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    I've just done a one off donation of £25 which in on top of my monthly sub. I agree with the point you make but Hibs clearly have an issue with wealthy fans not putting money in (or not enough!). Aberdeen have a lower average attendance than us so raising £500,000 in a month doesn't seem something they've achieved unless its coming via sizable sums from a few wealthy individuals. Same with Hearts, same with Hamilton, same with Ross County, and so on, so many clubs have lottery winners, business owners and the like donating large sums. We don't seem to have that, at least the way it seems. I don't mind us funding it via the "normal" people (obviously as I'm a member of HSL) but it seems we are struggling to get the numbers and it seems we don't have wealthy fans making donations either.

    Can't help but feel that most fans won't come forward until Farmer and Petrie are gone (primarily Petrie). We've healed the broken bond between fans and the club but fans are still suspicious of how money is being spent within the club. The repayment to Farmer is a big issue as well - we can say the money is going to playing squad but we are also giving money to Farmer because of Petrie and his mismanagement years. Club are worse off annually due to this repayment so we are donating money to get us challenging from a weakened position...Hibs still seem to be distancing themselves from HSL (to a degree), I assume to try to avoid the Petrie/Farmer link so its clear more work needs to be done because the club should be driving the initiative in my eyes (not necessarily directly involved but be a partner in the project).

    Anyway, hope more fans join up and get us moving forward!
    Mad hatter
    Thank you for your continued support of HSL and we can tell be your comments that you are right behind the cause.
    Your thoughts about our fellow supporters may or may not be correct, it's really hard to say.
    In relation to Aberdeen it's not known how their funding is made up but it would appear that over 3000 foot soldiers have stepped forward to support Derek. We have under 2000 so it would be great if we could drive this forward to at least 3000 in the very near future. As FOH have shown a large number of small donators can create a stable environment rather than large ad hoc donations from wealthy people.
    The Club have already given our message to over 30000 fans on their database but as always the best sales people are our existing members who can contact fellow supporters.
    Our ability to challenge right at the top next season is in our own hands, or at least let's give Neil a chance.
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    Thank you for your continued support of HSL and we can tell be your comments that you are right behind the cause.
    Your thoughts about our fellow supporters may or may not be correct, it's really hard to say.
    In relation to Aberdeen it's not known how their funding is made up but it would appear that over 3000 foot soldiers have stepped forward to support Derek. We have under 2000 so it would be great if we could drive this forward to at least 3000 in the very near future. As FOH have shown a large number of small donators can create a stable environment rather than large ad hoc donations from wealthy people.
    The Club have already given our message to over 30000 fans on their database but as always the best sales people are our existing members who can contact fellow supporters.
    Our ability to challenge right at the top next season is in our own hands, or at least let's give Neil a chance.
    HSL
    Absolutely, I want Scottish football and more importantly Hibs to be inspired by German football - fan ownership and clubs being backed by the fans. As a club we need to start doing well in Europe and get better sponsorship deals and create a bigger profile. I think it was revealed that Scottish football gets less than the Austrian league for TV, that is a worrying prospect for all clubs in Scotland. I hope more fans start to sign up to HSL in order to facilitate a move towards consistent performances in the domestic trophies (3rd-5th at least every season, challenging for cups) and ability to stay in Europe Competition for a few months each time. Success on the pitch is the only sustainable way to grow the club.

    TV and sponsorship don’t seem to be keen on Scottish football, my fear is a lot of fans will use TV and the media to inform their opinion on things and many of these fans won’t use the web to inform their opinions. Think that’s why we have a high proportion of Scottish people slating football here and hyping up English football. Hope HSL and local football fans can rise above this and get behind Hibs. I speak positively about HSL but it’s difficult to reach fans that are sceptical and don’t use the internet, as I’m sure you know! Hopefully HSL are seeing an increase in momentum after a good season.

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    Surely you've just answered your own question about a compelling reason to contribute?

    We do need to try and match income generated by Hearts and Aberdeen fans, to plough into the playing side going forward. Is that not hugely important and on its own reason enough?

    The new HSL website is great, easy to login, navigate and provide the information needed.
    It is a compelling reason - that’s why I do contribute but my point is that there needs to be a better rallying call from HSL because currently we don’t have the mass participation that will make a material difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Mainwaring View Post
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    It is a compelling reason - that’s why I do contribute but my point is that there needs to be a better rallying call from HSL because currently we don’t have the mass participation that will make a material difference
    What would you suggest as that rallying call?

    HSL are more vocal now than ever and there are a number of fans also banging the drum to try and support their activities

    If there is a magic bullet out there that will transform uptake there are plenty of folk more than willing to fire it.

    All ideas help and suggestions appreciated

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    Isn't the rallying call fairly clear? Hearts are being propped up by approx 1.5m (I think) in FOH contributions and Aberdeen by 500k. If we don't match that then we will fall behind. Some might see that as forcing people's hand a bit but it's the bare facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveF View Post
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    Isn't the rallying call fairly clear? Hearts are being propped up by approx 1.5m (I think) in FOH contributions and Aberdeen by 500k. If we don't match that then we will fall behind. Some might see that as forcing people's hand a bit but it's the bare facts.
    You would think so, but for whatever reason it’s not getting the traction we need

    I am sick of folk telling me that that’s because we haven’t had an admin event

    Neither have Aberdeen but in a city suffering from the effects of a sharp fall in oil and gas production they have still managed to recruit more than 1000. Members more than us!

    Whether we like it or not money talks and we need to generate more to compete with our peers
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    You would think so, but for whatever reason it’s not getting the traction we need

    I am sick of folk telling me that that’s because we haven’t had an admin event

    Neither have Aberdeen but in a city suffering from the effects of a sharp fall in oil and gas production they have still managed to recruit more than 1000. Members more than us!

    Whether we like it or not money talks and we need to generate more to compete with our peers
    You are absolutely correct.
    Over the coming weeks/months the Club Board will do what they have done for the last three years and they will support our Manager as much as the possibly can with the funds at their disposal.
    What we have to recognise is that our two closest rivals have a Fans scheme that is generating additional funds to supplement normal income.
    3400 Aberdeen fans have responded and have already raised £500,000 to put at Derek Mcinnes' disposal. HSL donators are trying to help Neil Lennon. We continue to make good progress and are attracting new Members every day however if we want to help Neil and share his ambition we too need to attract more supporters to the cause. The reality is that our "fan scheme" is the most attractive of them all. So please, even if you do not want to commit a regular amount visit www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk and you can make a one off single donation. If 10000 Season ticket holders paid just £25 we could add £250,000 to his budget.
    HSL

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    You are absolutely correct.
    Over the coming weeks/months the Club Board will do what they have done for the last three years and they will support our Manager as much as the possibly can with the funds at their disposal.
    What we have to recognise is that our two closest rivals have a Fans scheme that is generating additional funds to supplement normal income.
    3400 Aberdeen fans have responded and have already raised £500,000 to put at Derek Mcinnes' disposal. HSL donators are trying to help Neil Lennon. We continue to make good progress and are attracting new Members every day however if we want to help Neil and share his ambition we too need to attract more supporters to the cause. The reality is that our "fan scheme" is the most attractive of them all. So please, even if you do not want to commit a regular amount visit www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk and you can make a one off single donation. If 10000 Season ticket holders paid just £25 we could add £250,000 to his budget.
    HSL
    Any reason why you don’t have the option to add £25 to your season ticket price, donate to HSL?

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    Any reason why you don’t have the option to add £25 to your season ticket price, donate to HSL?
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    We did put this proposal to the Club but some technology issues prevented it this year. They are looking into it for next year.
    Of course supporters can achieve the same end goal here www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk

    HSL

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    So how did Aberdeen get 3000 to sign up and in what space time? Any lessons or tips we can pick up from their efforts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Billy
    We did put this proposal to the Club but some technology issues prevented it this year. They are looking into it for next year.
    Of course supporters can achieve the same end goal here www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk

    HSL
    Thanks for the response

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    So how did Aberdeen get 3000 to sign up and in what space time? Any lessons or tips we can pick up from their efforts?
    Dave
    It would seem that it was launched on 1/4/18 and they attracted 3000 in the month of April. There are some observations to be made :
    1. One of their publicly declared motives was to respond to FOH and HSL
    2. They are offering a lot of "goodies" which of course do come at a cost.
    3. They are making it clear that these funds will be directed to the football manager.
    HSL

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    It would seem that it was launched on 1/4/18 and they attracted 3000 in the month of April. There are some observations to be made :
    1. One of their publicly declared motives was to respond to FOH and HSL
    2. They are offering a lot of "goodies" which of course do come at a cost.
    3. They are making it clear that these funds will be directed to the football manager.
    HSL
    That's a great take up in just over a month and shows that the hard nosed approach of 'do it of be left behind' has worked in their situation.

    Have HSL looked at the incentives avenue? By that I mean approaching companies in return for advertising space on your site, in mailshots etc...

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    Signed up for the monthly DD scheme,Planning to make an extra 1 off payment before the season starts

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    Had a previous DD that stopped after i paid the £225.

    Started a new £10 DD just now, onwards and upwards fellow Hibees.

    45 AND RISING

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    Quote Originally Posted by bod View Post
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    Signed up for the monthly DD scheme,Planning to make an extra 1 off payment before the season starts
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    Had a previous DD that stopped after i paid the £225.

    Started a new £10 DD just now, onwards and upwards fellow Hibees.

    Good work

    It will literally take you all of two minutes to make a donation. https://t.co/3WuJCDt2gj

    GGTTH

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    OfficialHSL - Any word on when the bug on the new site will be fixed, to allow people to increase their monthly donations?

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    OfficialHSL - Any word on when the bug on the new site will be fixed, to allow people to increase their monthly donations?
    HibeeMassive

    We understand that this problem has been resolved with a workaround. It was caused where Members' Direct Debit had become "inactive" - in other words they had cancelled their Direct Debit.

    If you are still having problems can you email us at info@hiberniansupporters.co.uk and we can resolve it.

    HSL

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    It's kinda interesting in a sort of statistical way when you look at the views this thread has had and compare with any of a hundred others, you start to see that it does not generate all that many views.
    I contribute but cannot help thinking if this was just a fund to help buy players (I know it is in a roundabout sort of way) without the share's etc, then a heck of a lot more people would invest at any given time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    HibeeMassive

    We understand that this problem has been resolved with a workaround. It was caused where Members' Direct Debit had become "inactive" - in other words they had cancelled their Direct Debit.

    If you are still having problems can you email us at info@hiberniansupporters.co.uk and we can resolve it.

    HSL
    Hi, thanks for the feedback. Definitely not the case for me (payment still being made monthly) but still having the same issue.

    Will drop you a mail.

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    It's kinda interesting in a sort of statistical way when you look at the views this thread has had and compare with any of a hundred others, you start to see that it does not generate all that many views.
    I contribute but cannot help thinking if this was just a fund to help buy players (I know it is in a roundabout sort of way) without the share's etc, then a heck of a lot more people would invest at any given time.
    A Hi-Bee

    Thank you for your observations, we too have thought about this. The fact is that funds that are donated to HSL are directed straight to our football Manager. Perhaps our thread Title is not clear enough or bold/brash enough. Would be great to have suggestions and we would be happy to start a new thread urging our fellow supporters to help Neil buy/retain players. Starter for 10 :

    "Are you willing to give some money to help Neil ?" ( straight to the point )

    Views ?

    HSL

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    A Hi-Bee

    Thank you for your observations, we too have thought about this. The fact is that funds that are donated to HSL are directed straight to our football Manager. Perhaps our thread Title is not clear enough or bold/brash enough. Would be great to have suggestions and we would be happy to start a new thread urging our fellow supporters to help Neil buy/retain players. Starter for 10 :

    "Are you willing to give some money to help Neil ?" ( straight to the point )

    Views ?

    HSL

    In fairness, this and the "Come Fly With Me" one has had a fair number of Views - hopefully that corresponds to an influx of new recruits! I personally do not have an answer to why our numbers aren't higher yet (even with views on the forums). I sincerely hope many fans are not doing the same as I did originally - the "why should I?" questions that normally end with the answer "it's alright, others can take that on". If you cannot afford it, you should categorically not give any money to a football club, whether that be Hibs or any other - personal and social wellbeing comes first. However, if you are able to put £5-£10 a month aside for Hibs so that we can all collectively enjoy a better team on the park...I'm not sure what the debate/procrastination comes from.

    We all have the choice to make but if Lennon is getting the biggest budget ever and we have close to 2000 fans donating...if we can increase that number we have the opportunity to share the load and also enjoy any success that comes of it.

    Sad as it is, it appears HSL sometimes seems to get a bad rep and anything with HSL in the title gets less views than it should. Disheartening when we have so many debating new signings on another thread when we can directly influence the player budget via reading other threads!

    Looking at the long game, it may take reaching the stage of being able to have an HSL member on the Hibs board for some to come forward and donate. This is just me theorizing because I cannot see why we don't have more of our ST holders donating (even one-off donations). Hope more people get on board though!

    P.S. This isn't a dig at anybody not donating, it is just that 2000 out of 13000-14000 is a lower percentage than that I would assume can afford to give a little extra on top of their ST, travel, drink, food involved with attending the games. We all have our choices but I personally would have expected more to be inspired by Lennon, Leeann and the direction the club are going in - we are in Europe and very nearly finished 2nd or 3rd! This is a great time for us all to push our club on a bit.

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    Can only speak for myself, and I know there are plenty who aren’t interested in the shareholding aspect of HSL, but for me that is an extra incentive to get involved and donate. I want us to have that chunk of the club collectively in our safe hands so that no one chancer or charlatan can come in and sweep the rug out from below us as has happened other clubs. Hibs belong to us. There will never be another Mercer situation.

    The fact that the money goes straight to Lennon’s budget is an added bonus.

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    I'm starting to think the remit/journey and end game needs to be clearer.

    From the original Q&As I read or heard, I know that all the money is aimed at helping the manager (up to him how he uses it) and that Sir Tom F and Rod Petrie (to a lesser extent) are allowing their share holding to diminish as new shares are passed to HSL in return for that money... I also know that HSL have already stated that we'd have a vote about what we should do once the share holding target is reached... ie do we stop or do we continue to contribute towards "sporting ambition" regardless of the fact that no new shares would be forthcoming.

    Big question is how to make that all snappy and to the point so that folks "get it"



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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    A Hi-Bee

    Thank you for your observations, we too have thought about this. The fact is that funds that are donated to HSL are directed straight to our football Manager. Perhaps our thread Title is not clear enough or bold/brash enough. Would be great to have suggestions and we would be happy to start a new thread urging our fellow supporters to help Neil buy/retain players. Starter for 10 :

    "Are you willing to give some money to help Neil ?" ( straight to the point )

    Views ?

    HSL
    Not sure really but the message does seem to get cross-wired along the way, I aint no marketing Guru far from it but perhaps a headline such as:-

    Could you afford to give £10.00 to help Neil Lennon secure the players that he needs to take Hibs forward. Can you afford not too.

    All cash raised goes straight to the manager’s fund to help get the players we need at Hibernian to take us onward to the next stage, it may even help to keep some of our favourite players at Easter Road a little bit longer.

    Your help as a supporter can go a long way to making this possible.

    The rest is all just noise to a lot of people in my humble opinion.
    Perhaps others can suggest better, but it is a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Can I ask why there is not Hsl tables on the concourse in each stand before games ?
    Has this been requested & if so what is HFC position ?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by trev the hat View Post
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    Can I ask why there is not Hsl tables on the concourse in each stand before games ?
    Has this been requested & if so what is HFC position ?
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    Trev the hat.

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    Trev the hat.

    We have been in all of the areas around ER over the last 3 years or so, and we would hope to be more visual in the coming season or so.

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    Appreciate the quick response, thank you.
    I’m a long term season holder in the East Stand & have never seen any Hsl publicity before games whatsoever.
    Imo you should have tables directly after the turnstiles for sign ups, possibly directing supporters to areas more suitable. Even prior to entry given the concourse area hired out to La Favorits etc.
    Next to the East Stand Stones ?
    As a St Pats branch member I’d also like to see a designated table within HSA prior to every home game.
    I’d also be willing to contribute to any of the above

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    Delighted that Jim Adie has been re-elected to board of HSL

    Very hard worker for it and the continuity he will provide is very important

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