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    Levein and the natural order comments

    Clearly the natural order comment has backfired massively on Craig Levein, and on reflection I think it's very telling about the nick of Hearts coming into derbies these days.

    Levein mentioned it for a few reasons, imho. One was to play to the gallery a bit, and create a bit of good favour with the Hearts support.
    The other was to try and get under our skin and try and get us to lose focus for the derby.

    But the main reason he mentioned it, was that his side definitely don't see Hearts winning derbies as anything like a natural order.

    He'll know, from the derbies since Stubbs took over, that even at their best, Hearts have been hugely fortunate to take anything from the D derbies.

    He'll know his players won't have the confidence going into these games that Hearts had for a long time - because there is NOTHING for this generation of Hearts player to base it on. Their experiences of the derby are not good.

    Levein will also know that the opposite is true for the Hibs players. We look like we are the team expecting to win. We play with the sheet of a side who know we are superior all over the pitch.

    Even their fans, who have been anonymous up until they eventually beat us in the cup, are harking back to the late eighties/early nineties to find some comfort, for a sign that they are in a position to just turn up and win. And on Friday night they had that slapped right out of them with yet another convincing derby defeat.

    You know they don't believe the natural order stuff because they all disappeared before ninety minutes were up.

    They streamed out the exits at 2-0, tails between their legs.

    Back when they believed in the natural order, they'd have hung about waiting on the inevitable flukey goals.

    Whereas we, at 2-0 in the cup, were there into injury time to see the equaliser which kept us in the cup that we'd eventually win.

    The stats might well paint a picture of Hearts' dominance in this fixture but times have changed. The natural order (if there even is such a thing) for these players on both sides is Hibs are on to.


    Levein knows it. Hence his pathetic attempt to try and change it.


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    Exactly right.

    The question for us is, since our dominance seems beyond question for the time being under the current regimes, do we start calling ourselves 'the big team' and generally act like they did in the Romanov years, or do we concentrate on catching and overtaking Rangers and Aberdeen and making them our biggest rivals?

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    You make an excellent point, that the Hibs end was packed for Hanlons equaliser even though we were 2 down at 80 mins.
    You just knew we had it in us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    Exactly right.

    The question for us is, since our dominance seems beyond question for the time being under the current regimes, do we start calling ourselves 'the big team' and generally act like they did in the Romanov years, or do we concentrate on catching and overtaking Rangers and Aberdeen and making them our biggest rivals?
    Of course we won't act like they did, because we're not welts.

    I think we're all long enough in the tooth to know it won't be like this forever, Hearts will no doubt have their day again, and then we will again after that.

    I just hope that day doesn't come for a long, long time. There's a lot of things to suggest that we'll be on top for a while but at the same time these things can shift quickly. We're fortunate that we've recruited players who are tough mentally and physically, and you can't imagine Lennon letting anyone in the team feel intimidated by anyone.
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    Levein is a desperate man and whats the automatic go-to tactic for a hearts player/manager who is struggling and in need of getting the fans back on side? - you have a dig at hibs, you highlight hate for hibs. The tramps don't respond to anything better. Levein has been around long enough to know this tactic full well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Springbank View Post
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    You make an excellent point, that the Hibs end was packed for Hanlons equaliser even though we were 2 down at 80 mins.
    You just knew we had it in us.
    The Hibs teams of the last 3 years under Stubbs and Lennon are made of different stuff. We knew then they'd have every chance of clawing back the 2 goals against the Yams, and again against The Rangers in the final at 2-1 down.

    This Hearts squad is full of kids, mercenaries and bang average players who know when they are beat. And from the rush to exists on Friday, it looks like their fans know it too.

    Yes, we have better players than them, but the spirit within the Hibs ranks is as good as anything I can remember. Genuine belief in each other.

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