Europa

**Johnny Clash** · 28-05-2018 07:53 AM

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Another trip to Christiania anyone?

... and then The Dubliner!

A return to Copenhagen would be awesome!

**Sammy7nil** · 28-05-2018 08:27 AM

I don't want to be a Killjoy either but we would struggle against 75% of those teams and be second favs against 90% of them. So just bring on anyone and let's see what happens.

**HibbyAl** · 28-05-2018 08:37 AM

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... and then The Dubliner!

A return to Copenhagen would be awesome!

Would prefer somewhere we've not been before (and somewhere cheaper)!

***hibbie02*** · 28-05-2018 08:44 AM

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I'm praying we get a team that's fairly accessible. Would love the chance to see Hibs away in Europe

I had a ticket for the away leg against AEK..... unfortunately I couldn't get to go. What are the chances of us still being in Europe in September nowadays?

**superbam** · 28-05-2018 08:58 AM

Dont fancy Dundalk, who are strong again this year, or in fact any team that is already well in to their competitive season.

***Billy Whizz*** · 28-05-2018 09:08 AM

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Dont fancy Dundalk, who are strong again this year, or in fact any team that is already well in to their competitive season.

I’d take them if we got through our 1st round though!

***Mr White*** · 28-05-2018 10:49 AM

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I’d take them if we got through our 1st round though!

Indeed, they're a decent side but not as strong as a lot of the other teams that'll be in the second round draw. It wouldn't be an easy tie by any means but I think we'd beat them. Although Stephen Kenny has had a few decent results against us tbf.

Hopefully we make it to the second round.

**Ozyhibby** · 28-05-2018 10:53 AM

Thankfully the manager has more ambition than some on here.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...mpression=true

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***Billy Whizz*** · 28-05-2018 10:54 AM

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Thankfully the manager has more ambition than some on here.
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Are you having a go at me🤣

**Ozyhibby** · 28-05-2018 11:26 AM

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Are you having a go at me🤣

Not at all.

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**B.H.F.C** · 28-05-2018 11:27 AM

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Thankfully the manager has more ambition than some on here.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...mpression=true

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Yep that’s what I want to hear. We’d obviously need to get a bit of luck with the draw but it’s not unthinkable to reach the group stages.

Also encouraging that he mentions he’s hopeful of having his main business done by the time they are back for pre season.

**HibeeHibernian4** · 28-05-2018 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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Is this round not partially regionalised?

It is, we are very likely to get a team from 'Northern' Europe (a British side, Baltic states, Scandinavia) unless we are placed in one of the overlapping groups in the draw, in which case it could be a team from anywhere.

***AgentDaleCooper*** · 28-05-2018 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Easter Rising

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Dundalk please

i second this

***Billy Whizz*** · 28-05-2018 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75

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It is, we are very likely to get a team from 'Northern' Europe (a British side, Baltic states, Scandinavia) unless we are placed in one of the overlapping groups in the draw, in which case it could be a team from anywhere.

Come on Ozy, let’s Regionalise our likely 1st opponents😎

**KWJ** · 28-05-2018 12:25 PM

One thing that's a bit of a bugger about the seedings is that a team like Burnley who have not been in Europe in my lifetime are automatically given a high seeding purely because of where they are from while teams that maybe get through a couple of ties each year would still be behind them in the seedings without having a decent crack at getting to the groups.

It's meant to be about the teams here yet Celtic have a couple of decent years then have to play another tie because the Scottish coefficient on a whole has dropped. I guess this is partly as their last 16 year will be dropping off too though.

Aye, don't mean to be pro Celtic but the seedings can be a bugger.

Easiest possible ties please and preferably against other teams in their pre season. We might not make the Group Stage this year but let's boost our co-efficient to help the cause in the coming seasons. With a Europa expansion and more money ploughed in it could be the perfect timing. Lennon, Dempster and Craig will know this and any whisper to the Tache and he'll be holding a 3 season stiffy.

***SteveHFC*** · 28-05-2018 12:34 PM

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Me too mate, the dilemma I have is if we draw an Irish team for example in round #1 but draw a Dutch, German or French team in round #2 do I hold off hoping Hibs get through, I would much rather go to the continent than Ireland.

I’m the same mate. If we get a decent tie in second round I would much rather hold off and keep my cash for that round.

**HibeeHibernian4** · 28-05-2018 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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Come on Ozy, let’s Regionalise our likely 1st opponents��

If I had to split them up and had nothing better to do at work on a Monday afternoon

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Likely:
Levadia Tallin
Stjarnan
Cliftonville
FK Trakai
IBV
FK Liepaja
B36 Torshavn
Ilves Tampere
KuPS
FC Lahti
Derry City
Shamrock Rovers
Riga FC
Trans Narva
Stumbras
Bala Town
Glenavon
Coleraine
Connah's Quay
NSI Runavik

Fairly possible:
FC Vaduz
Birkirkara
Europa FC
Folgore
Balzan
Gzira United
Progrès Niederkorn
Racing Union

Unlikely:
Ferencvaros
DAC Dunajska Streda
Buducnost Podgorica
Siroki Brijeg
Partizani Tirana
Luftetari Gjirokaster
FK Laci
Ujpest
FK Shkupi
Undecided Montenegrin Team
Either a Slovakian or Hungarian Team

Really unlikely:
Milsami Orhei
Pyunik Yerevan
Chikhura Sachkhere
Zaria Balti
Petrocub Hincesti
Samtredia
Gandzasar Kapan
Banants Yerevan

***Billy Whizz*** · 28-05-2018 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75

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If I had to split them up and had nothing better to do at work on a Monday afternoon

:

Likely:
Levadia Tallin
Stjarnan
Cliftonville
FK Trakai
IBV
FK Liepaja
B36 Torshavn
Ilves Tampere
KuPS
FC Lahti
Derry City
Shamrock Rovers
Riga FC
Trans Narva
Stumbras
Bala Town
Glenavon
Coleraine
Connah's Quay
NSI Runavik

Fairly possible:
FC Vaduz
Birkirkara
Europa FC
Folgore
Balzan
Gzira United
Progrès Niederkorn
Racing Union

Unlikely:
Ferencvaros
DAC Dunajska Streda
Buducnost Podgorica
Siroki Brijeg
Partizani Tirana
Luftetari Gjirokaster
FK Laci
Ujpest
FK Shkupi
Undecided Montenegrin Team
Either a Slovakian or Hungarian Team

Really unlikely:
Milsami Orhei
Pyunik Yerevan
Chikhura Sachkhere
Zaria Balti
Petrocub Hincesti
Samtredia
Gandzasar Kapan
Banants Yerevan

So a chance of getting an Irish/Welsh team are quite high

Never heard of half of these teams either

***JimBHibees*** · 28-05-2018 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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So a chance of getting an Irish/Welsh team are quite high

Never heard of half of these teams either

Looks like about a 3rd of a chance of getting a Welsh/Norn Iron or Irish team.

**HibeeHibernian4** · 28-05-2018 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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Looks like about a 3rd of a chance of getting a Welsh/Norn Iron or Irish team.

That will rest on how the pre-draw is done, but given how last year's groups were made, there was at least one team from Northern Ireland, Ireland or Wales in groups 7-10 (the 'Northern' groups). One group had a Welsh, Northern Irish and Irish team making up three of the five unseeded teams. If that happened again and we were in the seeded part of that group, we'd have a 60% chance of a nearby tie.

**TamHibs** · 28-05-2018 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75

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It is, we are very likely to get a team from 'Northern' Europe (a British side, Baltic states, Scandinavia) unless we are placed in one of the overlapping groups in the draw, in which case it could be a team from anywhere.

Regionalisation was done away with in 2009, although usually the bigwigs at UEFA make the decision whether or not they want to regionalise the draw the day before the draw, makes sense right?.....

http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/970-J...tion-quagmire-

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/...ial-opponents/

I'm aware these links are from years ago but from what I can tell they haven't changed since.

**HibeeHibernian4** · 28-05-2018 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by TamHibs

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Regionalisation was done away with in 2009, although usually the bigwigs at UEFA make the decision whether or not they want to regionalise the draw the day before the draw, makes sense right?.....

http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/970-J...tion-quagmire-

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/...ial-opponents/

I'm aware these links are from years ago but from what I can tell they haven't changed since.

Formalised regions were done away with in 2009, correct, but the First Qualifying Round absolutely adheres to an unwritten, loose form of regionalising and has done so very obviously since the 2013/14 season, with the 2015/16 season being a bit of an anomaly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E..._round#Seeding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E..._phase#Seeding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E..._round#Seeding

If you look at those pots, there is definitely regionalisation going on.

In 2014/15, it's groups 5-7 that are 'Northern teams'.

In 2016/17, it's groups 1-4.

In 2017/18, it's groups 7-10.

Furthermore, the Kassiesa website, far more knowledgable about how this all works than myself, says "Although the regulations no longer require the use of regional groups (as used before 2009), until now UEFA still uses some kind of regionalization in the first qualifying rounds. At first the clubs are divided into seeded and unseeded teams, and then the seeded and unseeded teams are split into regional groups. The general approach seems to use the North/Central/South scheme, but no specific rules are known."

**ToffeeCabbage** · 28-05-2018 01:27 PM

A Welsh team would suit me. Cheap away day and a more than good chance of going through. Just to wind up The Rangers, drawing then beating Progres Niederkorn would be pretty sweet

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***Billy Whizz*** · 28-05-2018 01:33 PM

Irish and Welsh current tables

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...miership/table

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...-premier/table

I’m presuming the N Irish/Welsh leagues runs same time as Scottish League
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...r-league/table

**Ozyhibby** · 28-05-2018 01:39 PM

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One thing that's a bit of a bugger about the seedings is that a team like Burnley who have not been in Europe in my lifetime are automatically given a high seeding purely because of where they are from while teams that maybe get through a couple of ties each year would still be behind them in the seedings without having a decent crack at getting to the groups.

It's meant to be about the teams here yet Celtic have a couple of decent years then have to play another tie because the Scottish coefficient on a whole has dropped. I guess this is partly as their last 16 year will be dropping off too though.

Aye, don't mean to be pro Celtic but the seedings can be a bugger.

Easiest possible ties please and preferably against other teams in their pre season. We might not make the Group Stage this year but let's boost our co-efficient to help the cause in the coming seasons. With a Europa expansion and more money ploughed in it could be the perfect timing. Lennon, Dempster and Craig will know this and any whisper to the Tache and he'll be holding a 3 season stiffy.

Part of the changes that have been introduced this year are about that. From now on Celtic won’t be affected by Scottish co-efficient but will be able to have only a club one. It’s why they are not complaining about the extra round they are having to play this year because they expect to be able to build up their own co-eff points from now on.

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***nonshinyfinish*** · 28-05-2018 01:53 PM

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Europa FC

Need to avoid these guys, their name’s already on the trophy.

***Mr White*** · 28-05-2018 02:00 PM

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Need to avoid these guys, their name’s already on the trophy.

***Rocky*** · 28-05-2018 02:54 PM

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Me too mate, the dilemma I have is if we draw an Irish team for example in round #1 but draw a Dutch, German or French team in round #2 do I hold off hoping Hibs get through, I would much rather go to the continent than Ireland.

Not that I'd wish to encourage anyone to gamble but perhaps the bookies might be able to help with that dilemma.

Eg supposing Hibs can be had at evens in first tie, and for arguments sake a trip to Ireland is £300, while one to the continent would be £600. Spend £300 on getting to Ireland and put £300 on Hibs to qualify. We win, you've got your £600 to fund second round trip, if we lose you're down £300 at bookie but you don't need it for euro trip anyway.

Disclaimer: this may not be the most sensible financial advice posted on this forum.