHibby]

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Do you have any proof, or are you just basing this on your own thoughts ?

Read any political forum in the Scottish papers.

[Hibbyradge]

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Do you have any proof, or are you just basing this on your own thoughts ?

People saying that they can't wait to see English people crying does hint at that.

There have also been people admitting that the don't like the English.

[Ringothedog]

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Unfortunately, there is a swathe of Scots who actually do "Hate" the English...and not just the England football team.

Okay then

[Clarence]

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It's only really a swathe of die-hard Scots (and an ever-decreasing bunch to boot), who still consider England as a rival.
The reality is that in 2018 England is a world-class footballing nation whilst Scotland jostles with dozens of other small nations of 5 million or less populations in the football pecking order.
Scottish football, for the first 75 years of the 20th century, enjoyed having a head start on similar sized football nations, and so enjoyed a more loftier status. Scottish fans never had it so good and had every right to refer to England as it's equal and rival. Eventually even the tiniest of footballing nations caught up and in many cases overtook Scotland. A different picture began to be painted - leading us to today, with Scotland sitting in the pecking order where one would logically expect them to be. England similarly are where one would logically expect them to sit in the pecking order - way ahead of Scotland.
Any sense of rivalry is now merely a "delusion" borne of a huge chip on its collective shoulders by a frustrated Scotland support - that would rather support anybody but England in order to enjoy a short-lived and fleeting "getting-back-at-England-somehow-sense-of-satisfaction".

If ever there was proof of why Scots don’t support England, then this is it.

[marinello59]

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People saying that they can't wait to see English people crying does hint at that.

There have also been people admitting that the don't like the English.

My English born Dad spent most of his 81 years in Scotland but never lost his English accent. The anti-English stuff thrown his way was certainly real. It’s as bad now as it was when I had the misfortune to return to Scotland as a kid in the seventies with an English accent. Of course it’s just the media they hate.

[Ringothedog]

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People saying that they can't wait to see English people crying does hint at that.

There have also been people admitting that the don't like the English.

Dave, this is a rivalry thing, if England make it to the final I will head down to Telford for the final to watch it with my English family, but I will hope they get beat. I am passed hating the English but the tories on the other hand....

[Hibbyradge]

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If ever there was proof of why Scots don’t support England, then this is it.

There's lots of ways to prove that Scots don't support England.

What does that post prove?

[Hibbyradge]

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Dave, this is a rivalry thing, if England make it to the final I will head down to Telford for the final to watch it with my English family, but I will hope they get beat. I am passed hating the English but the tories on the other hand....

Yes, but you don't want to see your family crying, do you?

My wife is English and obviously her family is too. I'd rather England didn't win, but I'll try my best to comfort them if they lose. I won't enjoy their tears like others say they're looking forward to.

None of them expect England to win, I should add.

[guthrie01]

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Yes, but you don't want to see your family crying, do you?

My wife is English and obviously her family is too. I'd rather England didn't win, but I'll try my best to comfort them if they lose. I won't enjoy their tears like others say they're looking forward to.

None of them expect England to win, I should add.

A few idiots who enjoy the actual suffering of the English fans shouldn’t ruin a good football rivalry which is mostly good natured fun. I stand by my view that most Scottish people don’t hate the English

[Lago]

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My English born Dad spent most of his 81 years in Scotland but never lost his English accent. The anti-English stuff thrown his way was certainly real. It’s as bad now as it was when I had the misfortune to return to Scotland as a kid in the seventies with an English accent. Of course it’s just the media they hate.

Your Dad's experience is so similar to my late Father in Law. From County Durham he married my Scots Mother in Law & settled in Scotland after being freed from a German presoner of war camp.
He worked in the Lady Victoria pit until he was 60 then for 5 years at Edinburgh Uni as a security guard. Supported Hibs from the moment he watch the famous 5, thought Gordon Smith the finest footballer he had seen, never lost his gordie accent & was frequently called an English b....
He was the loveliest man you could wish to meet.
I too was born & lived abroad until 11years old, my accent has never been Scottish as I've been told quite forcibly on a number of occasions, but then it's just banter isn't.

[iwasthere1972]

Don't hate the English. Just the England football team. Brexit and It's coming home is doing my nut in.

[Clarence]

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There's lots of ways to prove that Scots don't support England.

What does that post prove?

Its content is full of a snide sentiment which is difficult to warm to. I don’t think that anyone is salivating over genuine suffering of people because they are English. I think most people see it as a game and a bit of fun.

[Hibbyradge]

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A few idiots who enjoy the actual suffering of the English fans shouldn’t ruin a good football rivalry which is mostly good natured fun. I stand by my view that most Scottish people don’t hate the English

Yes, I agree.

Most don't.

Some do.

[Pete]

“It’s coming home”

Used to describe football “coming home” to its inventors in 1996 when England hosted the European Championships.

What the **** are they talking about this time?

[Hibbyradge]

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“It’s coming home”

Used to describe football “coming home” to its inventors in 1996 when England hosted the European Championships.

What the **** are they talking about this time?

I think it's because football supposedly started in England.