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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Yet again as is the normal for the Snp separatchiks they simply won't be drawn into attempting to defend their party.

    The Snp are a party of failure and will destroy the Scottish economy and lots more if they ever get their wish that is to break up the UK.

    I doubt they ever will due to their being an inward looking, secretive and regressive party that is sending the message out to its supporters to say as little as possible and put the boot into any other party and its supporters in the hope that'll be enough to drag separation over the line while at the same time deceiving the Scottish folk.

    The Snp separatists would deceive the Scottish folk into separation while in the knowledge it would undoubtedly mean severe austerity and cuts while increasing poverty and much anxiety among the poorest in Scotland for generations to come.

    We in Labour on the other hand have no problem in voicing our strongest objections to tory like Snp austerity and cuts and Greek style meltdown and chaos of the Scottish economy if the separatchiks ever got their separatist wishes.

    We believe in our core socialist ideals and principle of fighting austerity and inequality, eradicating homelessness, protecting the NHS and working with the Trade Unions to fight for jobs and wages while actively seeking to increase benefits for those who're not in work and cannot work while being part of the shared risk UK.

    In stark contrast the Snp are growing ever more secretively unresponsive to making a case for their singular chaos theory of separatism and getting busy putting the boot into those other honest party supporters who feel able to make a case for their own socialist party credentials who continue to fight for the oppressed and against austerity, cuts and chaos in general.

    Mon Scottish Labour!

    You can still vote Labour in Independent Scotland.

    I think they will do well. The best way to get rid of the SNP is to vote yes in IndyRef2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Yet again as is the normal for the Snp separatchiks they simply won't be drawn into attempting to defend their party.

    The Snp are a party of failure and will destroy the Scottish economy and lots more if they ever get their wish that is to break up the UK.

    I doubt they ever will due to their being an inward looking, secretive and regressive party that is sending the message out to its supporters to say as little as possible and put the boot into any other party and its supporters in the hope that'll be enough to drag separation over the line while at the same time deceiving the Scottish folk.

    The Snp separatists would deceive the Scottish folk into separation while in the knowledge it would undoubtedly mean severe austerity and cuts while increasing poverty and much anxiety among the poorest in Scotland for generations to come.

    We in Labour on the other hand have no problem in voicing our strongest objections to tory like Snp austerity and cuts and Greek style meltdown and chaos of the Scottish economy if the separatchiks ever got their separatist wishes.

    We believe in our core socialist ideals and principle of fighting austerity and inequality, eradicating homelessness, protecting the NHS and working with the Trade Unions to fight for jobs and wages while actively seeking to increase benefits for those who're not in work and cannot work while being part of the shared risk UK.

    In stark contrast the Snp are growing ever more secretively unresponsive to making a case for their singular chaos theory of separatism and getting busy putting the boot into those other honest party supporters who feel able to make a case for their own socialist party credentials who continue to fight for the oppressed and against austerity, cuts and chaos in general.

    Mon Scottish Labour!

    Iíve read some mince in my time but that is right up there with anything..

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    Iíve read some mince in my time but that is right up there with anything..
    SNP troll I think. I get a little surer every post.

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    Totally agree I'm afraid... so many contradictions on what's said compared to how Labour have actually voted for example (or abstained) and a complete lack of ANYTHING to actually vote for its all just sound bite stuff... also known as pish and wind.

    Oh, and if he is Labour he's done a major disservice to his party, and if, as looks increasingly likely, he's an SNP toll, he's done his job but starting to ruin it by looking like a complete prat

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    Of course what I write as a lifelong Labour supporter will be absolute 'mince' to the Snp separatchiks. That's simply a given. Anyone who agrees with the separatists would of course not be subject to their pathetic taunts and sneering that appears to be their weapon of choice when faced with Labour supporters such as myself who spell out the reality of their proposed madness of flag waving nationalistic separation that would certainly lead to chaos and poverty never seen for many a year here in Scotland.

    The Scottish folk deservedfar better than the Snp nationalistic nonsense that's being dished out to them from the separatists and we at Scottish Labour continue as ever to fight for an open outward looking Scotland within the shared risk UK and to build for the future by growing the economy, protecting the NHS, working with employers and the Trade Unions to protect jobs and wages while fighting for those who find themselves in need of a helping hand by increasing benefits for those who're not in work and those who cannot work through illness or disability.

    The Snp are failing Scotland and its folk. They're far too busy falsely constructing divisions within the UK as said by one of their own Jim Sillars. They're a disaster for Scotland.

    In stark contrast Labour cares very much about the Scottish folk and will continue to fight for our time served vision of socialism and a brighter future for all of us.

    Mon Scottish Labour!


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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    All of the devolved Goverments since devolution began, no matter which party or grouping that was, have done a decent job. Up until Sturgeonís SNP that is who are failing on several levels. What radically different way of doing things are they showcasing? Try and do that without listing the Ďfreeí stuff.
    They have been in power for ten years now. Labour fell because they took it for granted that the electorate would continue to back them in droves no matter what they did. Much like the SNP and some of their more triumphalist supporters are doing now. Take the independence issue away and the SNP are exposed as a centre right party who are really not much different from any of the others.


    There was some outstanding legislation in the early days of devolved government that really showed a commitment to progressive politics and a rights-based approach. It's slowed somewhat but while I'll never be an SNP supporter, I'm happy to agree that at least some policy stays true to that progressive agenda. There's certainly a big thrust at the moment on human rights-based approaches and I think that highlights how you can shape policy when it's at a level that devolved government allows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Of course what I write as a lifelong Labour supporter will be absolute 'mince' to the Snp separatchiks. That's simply a given. Anyone who agrees with the separatists would of course not be subject to their pathetic taunts and sneering that appears to be their weapon of choice when faced with Labour supporters such as myself who spell out the reality of their proposed madness of flag waving nationalistic separation that would certainly lead to chaos and poverty never seen for many a year here in Scotland.

    The Scottish folk deservedfar better than the Snp nationalistic nonsense that's being dished out to them from the separatists and we at Scottish Labour continue as ever to fight for an open outward looking Scotland within the shared risk UK and to build for the future by growing the economy, protecting the NHS, working with employers and the Trade Unions to protect jobs and wages while fighting for those who find themselves in need of a helping hand by increasing benefits for those who're not in work and those who cannot work through illness or disability.

    The Snp are failing Scotland and its folk. They're far too busy falsely constructing divisions within the UK as said by one of their own Jim Sillars. They're a disaster for Scotland.

    In stark contrast Labour cares very much about the Scottish folk and will continue to fight for our time served vision of socialism and a brighter future for all of us.

    Mon Scottish Labour!



    you’ve been asked several times on other threads to provide examples of these claims, yet you haven’t?

    Simply repeating the same thing over and over, or copy and pasting the same things over and over, isn’t an answer.

    Also, How does labour (Scottish or UK) propose to protect the nhs, grow the economy, protect jobs, and increase benefits? I would love to hear this, and I’m not being sarcastic, I’m being genuine. A party which can provide a clear, credible and achievable plan to deliver these would be a strong runner for being in government, so please, can you share with us how the Labour Party will deliver on these promises you’ve described?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McD View Post
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    youíve been asked several times on other threads to provide examples of these claims, yet you havenít?

    Simply repeating the same thing over and over, or copy and pasting the same things over and over, isnít an answer.

    Also, How does labour (Scottish or UK) propose to protect the nhs, grow the economy, protect jobs, and increase benefits? I would love to hear this, and Iím not being sarcastic, Iím being genuine. A party which can provide a clear, credible and achievable plan to deliver these would be a strong runner for being in government, so please, can you share with us how the Labour Party will deliver on these promises youíve described?
    What makes you think you're so special? ;-)

    He's not replied to anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    What makes you think you're so special? ;-)

    He's not replied to anyone else.

    Nor me so far, but I live in hope 😂

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