Why the road closed?

[SaulGoodman]

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The well known Hibs supporter who drove down the pavement- I was there, it was daft to the point of ridiculous, but he wasn't driving at people, seen much worse on the road, yet someone's priority after a famous win was to film this, then to grass him up to the first polis men he encountered, last seen giving a statement on ER.

Quite right whoever filmed it should grass him up! ****ing idiot should have his license ripped up.

[Just Alf]

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Quite right whoever filmed it should grass him up! ****ing idiot should have his license ripped up.

Agree!

Rather than driving down the empty pavement he should've driven down the busy road filled wi pedestrians!



PS... just to be clear, I didn't actually see it today, but similar HAS happened multiple times in the past.

[Billychaotic182]

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@Billychaotic182, you don’t say where you approached from. The only place that late you could have got up St Clair Street was from ER itself. Also - apologies if this sounds harsh - why did you think you’d be able to drive right up to the stadium just over half an hour before kick off?
I think a few other folk have already covered it off but you’ve probably sussed that a wee bit more forward planning could have prevented your predicament.

I left Carnoustie at 9am. Traffic wasn’t great and as I mentioned it was my first time driving. I expected that there was a chance we might not get a space I didn’t expect the whole road to be closed and a lack of any information from the Stewards who were manning the barriers. All this is a lesson for us. We approached from the bottom, past Tesco. I appreciate that with 35 mins till kick off that spaces would be tight but I also was unsure of how many spaces hibs also allow for blue badge holders and if there is alternative parking for these supporters.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I left Carnoustie at 9am. Traffic wasn’t great and as I mentioned it was my first time driving. I expected that there was a chance we might not get a space I didn’t expect the whole road to be closed and a lack of any information from the Stewards who were manning the barriers. All this is a lesson for us. We approached from the bottom, past Tesco. I appreciate that with 35 mins till kick off that spaces would be tight but I also was unsure of how many spaces hibs also allow for blue badge holders and if there is alternative parking for these supporters.

there's actually a small part in one of the units car parks near the bottom of st.clair st opposite where the houses start, for blue badge holders, i've no idea who runs it and if it's just an overflow or for a small fee


keep that in mind for your next visit :) but i would recommend at least an hour before the game ko

[Billychaotic182]

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there's actually a small part in one of the units car parks near the bottom of st.clair st opposite where the houses start, for blue badge holders, i've no idea who runs it and if it's just an overflow or for a small fee


keep that in mind for your next visit :) but i would recommend at least an hour before the game ko

Thanks very much. I’ll definitely look into that! Cheers

[snedzuk]

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Thanks very much. I’ll definitely look into that! Cheers

The usual arrangement is that st clair street, albion road and hawkhill avenue are barriered 30 mins before kick off. For some reason this didnt happen at the recent hamilton evening game and thats why I say usual.

If the council accept the case for trams to go down leith walk then there will be a lengthy closure on the walk - whether hibernian are involved in any dialogue about that I dont know but it will impact on those that drive to games.

[Sioux]

When there's something like 10,000 people using St Clair St after a game there should be no movement of vehicles, including those parked on that street, until the crowd have all but dispersed. That is common sense. I don't use St Clair St but is that what usually happens?

[southern hibby]

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It’s amazing how many drivers think driving through a large crowd to save a few minutes is acceptable. Patience is a virtue.

As much as I respect your point of view maybe ( and I’m a pedestrian too) if pedestrians showed a bit of patience and walked on the pavement not on the roads and left cars on the road to drive then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

GGTTH

[southern hibby]

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When there's something like 10,000 people using St Clair St after a game there should be no movement of vehicles, including those parked on that street, until the crowd have all but dispersed. That is common sense. I don't use St Clair St but is that what usually happens?

Common sense too for pedestrians to walk on the pavement. I may be in a monority here but just cause we’ve been to the footy doesn’t make the roads around the stadium any more ours than it does for cars to pass through.

GGTTH

[southern hibby]

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It’s amazing how many drivers think driving through a large crowd to save a few minutes is acceptable. Patience is a virtue.

As much as I respect your point of view maybe ( and I’m a pedestrian too) if pedestrians showed a bit of patience and walked on the pavement not on the roads and left cars on the road to drive then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

GGTTH

[Sioux]

How can you get that many people exiting down St Clair St to walk only on the pavement. There's hardly enough space on the road?

[we are hibs]

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As much as I respect your point of view maybe ( and I’m a pedestrian too) if pedestrians showed a bit of patience and walked on the pavement not on the roads and left cars on the road to drive then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

GGTTH

You're expecting thousands of fans to walk on a narrow pavement?

[hibby6270]

The whole point is that for Cat A games, there are only 2 exit roads available for fans to exit - St Clair Street and Hawkhill Avenue. Albion Road is always blocked off by the police cordon barrier.

This inevitably leads to 10-15K punters having to use 2 out of the normal 3 routes to get away from the stadium. It’s bound to cause congestion and the only “safe” option is for fans to use the road to go down. The suggestion that “everyone should use the pavements” is just ludicrous and indeed would be imo more dangerous than the gauntlet we have to walk just now with the car drivers trying to weave their way through a throng of people.

By the time people get to the foot of St CS, people start to disperse in different directions to Easter Road and St Clair Avenue. It probably takes 15-20 minutes for St Clair Street to clear? Surely those in cars can wait that wee bit of extra time to have a clearer run away from their parking spot.

Maybe a controversial statement but having a Blue Badge doesn’t give you some kind of priority to drive on the road as you see fit. Your priority is that you’ve got the benefit of having a parking spot close to the stadium which is totally fair enough given your status. Just don’t think that it gives you the right to be ignorant and somehow empower you with special permission to drive through crowds because it suits you to get on your way.

There. I’ve said it. Probably what a lot of people think but are scared to say it so as not to cause offence.

[southern hibby]

No I’m not what I’m on about is folk moaning about cars on roads when roads are for cars and pavements are for people. Maybe if padestrains showed as much restrain and walked on the pavement as they want drivers to show cause they canny be bothered waiting because there’s thousands and they’d be there for ages, but it’s al right for cars to wait.

Me thinks there’s lots of hypocrites about.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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After the game 100%. There were loads tooting their car horns a bit after full time to get let out.

I was in that queue of traffic at the bottom of St Clair street and folk had been held up for about 15 minutes by an incident of some sort at the junction of St Clair street and Easter Road which the police were trying to sort out and taking ages to do it. The horn tooting was actually pretty good humoured and by the smiles on the faces of the drivers around me everybody was treating it as having a bit of a laugh to relieve the boredom

From getting to my car at the bottom of St Clair street to arriving at Sheriffhall roundabout took an hour and a half .... that's an hour and a half FFS .... The traffic in Edinburgh yesterday was as bad as I've ever seen it.

[SaulGoodman]

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No I’m not what I’m on about is folk moaning about cars on roads when roads are for cars and pavements are for people. Maybe if padestrains showed as much restrain and walked on the pavement as they want drivers to show cause they canny be bothered waiting because there’s thousands and they’d be there for ages, but it’s al right for cars to wait.

Me thinks there’s lots of hypocrites about.

Wtf are you on about.

[Sir David Gray]

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The whole point is that for Cat A games, there are only 2 exit roads available for fans to exit - St Clair Street and Hawkhill Avenue. Albion Road is always blocked off by the police cordon barrier.

This inevitably leads to 10-15K punters having to use 2 out of the normal 3 routes to get away from the stadium. It’s bound to cause congestion and the only “safe” option is for fans to use the road to go down. The suggestion that “everyone should use the pavements” is just ludicrous and indeed would be imo more dangerous than the gauntlet we have to walk just now with the car drivers trying to weave their way through a throng of people.

By the time people get to the foot of St CS, people start to disperse in different directions to Easter Road and St Clair Avenue. It probably takes 15-20 minutes for St Clair Street to clear? Surely those in cars can wait that wee bit of extra time to have a clearer run away from their parking spot.

Maybe a controversial statement but having a Blue Badge doesn’t give you some kind of priority to drive on the road as you see fit. Your priority is that you’ve got the benefit of having a parking spot close to the stadium which is totally fair enough given your status. Just don’t think that it gives you the right to be ignorant and somehow empower you with special permission to drive through crowds because it suits you to get on your way.

There. I’ve said it. Probably what a lot of people think but are scared to say it so as not to cause offence.

Why would that be controversial?

I use a wheelchair and have a blue badge and don't see your statement as controversial in the slightest.

[speedy_gonzales]

The thread is starting to get a bit ranty now but I think we're forgetting that roads are not for the exclusive use of cars.
Roads were around for thousands of years before motorised carriages.
But this isn't about semantics, this is about common sense and safety.
The police will often close roads when there are large gatherings, concerts, rallies etc. This is nothing new. The Lawnmarket gets closed every night the Tattoo is on, Corstorphine Road is closed and traffic diverted when the Rugby Internationals and gigs are on at Murrayfield.
You can't possibly expect 15000 individuals to file down the proscribed infrastructure in a short period of time, safely.

So, right over might, let the numbers of folk disperse before opening the roads back up to vehicles,,,,

[southern hibby]

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Wtf are you on about.

Not sure what part of my threads you don’t understand. There’s folk on here on about drivers being patient yet so pedestrians can walk on the road.

Sorry but I was lead to believe that cars drive on roads pedestrians walk on pavements is that so hard to understand or am I not allowed an opinion because it differs from someone else’s.

GGTTH

[MartinfaePorty]

Is the main point not that the barriers were up anyway, so the driver would have had to wait, as the road was effectively closed? Even if the crowd had parted to let cars past they would have been held up. As it was he circumnavigated it by driving on the pavement and sneaking off down the road on the right.

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[SaulGoodman]

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Not sure what part of my threads you don’t understand. There’s folk on here on about drivers being patient yet so pedestrians can walk on the road.

Sorry but I was lead to believe that cars drive on roads pedestrians walk on pavements is that so hard to understand or am I not allowed an opinion because it differs from someone else’s.

GGTTH

Read the post I quoted again and see if it makes sense because every time I try and read it I feel like I'm having a stroke.

[lord bunberry]

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Not sure what part of my threads you don’t understand. There’s folk on here on about drivers being patient yet so pedestrians can walk on the road.

Sorry but I was lead to believe that cars drive on roads pedestrians walk on pavements is that so hard to understand or am I not allowed an opinion because it differs from someone else’s.

GGTTH

You’re either trolling or have never walked down St Clair after a game. There is absolutely no way everyone can fit on the pavement. What you are suggesting is preposterous and can’t possibly happen. Once you get to Easter road and people start heading off in different directions, walking on the road is the only option.

[hibby6270]

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Why would that be controversial?

I use a wheelchair and have a blue badge and don't see your statement as controversial in the slightest.

It’s maybe my perception nowadays that it is frowned upon to say anything against those who are disadvantaged in some way. e.g. - in this discussion about the rights or wrongs in treatment of disabled people versus able bodied people. There are many out there quick to say “oh you can’t say that” because it may offend, when the original meaning of a statement is made merely to get a point across. Political correctness not my strongest subject I’m afraid.

[Bishop Hibee]

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Not sure what part of my threads you don’t understand. There’s folk on here on about drivers being patient yet so pedestrians can walk on the road.

Sorry but I was lead to believe that cars drive on roads pedestrians walk on pavements is that so hard to understand or am I not allowed an opinion because it differs from someone else’s.

GGTTH

It’s not so much an opinion as a completely daft suggestion.The couple of hundred people at the most in cars should have priority over the thousands of pedestrians who disperse after about 10 minutes anyway? No chance. Car drivers should wait and the bam who drove along the pavement and dodged the barrier to save a few minutes should take a look at himself.

[ancient hibee]

I’m very impressed that so many disabled people are in their cars and ready to go while the street is full of able bodied people trudging along.Hope they’re not leaving early

[southern hibby]

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Read the post I quoted again and see if it makes sense because every time I try and read it I feel like I'm having a stroke.

Mate seriously mother was rushed into hospital last week with a stroke.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Common sense too for pedestrians to walk on the pavement. I may be in a monority here but just cause we’ve been to the footy doesn’t make the roads around the stadium any more ours than it does for cars to pass through.

GGTTH

The reason they close the road is because the volume of pedestrians exceeds the pavement capacity. Selfish and drivers will just have to wait.

[southern hibby]

Right here goes it’s not st Clair street that’s the problem it’s Easter Road and most roads along to Leith Walk folk walk on when there’s a perfectly good footpath.

If you walk on the road fine it doesn’t effect me as I’m a pedestrian too ( until I pick up the car further away ). But to expect cars to be put out cause there’s a game on is wrong.

Just because I’ve got a difference of opinion I’m trolling. I’m not I just feel as I’ve said cars on the road pedestrians on the pavement.

GGTTH

[southern hibby]

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It’s not so much an opinion as a completely daft suggestion.The couple of hundred people at the most in cars should have priority over the thousands of pedestrians who disperse after about 10 minutes anyway? No chance. Car drivers should wait and the bam who drove along the pavement and dodged the barrier to save a few minutes should take a look at himself.

Totally agree about the bam who drove on the pavement.

GGTTH

[lord bunberry]

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Right here goes it’s not st Clair street that’s the problem it’s Easter Road and most roads along to Leith Walk folk walk on when there’s a perfectly good footpath.

If you walk on the road fine it doesn’t effect me as I’m a pedestrian too ( until I pick up the car further away ). But to expect cars to be put out cause there’s a game on is wrong.

Just because I’ve got a difference of opinion I’m trolling. I’m not I just feel as I’ve said cars on the road pedestrians on the pavement.

GGTTH

But we’ve been discussing St Clair Street on this thread. You’ve only made it clear in your last post that you’re talking about other streets. FWIW I agree with you about the other streets, there’s mostly no need to be on the road.