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    Murdering doctors who were trying to help injured peaceful protesters. What will be done about these terrorists?

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    Murdering doctors who were trying to help injured peaceful protesters. What will be done about these terrorists?

    In all likelihood, absolutely nothing.

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    I see Argentina have called off their friendly with Israel due to be played in Jerusalem. At least in part due to pressure from some of the players.
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    I see Argentina have called off their friendly with Israel due to be played in Jerusalem. At least in part due to pressure from some of the players.

    Not surprisingly that hasn't gone down too well in Israel:

    But Israel's defence minister said it was "too bad" Argentina's footballers did not "withstand the pressure of the Israeli-hating inciters".

    "We will not yield before a pack of anti-Semitic terrorist supporters," Avigdor Lierberman tweeted.
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    I wish those of us who oppose the Israeli state's actions / support the rights of the Palestinians would stop being called anti-Semitic.

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    I wish those of us who oppose the Israeli state's actions / support the rights of the Palestinians would stop being called anti-Semitic.

    I thought I would check my understanding of the word “Semite” and, sure enough, my dictionary responded with:

    Definition of Semite

    1a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
    2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language”

    The Israeli authorities seem to be more anti-Semitic than most other folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranraer View Post
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    I wish those of us who oppose the Israeli state's actions / support the rights of the Palestinians would stop being called anti-Semitic.
    The right wing in Israel are particularly fond of conflating criticism of the occupation and anti-Jewish racism. It's nonsense and is a blatant attempt to silence people: if you criticise what Israel does, you hate Jews, so keep quiet. It's a disgraceful tactic; one which can't be allowed to succeed.
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    The right wing in Israel are particularly fond of conflating criticism of the occupation and anti-Jewish racism. It's nonsense and is a blatant attempt to silence people: if you criticise what Israel does, you hate Jews, so keep quiet. It's a disgraceful tactic; one which can't be allowed to succeed.
    Unfortunately, it isn't just the right-wing - this is a standard tactic of Israel and its lobby groups. The concept of 'Israel' has been bound together with the image of Jewish victims of the holocaust, and Jewishness in general, in a cynical propaganda exercise which goes back decades. The Zionists have, in effect, hijacked the holocaust, and even terms of the English language, in order to promote their racist project.
    There is a common misconception prevalent at the moment that Netanyahu is on the far right in Israel. He isn't. In fact his policies are fairly moderate and in the centre in Israeli terms.
    There are, of course, Israelis who speak out against the atrocities committed in their name - but they are a very small minority. The vast majority of Israelis live in a propaganda bubble, believing that they are the real victims and that the rest of the world is profoundly anti-Semitic.
    We now have a very sad state of affairs within the British Labour Party where lifelong anti-racists are being suspended and expelled for speaking out against Israel's crimes while, at the same time, the Labour Friends of Israel promote an apartheid regime's 'right to defend itself' and lead a witch hunt against Labour critics of the killing of unarmed civilians.

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    Unfortunately, it isn't just the right-wing - this is a standard tactic of Israel and its lobby groups. The concept of 'Israel' has been bound together with the image of Jewish victims of the holocaust, and Jewishness in general, in a cynical propaganda exercise which goes back decades. The Zionists have, in effect, hijacked the holocaust, and even terms of the English language, in order to promote their racist project.
    There is a common misconception prevalent at the moment that Netanyahu is on the far right in Israel. He isn't. In fact his policies are fairly moderate and in the centre in Israeli terms.
    There are, of course, Israelis who speak out against the atrocities committed in their name - but they are a very small minority. The vast majority of Israelis live in a propaganda bubble, believing that they are the real victims and that the rest of the world is profoundly anti-Semitic.
    We now have a very sad state of affairs within the British Labour Party where lifelong anti-racists are being suspended and expelled for speaking out against Israel's crimes while, at the same time, the Labour Friends of Israel promote an apartheid regime's 'right to defend itself' and lead a witch hunt against Labour critics of the killing of unarmed civilians.
    A decent summary

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    Quote Originally Posted by IngolstadtHarry View Post
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    Unfortunately, it isn't just the right-wing - this is a standard tactic of Israel and its lobby groups. The concept of 'Israel' has been bound together with the image of Jewish victims of the holocaust, and Jewishness in general, in a cynical propaganda exercise which goes back decades. The Zionists have, in effect, hijacked the holocaust, and even terms of the English language, in order to promote their racist project.
    There is a common misconception prevalent at the moment that Netanyahu is on the far right in Israel. He isn't. In fact his policies are fairly moderate and in the centre in Israeli terms.
    There are, of course, Israelis who speak out against the atrocities committed in their name - but they are a very small minority. The vast majority of Israelis live in a propaganda bubble, believing that they are the real victims and that the rest of the world is profoundly anti-Semitic.
    We now have a very sad state of affairs within the British Labour Party where lifelong anti-racists are being suspended and expelled for speaking out against Israel's crimes while, at the same time, the Labour Friends of Israel promote an apartheid regime's 'right to defend itself' and lead a witch hunt against Labour critics of the killing of unarmed civilians.
    I think there's much to be said for this. Norman Finkelstein's excellent book The Holocaust Industry discusses how Israeli politicians and supporters have misused the horrors of the Holocaust to silence critics of Israeli policy. His parents were themselves survivors of Auschwitz. The propaganda bubble of the Israeli public has been explained by several historians and political commentators; I would say Ilan Pappe, the Israeli historian and advocate for the Palestinian cause, has done an excellent job there, for example. It would appear that most of the Israeli public are blasé about the occupation and rarely think of it, as it doesn't affect them; largely because they don't pay for it, American money does.
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    I think there's much to be said for this. Norman Finkelstein's excellent book The Holocaust Industry discusses how Israeli politicians and supporters have misused the horrors of the Holocaust to silence critics of Israeli policy. His parents were themselves survivors of Auschwitz. The propaganda bubble of the Israeli public has been explained by several historians and political commentators; I would say Ilan Pappe, the Israeli historian and advocate for the Palestinian cause, has done an excellent job there, for example. It would appear that most of the Israeli public are blasé about the occupation and rarely think of it, as it doesn't affect them; largely because they don't pay for it, American money does.
    Pappe... is that the author that wrote about the "ethnic cleansing of Palestine?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranraer View Post
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    Pappe... is that the author that wrote about the "ethnic cleansing of Palestine?"
    Yes

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    Pappe... is that the author that wrote about the "ethnic cleansing of Palestine?"
    Yes, he's written a number of good books, including that one, which examines the creation of the refugees during the creation of Israel.
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    The theme of anti-Semitism is a hot topic in the UK at the moment, with the most serious and damaging accusations being levelled, ironically, against the people who are the least anti-Semitic and the most active in campaigning against all forms of racism. It isn't difficult to work out that a massive fraud is being perpetrated by the right-wing press and the Tory Party, aided and steered by the propaganda unit of the Israeli Embassy, which is now more or less under the control of Mark Regev - the new Israeli Ambassador to the UK and apologist for Israel's crimes against the Palestinians. Jewish Labour Party activists have found themselves branded as 'anti_Semitic' and have been suspended, and in some cases expelled, from the party for the 'crime' of criticising Israel. The mainstream media use of the term has now lost its literal meaning. It is no longer used to describe someone who is prejudiced against the Semitic peoples - or even simply against Jewish people. The charge of anti-Semitism is now being levelled against anyone criticising the state of Israel - irrespective of whether the critic is himself Jewish.
    How do the propagandists get away with this massive fraud? By financing and controlling some very powerful lobby groups, the most important of which are AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) and the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) in the US.
    The UK has the Board of Deputies of British Jews - a grand-sounding name for a right-wing, conservative organisation which is very much pro-Israel. When Jeremy Corbyn recently celebrated the Jewish festival of Passover with a group of anti-Israel Jews he was condemned by the Deputies for hobnobbing with 'the wrong kind of Jews'.
    It's very important to stress that Israel and its lobby groups do not represent the world's Jews. They don't even represent Israel's Jews, in fact many Orthodox Jews in Israel are involved in an ongoing conflict with the state which is trying to force them to serve in the military.
    I recently came across a very good film which provides incredible insight into how the propagandists work and how they've managed to get away with their scam for so long.
    It was made by an Israeli film director who uses wonderful black Jewish humour to cover a serious topic. He manages to expose the Israeli scam for all the world to see. The problem is that this film was, of course, condemned as 'anti-Semitic, wasn't widely distributed, and is regularly taken down from youtube due to anonymous complaints. I would highly recommend it. Link below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE

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    The theme of anti-Semitism is a hot topic in the UK at the moment, with the most serious and damaging accusations being levelled, ironically, against the people who are the least anti-Semitic and the most active in campaigning against all forms of racism. It isn't difficult to work out that a massive fraud is being perpetrated by the right-wing press and the Tory Party, aided and steered by the propaganda unit of the Israeli Embassy, which is now more or less under the control of Mark Regev - the new Israeli Ambassador to the UK and apologist for Israel's crimes against the Palestinians. Jewish Labour Party activists have found themselves branded as 'anti_Semitic' and have been suspended, and in some cases expelled, from the party for the 'crime' of criticising Israel. The mainstream media use of the term has now lost its literal meaning. It is no longer used to describe someone who is prejudiced against the Semitic peoples - or even simply against Jewish people. The charge of anti-Semitism is now being levelled against anyone criticising the state of Israel - irrespective of whether the critic is himself Jewish.
    How do the propagandists get away with this massive fraud? By financing and controlling some very powerful lobby groups, the most important of which are AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) and the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) in the US.
    The UK has the Board of Deputies of British Jews - a grand-sounding name for a right-wing, conservative organisation which is very much pro-Israel. When Jeremy Corbyn recently celebrated the Jewish festival of Passover with a group of anti-Israel Jews he was condemned by the Deputies for hobnobbing with 'the wrong kind of Jews'.
    It's very important to stress that Israel and its lobby groups do not represent the world's Jews. They don't even represent Israel's Jews, in fact many Orthodox Jews in Israel are involved in an ongoing conflict with the state which is trying to force them to serve in the military.
    I recently came across a very good film which provides incredible insight into how the propagandists work and how they've managed to get away with their scam for so long.
    It was made by an Israeli film director who uses wonderful black Jewish humour to cover a serious topic. He manages to expose the Israeli scam for all the world to see. The problem is that this film was, of course, condemned as 'anti-Semitic, wasn't widely distributed, and is regularly taken down from youtube due to anonymous complaints. I would highly recommend it. Link below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE

    Which is it then, is he expelling the 'innocents' or standing up to the giant 'conspiracy'?

    The behaviour and sub-text to the agenda of many of these people you appear to be talking about seems to be a reversion to ancient and disgusting anti Jewish tropes. Big difference between that and criticising the actions of the state of Israel.

    Your link is to a film that was posted almost exactly three years ago. Doesn't seem to have been taken down during that time. Pretty ***** conspiracy if it leaves a hostile opinion intact for three years?

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    Which is it then, is he expelling the 'innocents' or standing up to the giant 'conspiracy'?

    The behaviour and sub-text to the agenda of many of these people you appear to be talking about seems to be a reversion to ancient and disgusting anti Jewish tropes. Big difference between that and criticising the actions of the state of Israel.

    Your link is to a film that was posted almost exactly three years ago. Doesn't seem to have been taken down during that time. Pretty ***** conspiracy if it leaves a hostile opinion intact for three years?


    Neither - you seem rather confused about the situation within the Labour Party. Corbyn was elected overwhelmingly, as party leader, by the membership, which stands at well over half a million. He is being opposed by the Blairite-dominated Parliamentary Labour Party. Those are the people responsible for the fake charges of anti-Semitism. Until local constituency parties de-select the Blairites, Corbyn will suffer continuing set-backs. If you are still confused then let me know and I will explain in a little more depth.

    There are no 'Jewish tropes' involved in my analysis. In fact, I have stressed the non-Jewish nature of Israel and its crimes - a side of my argument which seems to have escaped you.
    The only thing I find disgusting is the impunity which Israel has managed to obtain in the face of its race crimes and an apartheid system which far exceeds that of South Africa in brutality.

    I deliberately linked to a version of the film which appears to have survived longest. Many other links have disappeared during that time. This has nothing to do with a conspiracy but is more likely due to the efforts of the recruits Israel employs to sanitise its online image. These recruits include many thousands of students whose job is to monitor social media, newspaper letters pages and youtube, attempting to remove negative publicity. Israel admits to doing this. If you attempt to deny this then I will be forced to make you look foolish here by posting hard evidence of it.

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    Neither - you seem rather confused about the situation within the Labour Party. Corbyn was elected overwhelmingly, as party leader, by the membership, which stands at well over half a million. He is being opposed by the Blairite-dominated Parliamentary Labour Party. Those are the people responsible for the fake charges of anti-Semitism. Until local constituency parties de-select the Blairites, Corbyn will suffer continuing set-backs. If you are still confused then let me know and I will explain in a little more depth.

    There are no 'Jewish tropes' involved in my analysis. In fact, I have stressed the non-Jewish nature of Israel and its crimes - a side of my argument which seems to have escaped you.
    The only thing I find disgusting is the impunity which Israel has managed to obtain in the face of its race crimes and an apartheid system which far exceeds that of South Africa in brutality.

    I deliberately linked to a version of the film which appears to have survived longest. Many other links have disappeared during that time. This has nothing to do with a conspiracy but is more likely due to the efforts of the recruits Israel employs to sanitise its online image. These recruits include many thousands of students whose job is to monitor social media, newspaper letters pages and youtube, attempting to remove negative publicity. Israel admits to doing this. If you attempt to deny this then I will be forced to make you look foolish here by posting hard evidence of it.

    decided i can't be bothered. sorry.

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    Neither - you seem rather confused about the situation within the Labour Party. Corbyn was elected overwhelmingly, as party leader, by the membership, which stands at well over half a million. He is being opposed by the Blairite-dominated Parliamentary Labour Party. Those are the people responsible for the fake charges of anti-Semitism. Until local constituency parties de-select the Blairites, Corbyn will suffer continuing set-backs. If you are still confused then let me know and I will explain in a little more depth.

    There are no 'Jewish tropes' involved in my analysis. In fact, I have stressed the non-Jewish nature of Israel and its crimes - a side of my argument which seems to have escaped you.
    The only thing I find disgusting is the impunity which Israel has managed to obtain in the face of its race crimes and an apartheid system which far exceeds that of South Africa in brutality.

    I deliberately linked to a version of the film which appears to have survived longest. Many other links have disappeared during that time. This has nothing to do with a conspiracy but is more likely due to the efforts of the recruits Israel employs to sanitise its online image. These recruits include many thousands of students whose job is to monitor social media, newspaper letters pages and youtube, attempting to remove negative publicity. Israel admits to doing this. If you attempt to deny this then I will be forced to make you look foolish here by posting hard evidence of it.
    It wasn’t that overwhelming a victory, more Labour members wanted to stay in the EU than voted for Corbyn, and let’s be frank, there aren’t Blairites nowadays, the man left the job more than a decade ago.

    There are a bunch of hyped-up loons who resemble children with the keys to a sweetie shop and want to drag Labour into an unelectable morass in order to indulge their fantasies where Blair stands trial for war crimes and then something else, before an inevitable decline into bitter in-fighting about where a comma is placed or why oxygen should be nationalised.

    All IMO I hasten to add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IngolstadtHarry View Post
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    Neither - you seem rather confused about the situation within the Labour Party. Corbyn was elected overwhelmingly, as party leader, by the membership, which stands at well over half a million. He is being opposed by the Blairite-dominated Parliamentary Labour Party. Those are the people responsible for the fake charges of anti-Semitism. Until local constituency parties de-select the Blairites, Corbyn will suffer continuing set-backs. If you are still confused then let me know and I will explain in a little more depth.

    He can't be simultaneously in charge and not in charge.

    There are no 'Jewish tropes' involved in my analysis. In fact, I have stressed the non-Jewish nature of Israel and its crimes - a side of my argument which seems to have escaped you.
    The only thing I find disgusting is the impunity which Israel has managed to obtain in the face of its race crimes and an apartheid system which far exceeds that of South Africa in brutality.

    I wasn't talking about your analysis, I was talking about the behaviour of the suspended/expelled Labour people you referred to and what motivates some of them.

    I deliberately linked to a version of the film which appears to have survived longest. Many other links have disappeared during that time. This has nothing to do with a conspiracy but is more likely due to the efforts of the recruits Israel employs to sanitise its online image. These recruits include many thousands of students whose job is to monitor social media, newspaper letters pages and youtube, attempting to remove negative publicity. Israel admits to doing this. If you attempt to deny this then I will be forced to make you look foolish here by posting hard evidence of it.

    If this survived three years they must be pretty crap at their online whitewashing activities.


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    He can't be simultaneously in charge and not in charge.

    If this survived three years they must be pretty crap at their online whitewashing activities.

    Got bored waiting for non-existent transfer news and decided I could be bothered after all.

    Clearly, you have absolutely no idea about how the Labour Party is structured and run if you have to use terms like 'in charge'. The party is not a dictatorship and don't forget that Corbyn became leader against the will of the parliamentary party.
    Organise your own education because I don't wish to take on that role for you.

    I suspect that the clip survived 3 years because there is a small amount of resistance among the youtube administrators to spurious charges of anti-Semitism. As I already pointed out, many other versions of the same film were taken down without a reason being given. To sum up, the Israeli PR operatives are not 'pretty crap', in fact they are very efficient and persistent, but they do suffer some failures.

    Good luck with your transfer news - and your education.

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    It wasn’t that overwhelming a victory, more Labour members wanted to stay in the EU than voted for Corbyn, and let’s be frank, there aren’t Blairites nowadays, the man left the job more than a decade ago.

    There are a bunch of hyped-up loons who resemble children with the keys to a sweetie shop and want to drag Labour into an unelectable morass in order to indulge their fantasies where Blair stands trial for war crimes and then something else, before an inevitable decline into bitter in-fighting about where a comma is placed or why oxygen should be nationalised.

    All IMO I hasten to add.
    Clearly, you live in a parallel universe with 'alternative facts'.
    In my universe, Corbyn won the leadership election, and I quote Wikipedia, "in a landslide victory on 12 September 2015 with 59.5% of first-preference votes in the first round of voting. Corbyn's 40.5% majority was larger than that attained by Tony Blair in 1994.[12][13] His margin of victory was said to be "the largest mandate ever won by a party leader".

    When he was challenged for the leadership by Owen Smith in 2016, Corbyn increased his majority. I quote: "
    Corbyn was re-elected as Labour leader on 24 September, with 313,209 votes (61.8%) compared to 193,229 (38.2%) for Owen Smith – a slightly increased share of the vote compared to his election in 2015, when he won 59%. On a turnout of 77.6%, Corbyn won the support of 59% of party members, 70% of registered supporters and 60% of affiliated supporters".

    "let’s be frank, there aren’t Blairites nowadays, the man left the job more than a decade ago."
    Well, the Labour Party seems to think that it has Blairites, members who hold to Blair's philosophy call themselves Blairites and those who oppose them use the same term - so I don't really understand what you are trying to say there at all. Some members of the Tory Party call themselves 'Thatcherites' even though she left power decades ago, and the planet years ago.

    "fantasies where Blair stands trial for war crimes.."
    To make light of war crimes is very dangerous territory indeed. Many international campaigners for justice for the victims of Tony Blair and George Bush do not regard such a scenario as a 'fantasy' and maybe if you had a family member who was sent to war and died on the basis of lies told by Blair then you would take this matter a little more seriously, instead of making such a flippant remark.


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    Clearly, you have absolutely no idea about how the Labour Party is structured and run if you have to use terms like 'in charge'. The party is not a dictatorship and don't forget that Corbyn became leader against the will of the parliamentary party.
    Organise your own education because I don't wish to take on that role for you.

    If you knew anything at all about the Labour Party you would be aware that a) the Leader and their office effectively dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do - and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control and b) that the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies means that Corbyn is utterly 'in charge' of everything when it comes to votes on, for example, conference debates and agenda, disciplinary matters etc - with the exception of the PLP and some local council groups. The PLP of course has little power over anything. Quaint though your view is, you show little understanding of how the party really works in your strange references to the PLP - a body which has no formal or informal control over anything other than itself and barely even that.

    I suspect that the clip survived 3 years because there is a small amount of resistance among the youtube administrators to spurious charges of anti-Semitism. As I already pointed out, many other versions of the same film were taken down without a reason being given. To sum up, the Israeli PR operatives are not 'pretty crap', in fact they are very efficient and persistent, but they do suffer some failures.

    I suspect you are talking cobblers here. There's just enough 'resistance' among youtube administrators to protect this one clip for three years? Somehow though this plucky undercover resistance group couldn't save the other versions?

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    If you knew anything at all about the Labour Party you would be aware that a) the Leader and their office effectively dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do - and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control and b) that the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies means that Corbyn is utterly 'in charge' of everything when it comes to votes on, for example, conference debates and agenda, disciplinary matters etc - with the exception of the PLP and some local council groups. The PLP of course has little power over anything. Quaint though your view is, you show little understanding of how the party really works in your strange references to the PLP - a body which has no formal or informal control over anything other than itself and barely even that.
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    "The leader and their (sic) office dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do..."
    "..and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control.."

    Where did you dredge up this absolute nonsense? Take your nose out of Murdoch's press and try to get a grip on reality. I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry when I come across such profound ignorance. It is even more shocking when the very press which you use as your information sources is full of talk of 'rebellion' against Corbyn on a daily basis. Why is it that the witch hunt against supposed anti-Semites is directed exclusively against Corbyn's allies - within the PLP and without.
    A goldfish could come up with a more logical argument than the preposterous nonsense which you have written above.
    Are you even aware that winning parliamentary seats to form a government is the aim of the entire party structure? It isn't a social club, you know.
    "...the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies..."
    Are you living in the 1970s? Who put this stuff in your head? Did you ever take a look at the current figures for trade union membership and where those unions stand politically?


    I suspect you are talking cobblers here. There's just enough 'resistance' among youtube administrators to protect this one clip for three years? Somehow though this plucky undercover resistance group couldn't save the other versions?

    I left the most moronic thing you wrote to the end. Did it ever enter your head that 300 hours of video are uploaded every single hour of every day to youtube or that 5,000,000,000 videos are watched there every day?
    Why on earth would it have to be a 'plucky undercover resistance group'? Why couldn't it just result from a general inability or unwillingness to check every single clip branded anti-Semitic by anonymous complainers. Clearly, you have no inkling about statistics and probabilities because, for you, everything has to boil down to some 'conspiracy'.
    You really ought to be deeply embarrassed about putting your name to this stuff - all in the name of making a feeble attempt at justifying attacks on the one party leader this country has produced in the last few decades who is willing and able to stand up to a racist abomination which resulted from British colonialism.

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    [QUOTE=IngolstadtHarry;5431301]If you knew anything at all about the Labour Party you would be aware that a) the Leader and their office effectively dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do - and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control and b) that the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies means that Corbyn is utterly 'in charge' of everything when it comes to votes on, for example, conference debates and agenda, disciplinary matters etc - with the exception of the PLP and some local council groups. The PLP of course has little power over anything. Quaint though your view is, you show little understanding of how the party really works in your strange references to the PLP - a body which has no formal or informal control over anything other than itself and barely even that.
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    'Education' /QUOTE]

    "The leader and their (sic) office dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do..."
    "..and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control.."

    Where did you dredge up this absolute nonsense? Take your nose out of Murdoch's press and try to get a grip on reality. I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry when I come across such profound ignorance. It is even more shocking when the very press which you use as your information sources is full of talk of 'rebellion' against Corbyn on a daily basis. Why is it that the witch hunt against supposed anti-Semites is directed exclusively against Corbyn's allies - within the PLP and without.
    A goldfish could come up with a more logical argument than the preposterous nonsense which you have written above.
    Are you even aware that winning parliamentary seats to form a government is the aim of the entire party structure? It isn't a social club, you know.
    "...the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies..."
    Are you living in the 1970s? Who put this stuff in your head? Did you ever take a look at the current figures for trade union membership and where those unions stand politically?


    I suspect you are talking cobblers here. There's just enough 'resistance' among youtube administrators to protect this one clip for three years? Somehow though this plucky undercover resistance group couldn't save the other versions?

    I left the most moronic thing you wrote to the end. Did it ever enter your head that 300 hours of video are uploaded every single hour of every day to youtube or that 5,000,000,000 videos are watched there every day?
    Why on earth would it have to be a 'plucky undercover resistance group'? Why couldn't it just result from a general inability or unwillingness to check every single clip branded anti-Semitic by anonymous complainers. Clearly, you have no inkling about statistics and probabilities because, for you, everything has to boil down to some 'conspiracy'.
    You really ought to be deeply embarrassed about putting your name to this stuff - all in the name of making a feeble attempt at justifying attacks on the one party leader this country has produced in the last few decades who is willing and able to stand up to a racist abomination which resulted from British colonialism.
    You 2 should both be embarrassed at not being able to use the quote facility.

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    'Education'

    And please don't paste your stuff inside my posts and then reply with the entire block as a quote - I really don't want anyone on here to get the impression that the stuff you spew originates with me.

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    You 2 should both be embarrassed at not being able to use the quote facility.[/QUOTE]


    I just wrote a post complaining about this very thing. He insists upon writing answers within my text in bold and then quoting the entire block - which gives the impression that his stuff comes from me.
    It forces me to cut out what he wrote and reply to each part separately.

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    If you knew anything at all about the Labour Party you would be aware that a) the Leader and their office effectively dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do - and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control and b) that the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies means that Corbyn is utterly 'in charge' of everything when it comes to votes on, for example, conference debates and agenda, disciplinary matters etc - with the exception of the PLP and some local council groups. The PLP of course has little power over anything. Quaint though your view is, you show little understanding of how the party really works in your strange references to the PLP - a body which has no formal or informal control over anything other than itself and barely even that.


    You 2 should both be embarrassed at not being able to use the quote facility.

    You make a fair point, I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IngolstadtHarry View Post
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    You 2 should both be embarrassed at not being able to use the quote facility.

    I just wrote a post complaining about this very thing. He insists upon writing answers within my text in bold and then quoting the entire block - which gives the impression that his stuff comes from me.
    It forces me to cut out what he wrote and reply to each part separately.[/QUOTE]

    To be fair, he was talking about you an aw

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    To be fair, he was talking about you an aw
    I realised that and was attempting to explain the lack of structure.

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    [QUOTE=IngolstadtHarry;5431301]If you knew anything at all about the Labour Party you would be aware that a) the Leader and their office effectively dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do - and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control and b) that the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies means that Corbyn is utterly 'in charge' of everything when it comes to votes on, for example, conference debates and agenda, disciplinary matters etc - with the exception of the PLP and some local council groups. The PLP of course has little power over anything. Quaint though your view is, you show little understanding of how the party really works in your strange references to the PLP - a body which has no formal or informal control over anything other than itself and barely even that.
    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    'Education' /QUOTE]

    "The leader and their (sic) office dictate most of what the rest of the Party's organisational structures do..."
    "..and even more so under the present leadership where the NEC, almost all other committees, the full time officers of the Party, all Special Advisors and the vast majority of the membership are under Corbyn's control.."

    Where did you dredge up this absolute nonsense? Take your nose out of Murdoch's press and try to get a grip on reality. I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry when I come across such profound ignorance. It is even more shocking when the very press which you use as your information sources is full of talk of 'rebellion' against Corbyn on a daily basis. Why is it that the witch hunt against supposed anti-Semites is directed exclusively against Corbyn's allies - within the PLP and without.
    A goldfish could come up with a more logical argument than the preposterous nonsense which you have written above.
    Are you even aware that winning parliamentary seats to form a government is the aim of the entire party structure? It isn't a social club, you know.


    "...the dominance of the Trade Unions by key Corbyn allies..."
    Are you living in the 1970s? Who put this stuff in your head? Did you ever take a look at the current figures for trade union membership and where those unions stand politically?


    I suspect you are talking cobblers here. There's just enough 'resistance' among youtube administrators to protect this one clip for three years? Somehow though this plucky undercover resistance group couldn't save the other versions?

    I left the most moronic thing you wrote to the end. Did it ever enter your head that 300 hours of video are uploaded every single hour of every day to youtube or that 5,000,000,000 videos are watched there every day?
    Why on earth would it have to be a 'plucky undercover resistance group'? Why couldn't it just result from a general inability or unwillingness to check every single clip branded anti-Semitic by anonymous complainers. Clearly, you have no inkling about statistics and probabilities because, for you, everything has to boil down to some 'conspiracy'.
    You really ought to be deeply embarrassed about putting your name to this stuff - all in the name of making a feeble attempt at justifying attacks on the one party leader this country has produced in the last few decades who is willing and able to stand up to a racist abomination which resulted from British colonialism.

    1. I don't read newspapers - of any kind, let alone 'Murdoch's press'. But it's entirely unsurprising that you decided to make up the notion that I do, it's in keeping with the rest of the ignorant and ill informed pish you've posted.

    2. Are you even a party member because the crap you are talking about it is either utterly dishonest or utterly dumb. Either way your infatuation with Magic Grandad is not enough to overcome the reality of how the Labour Party works. What would I know about it though, I've only been a member since age 18.

    3. Please point me to where on this thread - pace the sentence above - I have made any attempt to justify attacks on Corbyn. I merely pointed out that he is the person who has been leader while the suspensions and expulsions you regret have taken place.

    4. What exactly is it you believe to be a racist abomination?

    5. Are you as disgusted by the attacks of Hamas and Hezbollah as you are by the behaviour of the Israeli state?

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