Scottish Football

[Jones28]

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McArthur and McCarthy have both done well in England. Whittaker and Naismith had good careers down there too.

Ryan Fraser at Bournemouth

[Caversham Green]

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Barry McKay had a great start to his career at Nottingham forest, no idea how he’s done recently though?

Christoph Berra would need to be included in that bracket too but I didn’t want to start going back too far.

Sone Aluko was sold for £7.5m in the summer, not sure how that fits into my point but when you see how bang average he was up here i feel it’s relevant somehow.

I don't disagree with your general sentiment but Aluko is a bad example. Bang average would be a huge improvement on how he's playing now.

If bang rubbish was a thing, that's what he'd be.

[patlowe]

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Love it......

I wasn’t there today but from the radio it sounded like it was another terrific advert for our game.

Aside from today’s game though, league title will be won later than in the English premiership, championship and the German top division. There’s genuine excitement about who is going to get the European places, same with the relegation battle.

Aside from the big two.......hibs are selling out, hearts nearly filling their tin pot wee stadium, Aberdeen moving to a new stadium and then you see things like the st Mirren fans doing a big organised march to the stadium, it’s absolutely brilliant to see.

On top of that you’re seeing nearly all players that go down south forging out great careers for themselves which shows we’re both bringing through good young players and also giving them a platform to play.

IMO the game up here really is on the up. It’s a shame more of the media don’t try to promote it as well as they should. Michael Stewart is the only Scottish pundit that talks up our game, Chris Sutton also tries his best even if he is a wind up merchant.

Anyway, starting to waffle now but sure you get my point.

Mon’ the revolution.........

Great post and totally agree. While watching the game yesterday I was also struck by how unique a product we have up here - fast, committed, attacking, exciting football with a raucous, authentic atmosphere.

It's predominantly homegrown as well. On that note, I reckon you could mould a decent Scotland side simply from the players that were on the pitch at ER yesterday: Gordon, Whittaker, Hendry, Hanlon, Tierney, Boyle, McGinn, McGeouch, Brown, McGregor, Griffiths. Not a realistic team but worth highlighting the homegrown talent on show, not to mention those not playing (eg Armstrong) or those who maybe aren't at that level but epitomise the positives in our game (eg Stevenson).

[SirDavidsNapper]

Meanwhile in English football

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[Danderhall Hibs]

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The top teams in the SPL are decent and could maybe make a fist of it in the English championship.

Given the money the EPL teams get from TV etc, I have no doubt Celtc would be challenging at the very top.

Otherwise, the rest of Scottish football is poor.

Give the money the EPL teams get to Scottish teams and the likes of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen would challenge Burnley, Stoke, Bournemouth etc.

[murray26]

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Love it......

I wasn’t there today but from the radio it sounded like it was another terrific advert for our game.

Aside from today’s game though, league title will be won later than in the English premiership, championship and the German top division. There’s genuine excitement about who is going to get the European places, same with the relegation battle.

Aside from the big two.......hibs are selling out, hearts nearly filling their tin pot wee stadium, Aberdeen moving to a new stadium and then you see things like the st Mirren fans doing a big organised march to the stadium, it’s absolutely brilliant to see.

On top of that you’re seeing nearly all players that go down south forging out great careers for themselves which shows we’re both bringing through good young players and also giving them a platform to play.

IMO the game up here really is on the up. It’s a shame more of the media don’t try to promote it as well as they should. Michael Stewart is the only Scottish pundit that talks up our game, Chris Sutton also tries his best even if he is a wind up merchant.

Anyway, starting to waffle now but sure you get my point.

Mon’ the revolution.........

Your right.. we’re to quick to put ourselves down up here.. love reading positive posts like this and %100 spot on..

[southsider]

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Spot on, I love Scottish football. There's a real charm and rawness about it. I hope the new TV deal reflects the direction it seems to be heading in.

The Sottish league is still to be won ( although will be nx week ) The Spanish, German and English leagues have been wrapped up.

[Eyrie]

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Give the money the EPL teams get to Scottish teams and the likes of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen would challenge Burnley, Stoke, Bournemouth etc.

I'd see those three clubs as varying between mid-Championship and mid-Premiership, depending on their managers and playing squads at any given moment.

Celtc and a well run Sevco would be Premiership clubs chasing cups and the Europa League with ambitions to break into the top six if they get the right backing.

[NAE NOOKIE]

If we could put on games like yesterday more often then everything would be rosy, two teams going for it inside a packed noisy stadium.

As has been said our game isn't talked up enough, over half the teams in the league still have something to play for with 4 games to go and crowds are on the up all over the country .... I'm willing to bet that overall most premiership clubs will have a decent average if held up against the last few years and Hibs are way way up on the last few years.

If only the dolts running and reporting on our game would wake up from their stupor and highlight the positives, of which there are many

[beensaidbefore]

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Look at almost any player that moves to the English championship, we’re a great market for them and have been for a number of years.

Andy Robertson
Liam Lindsay
Barry Douglas
Johnny Russel (I know he’s moved on now)
Craig Forsyth (think that’s the name of the guy that moved to derby?)
Scott Fraser
Callum Paterson

Can probably still include the likes of Steven Fletcher in there too. Sure there are others that I’ve missed but there’s plenty of examples.

Charlie Adam?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I'd see those three clubs as varying between mid-Championship and mid-Premiership, depending on their managers and playing squads at any given moment.

Celtc and a well run Sevco would be Premiership clubs chasing cups and the Europa League with ambitions to break into the top six if they get the right backing.

same as the clubs I used in my example. Chuck in anyone in the bottom 14 of the premier league and we’d be on a par with them.

When the broadcasters do comparisons now they’re basing it on where everyone is now - however on a level playing field we (or dare I say Hearts) would be a bigger draw for attracting players than Burnley, Stoke, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Wigan, Swansea etc etc.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Only Man United are bigger clubs than Celtic and Rangers. With the financial backing they'd be winning leagues down there with the best players and managers in the world. Will never happen though. Pleasing.

[Is It On....]

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Great post and totally agree. While watching the game yesterday I was also struck by how unique a product we have up here - fast, committed, attacking, exciting football with a raucous, authentic atmosphere.

It's predominantly homegrown as well. On that note, I reckon you could mould a decent Scotland side simply from the players that were on the pitch at ER yesterday: Gordon, Whittaker, Hendry, Hanlon, Tierney, Boyle, McGinn, McGeouch, Brown, McGregor, Griffiths. Not a realistic team but worth highlighting the homegrown talent on show, not to mention those not playing (eg Armstrong) or those who maybe aren't at that level but epitomise the positives in our game (eg Stevenson).

That line-up would an improvement on the current Scottish side....our edge would be that we would play like a club side..similar to Northern Ireland..

[malcolm]

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Only Man United are bigger clubs than Celtic and Rangers. With the financial backing they'd be winning leagues down there with the best players and managers in the world. Will never happen though. Pleasing.

Personally I’d like to think they’d be more like Newcastle or even Leeds.. in particular rangers who outwith a rather odious west coast/ulster drawing factor don’t really have much to offer and nothing that the wider world might find attractive - the only attraction that they have as a pair down south is a bigged up single fixture depicted as some kind of tribal war rather than a football match.

[matty_f]

I'd much rather watch a Scottish game than the vast majority of EPL games.

[Michael]

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Personally I’d like to think they’d be more like Newcastle or even Leeds.. in particular rangers who outwith a rather odious west coast/ulster drawing factor don’t really have much to offer and nothing that the wider world might find attractive - the only attraction that they have as a pair down south is a bigged up single fixture depicted as some kind of tribal war rather than a football match.

I'd say Celtic are a global club and probably the 7th biggest club in Britain. Obviously, it's subjective though. Rangers have never won the European cup and won't really have any support outside Glasgow and glory hunters in Fife etc.

[Scott Allan Key]

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I'd say Celtic are a global club and probably the 7th biggest club in Britain. Obviously, it's subjective though. Rangers have never won the European cup and won't really have any support outside Glasgow and glory hunters in Fife etc.

Rangers are the favoured ‘British’ team in Scotland for a lot of the Union Jack emblazoned right wing numpties that populate many English football grounds sadly. They would play on these traditions to draw support across Britain if in EPL. I can remember off the top of my head, Aston Villa and Chelsea supporters who’ve expressed allegiance to the Hun when Scottish football was raised

[Scouse Hibee]

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Only Man United are bigger clubs than Celtic and Rangers. With the financial backing they'd be winning leagues down there with the best players and managers in the world. Will never happen though. Pleasing.

That's some statement and totally incorrect. Only Man Utd bigger than those two!

[Brizo]

I gave up my sky sports years back and haven't missed watching EPL at all. Most top games were overhyped and more often than not sterile encounters with the teams cancelling each other out. Games involving two lower EPL teams were usually dull and boring. EPL and English Championship may be technically superior but for pure entertainment value I think our footballs much better.

The immoral amounts of cash in English fitba, the total cynicism of players and managers, ST prices at many clubs which prevent traditional fans attending plus the way a lot of the top clubs are now essentially franchises... they can keep it.

For all its faults , and there are many, Scottish football as a product is much better than its often given credit for.

[SirDavidsNapper]

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That's some statement and totally incorrect. Only Man Utd bigger than those two!

In terms of fanbase i don't think there is tbh. I'd place Liverpools behind in 4th. Did Celtic not take quarter of a million fans to Seville? Rangers the same in Manchester. Hate them but they're gigantic clubs.

[IGRIGI]

If Celtic and Rangers were in the Premiership with the money on offer Celtic would be up there with UTD in terms of size, Rangers on par with Arsenal / Chelsea.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I'd much rather watch a Scottish game than the vast majority of EPL games.

Same here, football for me is about the emotional bond between me and my club. I've no emotional bond with any English club and therefore have no interest in the game there. You could offer me tickets and free transport and accomodation to watch the game that would decide the English Premiership or Cowdenbeath vs Hibs on a rainy November night. I'd be heading north with my big jacket.

[malcolm]

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Rangers are the favoured ‘British’ team in Scotland for a lot of the Union Jack emblazoned right wing numpties that populate many English football grounds sadly. They would play on these traditions to draw support across Britain if in EPL. I can remember off the top of my head, Aston Villa and Chelsea supporters who’ve expressed allegiance to the Hun when Scottish football was raised

So say all those villa and Chelsea fans not actually supporting their team for normal reasons will drop their allegiance based on a love of the British establishment, in favour of a similar allegiance for, in english terms, a backwater team up in jockland

They are not so much big as beastly and big in english terms is no guarantee of success - the best comparison is the big club up north - Newcastle and they don’t have the downside of the touch of the beast about them. Celtic have some so called romantic view of their roots but not sure how helpful that is in England ..

Not sure why folk are happy to accept and peddle the self important fairy tale of the real brothers Grimm

[Crazyhorse]

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In terms of fanbase i don't think there is tbh. I'd place Liverpools behind in 4th. Did Celtic not take quarter of a million fans to Seville? Rangers the same in Manchester. Hate them but they're gigantic clubs.

Yeah if you believe the Daily Record and Prick Young. It's Wizard of Oz propaganda bollox from the bigot twins.

The gruesome two are dwarfed even by clubs like Leicester in the growing football markets of China/Far East, Sub-Saharan Africa and the MENA.

[CropleyWasGod]

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In terms of fanbase i don't think there is tbh. I'd place Liverpools behind in 4th. Did Celtic not take quarter of a million fans to Seville? Rangers the same in Manchester. Hate them but they're gigantic clubs.

No they didn't

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[1van Sprou7e]

Imo Celtic and rangers are only eclipsed by man utd and Liverpool in Britain, maybe arsenal too

The likes of city, chelsea, Tottenham have always been fairly big clubs but are not institutions in the same way that the bigot brothers are

[blackpoolhibs]

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Imo Celtic and rangers are only eclipsed by man utd and Liverpool in Britain, maybe arsenal too

The likes of city, chelsea, Tottenham have always been fairly big clubs but are not institutions in the same way that the bigot brothers are

I read this a lot about these clubs, and have never understood what it actually meant?

[heretoday]

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Imo Celtic and rangers are only eclipsed by man utd and Liverpool in Britain, maybe arsenal too

The likes of city, chelsea, Tottenham have always been fairly big clubs but are not institutions in the same way that the bigot brothers are

I think you'd soon get involved in a row if you came out with that down south.

Especially in North London. And Manchester!

[heretoday]

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I read this a lot about these clubs, and have never understood what it actually meant?

It's where they belong.

[1van Sprou7e]

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I think you'd soon get involved in a row if you came out with that down south.

Especially in North London. And Manchester!

And Manchester?

I really struggle to see how city are bigger than either club but suppose it all depends on how you measure club size