Agreed, lets keep this considerate! The thing is we all are pushing for the same thing, we want to see better football on the park and ultimately European adventures etc. whether we are buying STs (single or multiple for families), buying tons of merchandise, travelling to away games, we are all striving for the same thing. I cannot make away games, that possibly gives me more justification to give towards HSL. Maybe it doesn't, maybe I have other reasons, maybe I don't have any concrete reasons but feel compelled/inspired by the idea. People overseas may think their subscription to Hibs TV is all they are willing to spend on Hibs, that's fine.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It is personal choices here, what gets me is the voracity at which we look to get one over on other fans or to prove our worth as fans. I still cannot fathom why fans would come on this thread to say why they cannot afford to give to HSL, we needn't know these personal details and how much you've spent, almost to the penny. HSL is asking for those who can give, they have been clear on that statement since the very beginning. Give if you can, I think we can already see the affect the donations have had on our club, the standard of player is much higher than in recent times (we had a better squad in the Championship than the 4 years leading up to our relegation for Christ's sake!).
We are not blessed like English clubs so I also do not understand the multi-million pound business perspective, football clubs in Scotland outside of Celtic are reliant massively on their fans, there is no £40million pound parachute payment should you get relegated, there isn't a £100million pound TV fee for each of the top league teams. That isn't there, if we don't buy STs, go to the games, get the merchandise, give to HSL etc. then Hibs will find a level that suits that income (less income from fans = less expenditure on everything [including players!]). What concerns me is fans that could comfortably give to HSL but don't, that isn't because they should (again that is their choice) but as is evident on these forums and at the matches, we, as fans, can be the first to berate the standard of play and the players - it'd be annoying if you could make a small difference, chose not to and then complained wildly at the games as the standard of product diminishes! Almost a double whammy as these fans will also damage the match day experience for everyone else!
I hope HSL reaches the stage where we have a chance to elect someone on to the Hibs board, that would secure our club to an extent. As it currently stands, as far as I know, we would collectively (and individually) have zero say should the club be sold etc. The club doesn't exist without the fans but as we've seen clubs can change drastically without fan input/direction, we've also seen new ownership drive clubs to the brink of extinction.
We really need to be a bit more positive as a fan base (that goes for me too), we always seem to default back to negatives and get in to "uber" fan one-upmanship BS. Give money to HSL if you want to and can afford to, never been any different. If you can't, don't feel the need to justify it, it's life - I had a poster when I was a kid that described what happens regularly in life, it put it rather eloquently with a four letter word.
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06-06-2018 07:29 PM #121madhatterLeft by mutual consent!
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06-06-2018 08:18 PM #122This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
On behalf of everyone at HSL can we express our sincere thanks to A Hi-Bee for his/her suggested Thread.
In the last few hours since posting it we have attracted 16 new donators. Most at £10 pm month, two at £18.75 pm , one at £30pm and a lump sum donation. As you will see from that thread it has provoked much debate which is brilliant. Such debates allow more clarity to be brought out into the open. It helps show what HSL is about and indeed what it isn't about.
We will try to respond to as many of the points raised in this lively thread.
Once again, thank you.
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06-06-2018 08:20 PM #123
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Maybe HSL can confirm
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06-06-2018 08:21 PM #124This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-06-2018 08:36 PM #126This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As you may have noted, the thread was actually suggested by one of our Members who felt that some of our earlier communications were perhaps not clear enough. We invited suggestions therefore did not feel it right to tamper with it. We can assure you that we never intentionally try to encourage supporters to donate to HSL by any disreputable means and there was no intention to cause any supporter to feel guilty for not donating to HSL. As we have said on many occasions, the great thing about HSL is that it is voluntary. We do not want anyone contributing if they can't afford to donate or indeed if it simply is not their choice to do so.
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06-06-2018 08:40 PM #127This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-06-2018 08:45 PM #128This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I have a feeling you might have been my old English Teacher. I have cold sweats just thinking about that.
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06-06-2018 08:50 PM #129This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Welcome aboard. Rest assured your contribution is every bit as valuable as all our other donators. As we have said before, the FOH are not contributing the amount they are because of a few wealthy supporters, it's because they have a lot of supporters donating moderate amounts.
Once again, thank you.
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06-06-2018 08:54 PM #130
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HSL has said it's not an investment - don't expect a return. But thanks for clarifying its optional. I've made it clear I'll not take up my option.
And just for clarity on on your other points, if I buy a shirt, I get a shirt. If I buy a season ticket, I get to watch games at Easter rd. If I spend £20 a month on this, I don't see my £240 buying much at the end of a year.
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06-06-2018 09:02 PM #131This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We take your point and do try our best not to come on too often. It's a difficult balancing act as we often get complaints about not communicating enough. We have :
- distributed 20000 leaflets at Easter Road
- had pop up stands in each of the Stands at Easter Road
- visits to Supporters Clubs and Supporters Association
- the Club recently distributed a letter for us to 30000 on the Club database
- we recently did presentations in the Hospitality areas at Easter Road.
- issued videos via You Tube
We are trying hard not to pester but at the same time trying to keep reminding everyone of the opportunity that HSL gives us.
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06-06-2018 09:03 PM #132This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fair enough.
But HSL does offer something tangible in return - collectively it is buying a stake in our club.
It’s not the fabled Romanov ‘share issue’!
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06-06-2018 09:14 PM #133This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We fully intend to do this next Season. We have done this in the past, with little success. Anecdotal feedback suggested that supporters didn't like discussing such matters on match day. Having said this we sense that there is a much greater interest in HSL now. It would seem that supporters are looking at the product on the park and realising that HSL donations have had something to do with the better players we have seen of late. Of course, we are not pretending to take all the credit but the reality is money can and does make a difference in the right hands, and we seem to have the right hands at present. We will be seeking volunteers.
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06-06-2018 09:19 PM #134madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If you buy a shirt, you get a shirt. That is true. What is also true is the more people we have donating the higher chance you'll have a better name to get printed on the shirt (player name I'm meaning). If you are looking for some kind of profit, product or substantial benefit out of HSL then it isn't for you and it wouldn't make sense anyway - HSL is there to help with funds for playing budget. If it were there to give some sort of direct payback to donators then it would essentially be pointless. People paying into a pot for us all to want the same or more back out, really doesn't make sense.
If you don't want to do it then don't.
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06-06-2018 09:20 PM #135
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I, like many others, haven't joined HSL because I don't think 'fan ownership', particularly in the club membership style model of HSL, is the shining beacon that it is promoted as. I buy my season ticket, which contributes to the player budget, but I'm not going to subscribe to pay extra into a scheme I actively disagree with.
I've got no issue at all with people with opposing views who do subscribe to and support HSL, but respect is a two way street and suggesting that the only reasons for not joining HSL are either insufficient funds or insufficient knowledge is insulting.
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06-06-2018 09:28 PM #136This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If you spend £20 a month on HSL then you stand a better chance of your aforementioned season ticket being better value for money due to the club being able to buy better players.
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06-06-2018 09:35 PM #138madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Mutual respect is key though. As always it is optional and whether you donate or not, we are equal fans. It is a choice, and as you say it is not entirely down to money or understanding. Its like charity to an extent, some you believe in more than others so give. Some you don't like as much even after having all the details so don't donate.
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06-06-2018 09:49 PM #139This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Once again we try and make a big "thing" out of nothing ive got a season ticket too but i dont think i will miss £10 a month to my football team.
If it makes a difference to the quality of player being brought in to Easter Road then i will do without something that £10 was earmarked for.
As this poster says its purely a personal thing and if i can afford it i will try and do it... MY personal choice.
I realise others may not be in the same position and i respect that so my season ticket, my HSL contribution and retail shopping all go back to my club... MY personal choice.
No fuss no arguing, if my £10 goes towards keeping McGeough at Easter Road then so be it!
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06-06-2018 10:09 PM #142
I've been meaning to for ages and I have finally set up my direct debit! It's a great scheme and clearly something that will help us get an extra edge on playing budget. FOH across the city have worked wonders for them (well, in terms of donations etc) and Aberdeen have private investment that we can't match, so any scheme that brings us on a par with them is excellent.
I have been critical of HSL in the past for not trying to ram the point home but this thread seems to have made a difference 👍
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06-06-2018 10:10 PM #143This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Maybe some player interviews, the odd prize or whatever. Just an idea.
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Hibs could do so much more media wise. I know Hibs tv is another revenue stream but you have to invest in content
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07-06-2018 07:39 AM #147
What do those who are actively trying to discourage contributions make of the news that Rangers look likely to nip in and get Brandon Barker ahead of us?
Mine had lapsed but I'll be signing up again later today.
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07-06-2018 08:11 AM #148
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You are so right Mikey we need as many as possible backing this initative to take the club to the next level
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07-06-2018 08:16 AM #149This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
A few extra folk chipping in a tenner a month isn’t gonna make a much of a difference in Barker deciding where to go!
Barker to Rangers has been doing the rounds for a few months, I posted a while back about it. Alan Preston is his agent and is trying to get the deal done. It sucks.
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07-06-2018 08:19 AM #150
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We know HC has a tendency to be short and negative in a lot of his posts, but I’m confident his intentions weren’t as above.
I also so think some are confusing criticism of positioning, pitching and marketing (which is important) as people being easily offended or “delicate souls”.Last edited by WeeRussell; 07-06-2018 at 11:48 AM.
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