The Players

[B.H.F.C]

Got one manger sacked.

Going to get another one the sack.

The way they capitulate when something goes against us is horrible.

Talk of Newell and JDH being ‘top’ midfielders is surely put to bed?

Every single player went missing today and for all the criticism that Maloney (and Ross before him have had) they have been consistently terrible.

[Northernhibee]

Maloney will be responsible for getting Maloney sacked.

He’s clearly asking players to do things they can’t do and he’s either too stubborn or too stupid to change it.

[Nicho87]

The constant handing out of contracts to players not deserving is a club problem

JDH
Newell
Campbell
Doidge
McGregor
Gray

Based on what form I don’t know

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell is a quality player. We're in bad form but that doesn't make everyone hopeless.

[Stubbsy90+2]

Our squad is terrible.

Unless we’re getting a manager in that’s way above our level then the next man will have the same issues. 10-15 of this squad are bottom six standard at best. A good few of them are a lot worse than that.

[B.H.F.C]

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The constant handing out of contracts to players not deserving is a club problem

JDH
Newell
Campbell
Doidge
McGregor
Gray

Based on what form I don’t know

Totally agree.

[SeanWilson]

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Newell is a quality player. We're in bad form but that doesn't make everyone hopeless.

Newell is a charlatan. He’d not even make the yams bench.

[The Modfather]

It’s actually quicker to list what we’ve got to work with. A defence of Macey, Doig, Hanlon, Porteous & Clarke is a solid enough starting point. Everything in front of that needs a root and branch clear out to varying degrees.

Give Melkerson a partner, sign a functioning midfield as a priority and buy 2 wingbacks that can actually create if we want to play with wingbacks as our sole width.

Too many players are better on paper than reality. Doidge, Newell, Nisbet, JDH, Cadden.

Too many are either lightweight or only ever show the odd glimpse; Henderson, Jasper, Mueller.

Then there’s those that are not doing much more than blocking the pathway of a talented U18 team: Scott, Wright, Campbell & Allan.

Maloney is making a poor fist of the job so far and will do well to survive until the summer. However he inherited a bad hand from Ross. What we’re seeing is the reality of a Martin Boyle-less Hibs.

I think it’s telling that our best player and someone we’re all pining for is a guy who has had a string of single digit games at the start of this season where he was good from the 2 years he’s been here.

[Callum_62]

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Newell is a charlatan. He’d not even make the yams bench.

Sure he wouldn't

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[B.H.F.C]

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Sure he wouldn't

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How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.

[kaimendhibs]

Newell is a very good player surrounded by keek

[Stubbsy90+2]

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How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.

I think Newell is decent. No more than that though.

He wouldn’t be a guaranteed starter for Hearts, that’s for sure.

[Callum_62]

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How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.

MoM at Easter Road the last game IMO

Hes far and away our best midfielder and one of the few that shows any composure

We have defintely beaten hearts since Newell joined - tynecastle 2019 for sure

I'm not sure either way how that proves he wouldn't even get in the hearts squad,. Which imo is pretty ludicrous



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[delbert]

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The constant handing out of contracts to players not deserving is a club problem

JDH
Newell
Campbell
Doidge
McGregor
Gray

Based on what form I don’t know

You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

[mokie]

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Got one manger sacked.

Going to get another one the sack.

The way they capitulate when something goes against us is horrible.

Talk of Newell and JDH being ‘top’ midfielders is surely put to bed?

Every single player went missing today and for all the criticism that Maloney (and Ross before him have had) they have been consistently terrible.

Paul Hanlon has had a lot of managers sacked.

[davym7062]

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You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

totally agree, weak a s a kitten

[B.H.F.C]

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MoM at Easter Road the last game IMO

Hes far and away our best midfielder and one of the few that shows any composure

We have defintely beaten hearts since Newell joined - tynecastle 2019 for sure

I'm not sure either way how that proves he wouldn't even get in the hearts squad,. Which imo is pretty ludicrous



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Fantastic, we’ll always have that 0-0 draw where he played well for an hour.

I agree he’s our best midfielder, which is kind of the point of the thread. Totally disappeared today when something went against us.

[Callum_62]

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Fantastic, we’ll always have that 0-0 draw where he played well for an hour.

I agree he’s our best midfielder, which is kind of the point of the thread. Totally disappeared today when something went against us.

Il give you that hearts dominated but football doenst work like that

They dominated so player x must be pish

We need to find a better balance in midfield but Newell is a piece of the jigsaw I wouldn't be changing



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[B.H.F.C]

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Il give you that hearts dominated but football doenst work like that

They dominated so player x must be pish

We need to find a better balance in midfield but Newell is a piece of the jigsaw I wouldn't be changing



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Another game where someone is pish but it’s not their fault.

It’s not about x being pish. We’ve struggled in that area of the pitch all season.

Wasn’t intended a a Newell bashing thread but I just don’t see this quality player that others do.

Manager(s) get a lot of criticism but it’s two terrible league seasons out of three since Ron came in, despite all the chat from him. Saying the same things today as we were just over two years ago, against the same opponents.

[the_ginger_hibee]

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You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

Ah but he's a nice guy and has been here for ages. That automatically means he's a good player. Things like form, relegations, week in week out mistakes mean nothing. This guy is Hibs through and through. What more do you need?

[Callum_62]

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Another game where someone is pish but it’s not their fault.

It’s not about x being pish. We’ve struggled in that area of the pitch all season.

Wasn’t intended a a Newell bashing thread but I just don’t see this quality player that others do.

Manager(s) get a lot of criticism but it’s two terrible league seasons out of three since Ron came in, despite all the chat from him. Saying the same things today as we were just over two years ago, against the same opponents.

Someone can be pish in a game, doenst make them a bad player

Newell certainly isn't a bad player

On Ron - Historically he isn't doing as bad as seems really



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[MWHIBBIES]

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How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.

Except that game he won, he has no wins. Played well in the last Derby. Won a penalty in last year's semi.

Quality player. Boring scapegoat. 2/10. Try harder.

[B.H.F.C]

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Except that game he won, he has no wins. Played well in the last Derby. Won a penalty in last year's semi.

Quality player. Boring scapegoat. 2/10. Try harder.

You relentlessly bang on about players being ‘quality’.

All these quality players in a terrible team.

Also not scapegoating anyone. There wasn’t a Hibs player on that pitch who would get in to that Hearts team yesterday and they capitulate at the first sign of trouble.

[B.H.F.C]

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Someone can be pish in a game, doenst make them a bad player

Newell certainly isn't a bad player

On Ron - Historically he isn't doing as bad as seems really



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Two bottom half finishes out of three league campaigns and a fan base that is losing interest rapidly. Good for you if you think he’s doing well.

[loanheadhibby]

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Newell is a quality player. We're in bad form but that doesn't make everyone hopeless.

If you think Newell is a quality player, I think that reflects on your ability to judge a footballer. If he’s quality, how come we’re bottom 6? His quality should be pulling us thru games.

You see the positives in Hibs which is great, but surely you have to acknowledge we need better than Newell?

[loanheadhibby]

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You relentlessly bang on about players being ‘quality’.

All these quality players in a terrible team.

Also not scapegoating anyone. There wasn’t a Hibs player on that pitch who would get in to that Hearts team yesterday and they capitulate at the first sign of trouble.

Sadly agree with everything you say. When Andy Halliday is rag dolling our midfield, you know you’re in big trouble.

There is and always has been a softness in our club when the going gets tough.

[Pretty Boy]

Newell is a good player, I can be a critic of him but with the right players around him he will be just fine. The issue is he is playing alongside Dylan McGeouch if you order him from Wish and A N Other every week. He'd almost be as well playing alone.

What I found baffling yesterday was for 15 minutes we were in Hearts faces, pressing the ball and they did not like it one bit. Their players were nervy on the ball and the fans were starting to turn. And of course that had us 1 up. Then we started sitting off them, they started finding time on the ball and they cut us open with relative ease on 5 or 6 ocassions. I'm not sure if it was under instruction or a natural reaction to defending a lead but the complete lack of energy, particularly after they equalised, was frightening.

[Callum_62]

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Two bottom half finishes out of three league campaigns and a fan base that is losing interest rapidly. Good for you if you think he’s doing well.

It didn't say he was doing well

He is not doing as badly as you would think based on our actual historic league finishes

Obviously we want better (when have we not) but we are currntly being hibs of the last 2 decades

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[Key West]

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Our squad is terrible.

Unless we’re getting a manager in that’s way above our level then the next man will have the same issues. 10-15 of this squad are bottom six standard at best. A good few of them are a lot worse than that.

And the rest of the teams have fantastic squads with no weaknesses?

[B.H.F.C]

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It didn't say he was doing well

He is not doing as badly as you would think based on our actual historic league finishes

Obviously we want better (when have we not) but we are currntly being hibs of the last 2 decades

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We’ve failed to meet the main, publicly stated objective two years out of three.

Anyway, there’s other threads about Ron, Ben and so on.

The main point I was trying to make with this one is that for all the stick aimed elsewhere, a lot of our players just aren’t very good.