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    Love Costa Teguise.
    Beaches are wonderful
    They are, but at this time of year they donít have any sun beds out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    They are, but at this time of year they donít have any sun beds out.
    1st world problems eh

    Beautiful wee cove along to the right (if facing the sea) beside the Blue Sea Costa Teguise Beach hotel.
    I could quite happily live there :-(
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    Interestingly here on the other side of the world, while Edinburgh/UK is having an extended winter, we in NZ have just had the hottest summer since records began, and even now, itís still pretty hot for being well into autum. 20C and sunny here in Wellington today and yesterday the high elsewhere was 28C!

    The weather does appear to be changing somewhat. However, having only been here 10 years and alive for 36, it could all just be a minor blip?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleeping giant View Post
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    1st world problems eh

    Beautiful wee cove along to the right (if facing the sea) beside the Blue Sea Costa Teguise Beach hotel.
    I could quite happily live there :-(
    I passed by there on Monday. My hotel is further along that coastal path. Itís absolutely stunning in that wee cove. The water was a a lovely shade of blue in the cove before it headed out into the ocean. There was hardly anyone in there either.

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    I've had hailstones, snow, sleet and rain today.

    And I've only been in Iceland for 2 hours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I passed by there on Monday. My hotel is further along that coastal path. Itís absolutely stunning in that wee cove. The water was a a lovely shade of blue in the cove before it headed out into the ocean. There was hardly anyone in there either.
    Not wanting to hijack the thread but there is a tiny wee cave in that cove . Great for bairns as you can sit in it right beside the water.

    Wish I was there now
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    My mini daffs have been out for a while but the big fellies are taking their time!

    Iím sure all my daffs were done and gone by Easter last year and while that was a couple of weeks later in 2017 it just shows how long winter has managed to hang on this time around!
    Gardening is a great way of measuring climate change. Those of us who've done it for any stretch of time can tell you that spring bulbs open earlier, trees blossom earlier and migrating birds arrive and leave at different times. And a lot of stately homes have gardening records that go back centuries that show what's going on is different.

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    Gardening is a great way of measuring climate change. Those of us who've done it for any stretch of time can tell you that spring bulbs open earlier, trees blossom earlier and migrating birds arrive and leave at different times. And a lot of stately homes have gardening records that go back centuries that show what's going on is different.
    Totally but as ever itís difficult to assess if itís just seasonal variations or part of a long term trend. This year for example I would say my garden is running at least 2-3 weeks later than last year in terms of the spring growth, bulb flowering and blossom.

    Clearly though Britain as a whole is warmer than it was back in the day. The concept of the likes of the Thames freezing over is probably near impossible these days. I may be wrong but I believe Vine Street was named after a roman vineyard that used to sit on the site. The Normans too were big on the vineyards yet English wine making largely disappeared for 400 years until well into the 1900ís.

    What Iím trying to say is that huge variations in weather of periods of hundreds of years is not unknown and that was well before any man made intervention. That said you would have to be totally bonkers to think that the human race has not caused any impact through its industrial scale burning of fossil fuels and massive injection of all sorts of chemicals into the environment.

    Environmental science is still amazingly Ďbasicí though and their models are continually being updated and evolved as they discover previous assumptions and weightingís were just plain wrong.

    But with all that said itís pretty damn clear the smart thing to do would be to strive to have as little impact on the natural order as possible so clean energy and pollution controls etc. are a total no brainier. What I donít agree with though is that being translated into pointless taxes that pretend to be green and using climate change to oppose the building of any and all new roads etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleeping giant View Post
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    Not wanting to hijack the thread but there is a tiny wee cave in that cove . Great for bairns as you can sit in it right beside the water.

    Wish I was there now
    I went past there yesterday, but I couldnít see the cave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I went past there yesterday, but I couldnít see the cave.
    You need to go into the cove as the opening faces the sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I've had hailstones, snow, sleet and rain today.

    And I've only been in Iceland for 2 hours!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Totally but as ever itís difficult to assess if itís just seasonal variations or part of a long term trend. This year for example I would say my garden is running at least 2-3 weeks later than last year in terms of the spring growth, bulb flowering and blossom.

    Clearly though Britain as a whole is warmer than it was back in the day. The concept of the likes of the Thames freezing over is probably near impossible these days. I may be wrong but I believe Vine Street was named after a roman vineyard that used to sit on the site. The Normans too were big on the vineyards yet English wine making largely disappeared for 400 years until well into the 1900ís.

    What Iím trying to say is that huge variations in weather of periods of hundreds of years is not unknown and that was well before any man made intervention. That said you would have to be totally bonkers to think that the human race has not caused any impact through its industrial scale burning of fossil fuels and massive injection of all sorts of chemicals into the environment.

    Environmental science is still amazingly Ďbasicí though and their models are continually being updated and evolved as they discover previous assumptions and weightingís were just plain wrong.

    But with all that said itís pretty damn clear the smart thing to do would be to strive to have as little impact on the natural order as possible so clean energy and pollution controls etc. are a total no brainier. What I donít agree with though is that being translated into pointless taxes that pretend to be green and using climate change to oppose the building of any and all new roads etc.
    I was a climate change denier until relatively recently. My argument then (as it is to an extent now) is that warming and cooling of Earth is a natural cycle... ice age = extended period of global cooling, end of ice age = period of global warming, etc.

    Where Iím at now is that human intervention has caused the natural cycle to speed up and intensify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive View Post
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    I was a climate change denier until relatively recently. My argument then (as it is to an extent now) is that warming and cooling of Earth is a natural cycle... ice age = extended period of global cooling, end of ice age = period of global warming, etc.

    Where Iím at now is that human intervention has caused the natural cycle to speed up and intensify.
    So it's gone into overdrive?

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    So it's gone into overdrive?
    Thank **** you didn't say that at one of Hibbyradge's dinner parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1875godsgift View Post
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    So it's gone into overdrive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Totally but as ever itís difficult to assess if itís just seasonal variations or part of a long term trend. This year for example I would say my garden is running at least 2-3 weeks later than last year in terms of the spring growth, bulb flowering and blossom.

    Clearly though Britain as a whole is warmer than it was back in the day. The concept of the likes of the Thames freezing over is probably near impossible these days. I may be wrong but I believe Vine Street was named after a roman vineyard that used to sit on the site. The Normans too were big on the vineyards yet English wine making largely disappeared for 400 years until well into the 1900ís.

    What Iím trying to say is that huge variations in weather of periods of hundreds of years is not unknown and that was well before any man made intervention. That said you would have to be totally bonkers to think that the human race has not caused any impact through its industrial scale burning of fossil fuels and massive injection of all sorts of chemicals into the environment.

    Environmental science is still amazingly Ďbasicí though and their models are continually being updated and evolved as they discover previous assumptions and weightingís were just plain wrong.

    But with all that said itís pretty damn clear the smart thing to do would be to strive to have as little impact on the natural order as possible so clean energy and pollution controls etc. are a total no brainier. What I donít agree with though is that being translated into pointless taxes that pretend to be green and using climate change to oppose the building of any and all new roads etc.
    As an academic in the field who writes and works with these models on a daily basis, I categorically disagree that they're basic (even given your use of '').

    And I wholly endorse the application of my science to drive policy and result in changes to the way we govern our country - just look at our renewables track record. We're world-leading in our progress toward a green energy system. That's far from pointless - what seems pointless to me is building mass new transit infrastructure on existing vehicles to the tune of billions of pounds, when hopefully fossil fuel driven mass-transit road systems will be a thing of the past (hopefully in my lifetime).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylar View Post
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    As an academic in the field who writes and works with these models on a daily basis, I categorically disagree that they're basic (even given your use of '').

    And I wholly endorse the application of my science to drive policy and result in changes to the way we govern our country - just look at our renewables track record. We're world-leading in our progress toward a green energy system. That's far from pointless - what seems pointless to me is building mass new transit infrastructure on existing vehicles to the tune of billions of pounds, when hopefully fossil fuel driven mass-transit road systems will be a thing of the past (hopefully in my lifetime).
    Ahh youíll need to excuse my brevity...it is a message board after all.

    When I say basic I donít mean that they are not complex or indeed that a lot of hard work has went into building the models but basic in the sense that there is still a lot of unknown interactions and reactions that mean the models are constantly needing revised. Only the other day I was reading about the revelation of how the methane under the artic might not impact climate change as much as thought:

    https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/...008540.article

    Or the nitrogen in bedrock and how that might effect the plant life that sucks up carbon dioxide:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/watts...tmosphere/amp/

    I also said I supported the move to green energy (and transport for that matter) what annoys me is the Gordon Brown style changes to vehicle excise duty or the pretence that air passenger duty was somehow a green tax etc.

    So no offence intended and I hope none taken but the perils of assuming forecasts or models are definitively a reflection of what will happen (think GDP forecasts!) was all I was trying to highlight.

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