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    NHS Trust Fined £2m

    Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust is fined £2million over safety breaches.

    What good does this fine actually serve? Taking £2m from an NHS trust that is already massively underfunded seems counter productive to me.


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    I'd tend to agree. And who gets the 2 million?

    Whilst there has to be some kind of action taken for rule breaches I'm not convinced monetary punishment is the way to go.

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    30 June 2016 - Following a review of the management team competencies, it is announced that the trust's boss Katrina Percy is to keep her job

    29 July 2016 - The BBC reveals the trust paid millions of pounds in contracts to companies owned by previous associates of Ms Percy

    7 October 2016 - Ms Percy resigns completely from the trust



    i hate stuff like this, absolutely stinks, but anyway..i'd like to know how the judge came up with the fines of 1mil for one deceased and 950k for the other i really don't get the sizeable amounts of the fines in the first place tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust is fined £2million over safety breaches.

    What good does this fine actually serve? Taking £2m from an NHS trust that is already massively underfunded seems counter productive to me.
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    As an NHS worker and one who has been responsible for hitting targets with financial implications, I have often thought it counter productive to fine trusts and expect more for less.
    Trusts do budget for this st the start of each financial year. I'm not sure what a more suitable punishment could be though. NHS England claim the fines go back into the health budget.

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    Whilst it may be considered counter-productive, the case was brought to court under health and safety legislation, following an HSE investigation. When itís a prosecution against a corporate body I think fines are the only sanction available in sentencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Whilst it may be considered counter-productive, the case was brought to court under health and safety legislation, following an HSE investigation. When itís a prosecution against a corporate body I think fines are the only sanction available in sentencing.
    In that light, it is the only correct outcome.

    However, no matter where the money goes, the important thing is to communicate the failure to those responsible, and take appropriate action (disciplinary, if appropriate).... as well as highlighting it to others who might, potentially, be in the same boat in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    In that light, it is the only correct outcome.

    However, no matter where the money goes, the important thing is to communicate the failure to those responsible, and take appropriate action (disciplinary, if appropriate).... as well as highlighting it to others who might, potentially, be in the same boat in the future.
    Definitely.

    One would hope and expect there was or will be some form of internal investigation to ensure lessons are learned and any negligence is dealt with appropriately. And a fine of this level is significant enough to send a clear message to other health boards.

    Iím not familiar with all the details of this case but Iíd also hope there was a clear message about self-reporting and that the act of doing so would still trigger sanctions but with a degree of mitigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Whilst it may be considered counter-productive, the case was brought to court under health and safety legislation, following an HSE investigation. When itís a prosecution against a corporate body I think fines are the only sanction available in sentencing.
    Yet again I have to dig out my old mantra .... "The Law is an Ass".

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    Ultimately there are not enough appointments available for the demand. I realise this case was different to breaches of targets but both result in fines. The entire system needs to be looked at as a whole by a cross party independent group led by people who understand the health system. The amount of money spent on "experts" is staggering and only ever offer short term solutions which never solve the issue. It's too important for political point scoring. Community support needs to be looked at urgently as there are beds in the hospitals that are have people in them who do note require acute care but there is no where for them to go. There will be a dozen patients who need the bed more.

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