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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    It will be the next stage smoking ban. Took us years to get the 1st one, now time to bring it to a conclusion
    Maybe just go the full hog and ban drinking as well, after all who wants to listen to some slaver who is full of the drink, only fair Billy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Only temporarily, once the smokers start dying out things will return to normal.
    In that case, shouldn't we be encouraging them to smoke more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY View Post
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    Don't think that there is common ground on this one. I grew up in a smoking family and the smell of stale smoke is always disgusting IMO. That said, I would not dream of ever telling someone that they can't. I like the odd pint and dram now and again and if I was told to stop that, the reply would be GTF.
    Does beer and whisky cause a disgusting smell to linger in your house for months/years though? No, which is precisely the point here surely.

    I don't think landlords are telling people not to smoke because they give two monkeys about the person's health, it is because they don't want their property tarnished by odour and discolouration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhibee View Post
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    Maybe just go the full hog and ban drinking as well, after all who wants to listen to some slaver who is full of the drink, only fair Billy.
    Fair point, but slavering doesn’t affect other people’s health

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    Fair point, but slavering doesn’t affect other people’s health
    Neither does smoking. Alcohol effects other people's health in many ways, just go up A&E about 2 am tomorrow to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Neither does smoking. Alcohol effects other people's health in many ways, just go up A&E about 2 am tomorrow to see.
    Yes, smoking does effect other people’s health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Neither does smoking. Alcohol effects other people's health in many ways, just go up A&E about 2 am tomorrow to see.
    Smoking does affect other people’s health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    Smoking does affect other people’s health.
    In an open space? Does it cause admissions for falls, stabbings, Road traffic accidents, wife beating?

    Need to be consistent and focussed on harm reduction if we are concerned with health.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...a=gdpr-consent

    http://www.ias.org.uk/uploads/pdf/IA...rp18072015.pdf

    By all means use social exclusion to get people to stop smoking, but let's not overplay the effect it has on others, particularly when there are much bigger dangers to their Health around, such as traffic pollution.

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    Find it funny that people mention Lloyds at Omni as a no smoking outside area where people can sit and inhale vehicle emissions while complaining about somebody smoking 30 feet away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post
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    Find it funny that people mention Lloyds at Omni as a no smoking outside area where people can sit and inhale vehicle emissions while complaining about somebody smoking 30 feet away.
    People smoking smell absolutely disgusting though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    People smoking smell absolutely disgusting though.
    So do Brussels Sprouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    So do Brussels Sprouts.
    Never seen a Brussels Sprout smoking a fag in my life

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    Never seen a Brussels Sprout smoking a fag in my life
    They fart though, at least that's how they Snell to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    In an open space? Does it cause admissions for falls, stabbings, Road traffic accidents, wife beating?

    Need to be consistent and focussed on harm reduction if we are concerned with health.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...a=gdpr-consent

    http://www.ias.org.uk/uploads/pdf/IA...rp18072015.pdf

    By all means use social exclusion to get people to stop smoking, but let's not overplay the effect it has on others, particularly when there are much bigger dangers to their Health around, such as traffic pollution.
    Was waking to my car in the Gyle shopping centre car park at lunch time
    Woman pushing her trolley, smoking and blowing the smoke all around, and into my air space
    About time it was banned in public

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    Was waking to my car in the Gyle shopping centre car park at lunch time
    Woman pushing her trolley, smoking and blowing the smoke all around, and into my air space
    About time it was banned in public
    Was on a bus yesterday and a fat person sat next to me and took plenty of my personal space.

    About time fat folk were banned in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Was on a bus yesterday and a fat person sat next to me and took plenty of my personal space.

    About time fat folk were banned in public.
    You were lucky, I was sat next to one on a long haul flight once,,,, they've banned smoking on flights,,,, only a matter of time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Was on a bus yesterday and a fat person sat next to me and took plenty of my personal space.

    About time fat folk were banned in public.
    Did he stink of fags though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    Did he stink of fags though?
    Why the gender assumption? Woman have the right to be fat now as well you know 🤪

    I actually wasn’t on a bus yesterday (hate the things and avoid them if at all possible), my comment was a poor attempt at humour and wondering where banning things that occasionally impinge on folk might stop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Neither does smoking.
    I give you Roy Castle, never smoked in his life, died of Lung Cancer at 62 because he worked in smoke filled clubs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    Was waking to my car in the Gyle shopping centre car park at lunch time
    Woman pushing her trolley, smoking and blowing the smoke all around, and into my air space
    About time it was banned in public
    Your air space? You own air space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I give you Roy Castle, never smoked in his life, died of Lung Cancer at 62 because he worked in smoke filled clubs
    Source, Roy Castle. How many other people didn't in the same circumstances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Source, Roy Castle. How many other people didn't in the same circumstances?
    What planet are you on?

    It's well documented that Roy Castle died as a result of passive smoking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    What planet are you on?

    It's well documented that Roy Castle died as a result of passive smoking.


    Not looking for trouble, but in the spirit of the discussion, can I just say that all that is known is that Roy Castle was a non smoker who died of lung cancer. It is possible it was contracted by playing in smoke clubs, but can never be proved.

    Roy made great play of that being the definitive source when he was still alive, but that doesn't make it right. That's why I say "source, Roy Castle", there was no scientific basis to his claim. We'd be as well citing all the non smokers who worked in smokey offices, or pubs, who didn't develop lung cancer.

    Puts me in mind of the number of people who didn't vaccinate their children after the scare about the MMR causing autism in kids. The sample size of that survey was something like 15. Just because it's in print, doesn't make it true.

    If we are going to be objective, we can say that evidence that inhaling second hand smoke causes cancer has been disputed. That would extend even further to second hand smoke outside of enclosed spaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Not looking for trouble, but in the spirit of the discussion, can I just say that all that is known is that Roy Castle was a non smoker who died of lung cancer. It is possible it was contracted by playing in smoke clubs, but can never be proved.

    Roy made great play of that being the definitive source when he was still alive, but that doesn't make it right. That's why I say "source, Roy Castle", there was no scientific basis to his claim. We'd be as well citing all the non smokers who worked in smokey offices, or pubs, who didn't develop lung cancer.

    Puts me in mind of the number of people who didn't vaccinate their children after the scare about the MMR causing autism in kids. The sample size of that survey was something like 15. Just because it's in print, doesn't make it true.

    If we are going to be objective, we can say that evidence that inhaling second hand smoke causes cancer has been disputed. That would extend even further to second hand smoke outside of enclosed spaces.
    Cancer research says otherwise


    https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/passive-smoking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Opinion is divided, and as I say, if it's in print, it's not necessarily true.

    I wouldn't dream of telling someone that this is indisputable proof of it not causing cancer.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielf.../#323b82d865d4

    Also, how is second hand smoking defined. Is it daily exposure over a prolonged period, or merely exposure at some point in time.

    I find it hard to believe that "any" exposure to second hand smoke is dangerous to health (US Surgeon General), any more than exposure to solvents or car exhaust on a casual basis. Yet health policy is formed on this flimsy evidence.

    Read the evidence and form your own opinions. Roy Castle developed lung cancer although he never smoked.

    Other non smokers develop it too, and never played trumpet in smokey clubs.

    I'm out.
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    10 years and 4 months without a fag has been a pleasure, i absolutely detest walking anywhere and getting a whiff of cigarette smoke, i only have to paint in the house every 3 or 4 years now and no yellow on my car upholstery, my clothes must have stunk having fag doubts lying in various jacket pockets i only wish the information now available about smoking was available 40+ years ago, your Lungs are your body air filters(and so much more)...STOP clogging them up people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Opinion is divided, and as I say, if it's in print, it's not necessarily true.

    I wouldn't dream of telling someone that this is indisputable proof of it not causing cancer.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielf.../#323b82d865d4

    Also, how is second hand smoking defined. Is it daily exposure over a prolonged period, or merely exposure at some point in time.

    I find it hard to believe that "any" exposure to second hand smoke is dangerous to health (US Surgeon General), any more than exposure to solvents or car exhaust on a casual basis. Yet health policy is formed on this flimsy evidence.

    Read the evidence and form your own opinions. Roy Castle developed lung cancer although he never smoked.

    Other non smokers develop it too, and never played trumpet in smokey clubs.

    I'm out.
    Some good points here, made me pause for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post
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    Find it funny that people mention Lloyds at Omni as a no smoking outside area where people can sit and inhale vehicle emissions while complaining about somebody smoking 30 feet away.
    I was simply providing an example of an outdoor drink area with an area set aside for non-smokers. (I couldnae give a dugs dangler if someone sat next to me outside and started to smoke, it wouldnae bother me if they never asked first either).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY View Post
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    I was simply providing an example of an outdoor drink area with an area set aside for non-smokers. (I couldnae give a dugs dangler if someone sat next to me outside and started to smoke, it wouldnae bother me if they never asked first either).
    Likewise. The thread title asks if this is a slippery slope. On the evidence of the discussion that followed, I'd have to conclude "yes".

    If people want to ban smoking because it offends their morality, or because of the smell, fine. Just don't turn around and say it is based on any other evidence.

    However, as these latest initiatives go beyond what was ever intended by the original legislation - protecting people from second hand smoke, people have to look at what other of their liberties can be taken away? Some of the examples here have been flippant, others less so.

    We are already seeing our right to use cars being brought into question, on the back of equally dodgy and subjective evidence. Yeah, 20 mph outside a school, or in a residential area should be justifiable, but at 2 am in the morning?

    My question on the second hand smoke is this. If it is so dangerous, and we have known about as long as is claimed, why was it not banned outdoors at the same time as indoors?

    In summary, we are at the mercy of whichever vested interest holds control of our politicians, due to the inability or unwillingness of people to look beyond the headlines, use critical thinking and take an active part in decision making.

    Be be careful what you wish for folks. If you think it's OK to pick on one group, because your not part of it, then accept that one day the group you are in might be the one picked on.

    As I said, ban it outdoors, but be honest enough to say why.

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    I have never smoked but I did not mind smokers in pubs but strangely I detest smoking in out door

    seating areas when eating. I feel sorry for smokers because I think the time will come when this will be banned too, outside.


    I know it will never happen but a pub could be all smoking or none at all. Let the customer choose. Just a thought....

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