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    Whatís going on in the world

    Firstly I will admit that Iíve had a few drinks. Iím a person that constantly thinks about what is happening around me and whatís happening in the wider world. I get annoyed by the capitalist system, but I wish I was rich. I get annoyed seeing corrupt leaders in other countries betraying the people they are supposed to represent, but I donít want our country to intervene. I hate the fact that the EPL is so rich and we live off the scraps, but I still watch it.
    The only thing that gives me hope is learning about space exploration. In order for humanity to survive we need to leave our home planet.
    I know Iím rambling a lot of pish here, but I just wish that people could put ridiculous preconceptions behind them and concentrate on whatís important for all of us.

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    I am constantly amazed by people having a drunken rant and doing so in such well punctuated, grammatically accurate and perfectly spelled sentences.

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    When you have to share a city with Jambos and a country with Huns, it is understandable that from time to time you wonder what the hell is happening to the human race.

    I'm no doctor, but I suggest you have tomorrow night off the sauce and spend a night in with the "Time for Heroes" dvd.

    Don't fire up the rocket just yet.

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    Contradictions...weíre all guilty.

    Escaping to another planet is also pointless as itís not the ground we live on thatís the problem.

    Youíll notice that so many sci-if, utopian societies are based on socialist, or even what some might describe as Marxist/Leninist principles.

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    Contradictions...weíre all guilty.

    Escaping to another planet is also pointless as itís not the ground we live on thatís the problem.

    Youíll notice that so many sci-if, utopian societies are based on socialist, or even what some might describe as Marxist/Leninist principles.
    Yes it's called brainwashing propaganda in the hope that the brainwashed lefties and converts will welcome such a society in the future and forget the horrors that socialism has brought to humanity.

    Crony capitalism replaced by crony socialism. What could go wrong? Only the murder of millions as history has shown when society chooses/ has true socialism forced on them.

    We can only pray that this wicked socialist society never allowed to happen in the western world but we definitely have a fight on our hands to stop it.

    The powers that be are hell bent on introducing socialism as a way of controlling the masses and taking away freedom and liberty. That's why you see such propaganda in films.

    All brainwashing you into thinking it is a utopia.

    Thankfully we still have enough people who can see what's happening and will not follow this evil ideology but I have to admit it's going to be close call the next 25 / 50 years could see total control of your life given to the state and government.
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    Firstly I will admit that Iíve had a few drinks. Iím a person that constantly thinks about what is happening around me and whatís happening in the wider world. I get annoyed by the capitalist system, but I wish I was rich. I get annoyed seeing corrupt leaders in other countries betraying the people they are supposed to represent, but I donít want our country to intervene. I hate the fact that the EPL is so rich and we live off the scraps, but I still watch it.
    The only thing that gives me hope is learning about space exploration. In order for humanity to survive we need to leave our home planet.
    I know Iím rambling a lot of pish here, but I just wish that people could put ridiculous preconceptions behind them and concentrate on whatís important for all of us.
    As I get older I get a lot more motivated by environmental political questions and a lot less by binary, left-right issues, which are often motivated by ideological habit, not belief. (The post above this is a good example).

    World population was 1 billion in 1850, and was still only 1.2 billion in 1900. In 2018 we are at 7 billion and we'll be at 10 billion by 2080. You need to look at these numbers for a second or two to realise how mind-boggling massive this change is. Its inconceivable we will have sufficient clean water, clean air and food by then without some kind of global rethink about how we live as a species.

    Replacing global capitalism, with its emphasis on the profit motive above all else, with some kind of alternative will be a vital step at some point in time if we're going to survive, but you can't just 'replace' a political-economic reality unless you address selfishness as a behaviour. Soviet Russia wasnt motivated by the capitalist system but still managed to contribute towards ****ing up the planet. Thinking as a species, not as nationalities, is the future.
    But there's never been a time in the last hundred years when global government has been so deeply unfashionable. We seem to be splintering off into more and more subgroups, distrustful of each other. Trump is only the most recent manifestation of this. The UN is set up to fail since league of nations days.


    Blasting off into space is a great notion, and I used to greedily chew up all those comics and utopian Sci films when I was a kid as well but logistically it's years off, and the numbers required to make a difference to over population make it unrealistic without an unimaginable technological leap. How can you move five billion people off a planet? Leaving aside the most basic question of where to go!

    It's an uncomfortable thought that what might be best for life in Earth in a collective sense is a massive pandemic/natural disaster/world war/other cataclysm that addresses the world population crisis.

    And the population is only one issue facing the planet. Global warming, food supplies, water, inequality, religious conflict, racial hatred, it all feels very intractable and I guess can only be solved in the long term by consigning the notion of 'nationalities' and flags to the bin and doing things on a global basis. You need to take people's inherent psychological need to belong to a tribe along with you and incorporate that into the solution you come up with.

    A great question.
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    As I get older I get a lot more motivated by environmental political questions and a lot less by binary, left-right issues, which are often motivated by ideological habit, not belief. (The post above this is a good example).

    World population was 1 billion in 1850, and was still only 1.2 billion in 1900. In 2018 we are at 7 billion and we'll be at 10 billion by 2080. You need to look at these numbers for a second or two to realise how mind-boggling massive this change is. Its inconceivable we will have sufficient clean water, clean air and food by then without some kind of global rethink about how we live as a species.

    Replacing global capitalism, with its emphasis on the profit motive above all else, with some kind of alternative will be a vital step at some point in time if we're going to survive, but you can't just 'replace' a political-economic reality unless you address selfishness as a behaviour. Soviet Russia wasnt motivated by the capitalist system but still managed to contribute towards ****ing up the planet. Thinking as a species, not as nationalities, is the future.
    But there's never been a time in the last hundred years when global government has been so deeply unfashionable. We seem to be splintering off into more and more subgroups, distrustful of each other. Trump is only the most recent manifestation of this. The UN is set up to fail since league of nations days.


    Blasting off into space is a great notion, and I used to greedily chew up all those comics and utopian Sci films when I was a kid as well but logistically it's years off, and the numbers required to make a difference to over population make it unrealistic without an unimaginable technological leap. How can you move five billion people off a planet? Leaving aside the most basic question of where to go!

    It's an uncomfortable thought that what might be best for life in Earth in a collective sense is a massive pandemic/natural disaster/world war/other cataclysm that addresses the world population crisis.

    And the population is only one issue facing the planet. Global warming, food supplies, water, inequality, religious conflict, racial hatred, it all feels very intractable and I guess can only be solved in the long term by consigning the notion of 'nationalities' and flags to the bin and doing things on a global basis. You need to take people's inherent psychological need to belong to a tribe along with you and incorporate that into the solution you come up with.

    A great question.
    Population reduction hmmmm where have I heard that before. Maybe you would prefer a full blown nuclear war just to help your utopian world come to fruition.

    Sounds like your lost in your ideology and even contemplating wiping out millions of people to suit your agenda. Stalin would be proud of you.

    It's lack of population that's the problem in the future with such low birth rates in the western world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Population reduction hmmmm where have I heard that before. Maybe you would prefer a full blown nuclear war just to help your utopian world come to fruition.

    Sounds like your lost in your ideology and even contemplating wiping out millions of people to suit your agenda. Stalin would be proud of you.

    It's lack of population that's the problem in the future with such low birth rates in the western world.
    That's a bit of a silly response.

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    That's a bit of a silly response.
    And hoping for natural disasters or wiping out human populatiuon is sensible? Your lost and potentially brainwashed by the things your reading from what I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    And hoping for natural disasters or wiping out human populatiuon is sensible? Your lost and potentially brainwashed by the things your reading from what I can tell.
    I obviously didn't say that, and your trolling is boring. Your luciferian stuff is far more entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Population reduction hmmmm where have I heard that before. Maybe you would prefer a full blown nuclear war just to help your utopian world come to fruition.

    Sounds like your lost in your ideology and even contemplating wiping out millions of people to suit your agenda. Stalin would be proud of you.

    It's lack of population that's the problem in the future with such low birth rates in the western world.
    Good lord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    I obviously didn't say that, and your trolling is boring. Your luciferian stuff is far more entertaining.
    Indeed. The poster is incapable of having a rational conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    As I get older I get a lot more motivated by environmental political questions and a lot less by binary, left-right issues, which are often motivated by ideological habit, not belief. (The post above this is a good example).

    World population was 1 billion in 1850, and was still only 1.2 billion in 1900. In 2018 we are at 7 billion and we'll be at 10 billion by 2080. You need to look at these numbers for a second or two to realise how mind-boggling massive this change is. Its inconceivable we will have sufficient clean water, clean air and food by then without some kind of global rethink about how we live as a species.

    Replacing global capitalism, with its emphasis on the profit motive above all else, with some kind of alternative will be a vital step at some point in time if we're going to survive, but you can't just 'replace' a political-economic reality unless you address selfishness as a behaviour. Soviet Russia wasnt motivated by the capitalist system but still managed to contribute towards ****ing up the planet. Thinking as a species, not as nationalities, is the future.
    But there's never been a time in the last hundred years when global government has been so deeply unfashionable. We seem to be splintering off into more and more subgroups, distrustful of each other. Trump is only the most recent manifestation of this. The UN is set up to fail since league of nations days.


    Blasting off into space is a great notion, and I used to greedily chew up all those comics and utopian Sci films when I was a kid as well but logistically it's years off, and the numbers required to make a difference to over population make it unrealistic without an unimaginable technological leap. How can you move five billion people off a planet? Leaving aside the most basic question of where to go!

    It's an uncomfortable thought that what might be best for life in Earth in a collective sense is a massive pandemic/natural disaster/world war/other cataclysm that addresses the world population crisis.

    And the population is only one issue facing the planet. Global warming, food supplies, water, inequality, religious conflict, racial hatred, it all feels very intractable and I guess can only be solved in the long term by consigning the notion of 'nationalities' and flags to the bin and doing things on a global basis. You need to take people's inherent psychological need to belong to a tribe along with you and incorporate that into the solution you come up with.

    A great question.
    I agree with a lot of that. If we could start again as a species, we would do almost everything differently. We waste a huge percentage of our time and resources on things that make each otherís lives worse. We have the intelligence as a species to make our world a fantastic place for everyone, but instead we have let self interest take control of our lives. When I look at politicians speaking on tv it makes me so angry that these people have no interest in anything other than getting them and their party re-elected . You see leaders the world over spending trillions on weapons, imagine what would happen if that money was spent on technology that made things better.
    One day there will be a mass extinction event like an asteroid strike or one of the countless other possible events that will leave this planet almost uninhabitable. Iíd like to think that when that day comes we will be ready for it, but I fear we will still be too busy squabbling amongst ourselves to even notice until itís too late.

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    Are you sure it's just a drink you've had bunberry lord?

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    It was. I kicked off with the red wine again, itís something that never ends well.

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    I had to contemplate the future of the human race last week when I asked my boy what he wanted for his birthday.

    "A Gucci belt " was his answer

    Now there is a reason for population control right there.
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    It was. I kicked off with the red wine again, itís something that never ends well.
    Red wine in the house is great. Red wine if you're out, catastrophic.

    It's a lesson I've learned before and a mistake I'll likely make again.

    I might contribute to the thread later but as of right now, I have a rioja head on the go. So I'm off for a walk into town to try to clear it a bit!

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    Scarily enough, I was drinking red wine too last night. A lot of it.

    Is this an evil communist plot thatís been stumbled upon?

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    Scarily enough, I was drinking red wine too last night. A lot of it.

    Is this an evil communist plot thatís been stumbled upon?
    Weíll keep the red wine flowing high.....

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    Yes it's called brainwashing propaganda in the hope that the brainwashed lefties and converts will welcome such a society in the future and forget the horrors that socialism has brought to humanity.

    Crony capitalism replaced by crony socialism. What could go wrong? Only the murder of millions as history has shown when society chooses/ has true socialism forced on them.

    We can only pray that this wicked socialist society never allowed to happen in the western world but we definitely have a fight on our hands to stop it.

    The powers that be are hell bent on introducing socialism as a way of controlling the masses and taking away freedom and liberty. That's why you see such propaganda in films.

    All brainwashing you into thinking it is a utopia.

    Thankfully we still have enough people who can see what's happening and will not follow this evil ideology but I have to admit it's going to be close call the next 25 / 50 years could see total control of your life given to the state and government.
    I'm afraid it's happening all the time whether right or left is in power. Neither of them work for the good of mankind as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Yes it's called brainwashing propaganda in the hope that the brainwashed lefties and converts will welcome such a society in the future and forget the horrors that socialism has brought to humanity.

    Crony capitalism replaced by crony socialism. What could go wrong? Only the murder of millions as history has shown when society chooses/ has true socialism forced on them.

    We can only pray that this wicked socialist society never allowed to happen in the western world but we definitely have a fight on our hands to stop it.

    The powers that be are hell bent on introducing socialism as a way of controlling the masses and taking away freedom and liberty. That's why you see such propaganda in films.

    All brainwashing you into thinking it is a utopia.

    Thankfully we still have enough people who can see what's happening and will not follow this evil ideology but I have to admit it's going to be close call the next 25 / 50 years could see total control of your life given to the state and government.
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    Population reduction hmmmm where have I heard that before. Maybe you would prefer a full blown nuclear war just to help your utopian world come to fruition.

    Sounds like your lost in your ideology and even contemplating wiping out millions of people to suit your agenda. Stalin would be proud of you.

    It's lack of population that's the problem in the future with such low birth rates in the western world.
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    And hoping for natural disasters or wiping out human populatiuon is sensible? Your lost and potentially brainwashed by the things your reading from what I can tell.


    Do you hear yourself when when you speak?


    As it happens, your last 2 quotes above are either trolling or complete paranoia as HibsBollah said nothing of the sort

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    Firstly I will admit that Iíve had a few drinks. Iím a person that constantly thinks about what is happening around me and whatís happening in the wider world. I get annoyed by the capitalist system, but I wish I was rich. I get annoyed seeing corrupt leaders in other countries betraying the people they are supposed to represent, but I donít want our country to intervene. I hate the fact that the EPL is so rich and we live off the scraps, but I still watch it.
    The only thing that gives me hope is learning about space exploration. In order for humanity to survive we need to leave our home planet.
    I know Iím rambling a lot of pish here, but I just wish that people could put ridiculous preconceptions behind them and concentrate on whatís important for all of us.
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    I take it the cabs off the road.
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    Sold up mate. I need to either get a job or get back to the taxis
    Stir crazy week for me. Back on it tonight
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    I was at church earlier this evening. The Gospel story was of Jesus casting those selling animals for sacrifice and money changers from the Temple. The story isn’t particularly important but the Priests homily was, as it usually is, interesting. He pointed out the story was showing Jesus not as meek and mild as is often the portrayal but as an angry and passionate human being. He went on to say that anger can be a positive emotion particularly when aimed at injustice. He concluded by saying Lent was a time to think about what makes us angry and how we can challenge it but that we must have an open ear and listen to what others, even those we are angry with, say back otherwise we come across as pious and self righteous.

    Now I know there could be a million pages written about the hypocrisy of a Catholic Priest warning against against preaching and not listening to counter argument but in a political sense I think there is a valid message there. I often find the left adopts an attitude of knowing what is best for those they claim to seek to help rather than listening to what help they actually want and need. Trump wasn’t carried into power solely on the shoulders of rich elites, it was rust belt USA that was a huge part of his core vote. Brexit may have been the baby of the likes of Gove and Johnson but it’s popularity was greatest in some of our most deprived areas. The reaction of many on the left to these events, and others, was not to engage with these people and try to understand their reasons, concerns and desires but rather to scoff at them as stupid, share videos of ‘idiots’ making erroneous statements, throw accusations of racism about like confetti and preach to the fools about how much worse their life would become because of their own stupidity.

    I think it’s something we all have in us. We become so blinded by our own views and beliefs, so consumed by what we think is best we often forget to listen to what other people are saying. Recent history has shown that engaging with and motivating what should be your core vote is the road to success, it’s hopefully a lesson that those angry about injustice across the world learn and they begin to do less preaching and more listening.
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    I was at church earlier this evening. The Gospel story was of Jesus casting those selling animals for sacrifice and money changers from the Temple. The story isnít particularly important but the Priests homily was, as it usually is, interesting. He pointed out the story was showing Jesus not as meek and mild as is often the portrayal but as an angry and passionate human being. He went on to say that anger can be a positive emotion particularly when aimed at injustice. He concluded by saying Lent was a time to think about what makes us angry and how we can challenge it but that we must have an open ear and listen to what others, even those we are angry with, say back otherwise we come across as pious and self righteous.

    Now I know there could be a million pages written about the hypocrisy of a Catholic Priest warning against against preaching and not listening to counter argument but in a political sense I think there is a valid message there. I often find the left adopts an attitude of knowing what is best for those they claim to seek to help rather than listening to what help they actually want and need. Trump wasnít carried into power solely on the shoulders of rich elites, it was rust belt USA that was a huge part of his core vote. Brexit may have been the baby of the likes of Gove and Johnson but itís popularity was greatest in some of our most deprived areas. The reaction of many on the left to these events, and others, was not to engage with these people and try to understand their reasons, concerns and desires but rather to scoff at them as stupid, share videos of Ďidiotsí making erroneous statements, throw accusations of racism about like confetti and preach to the fools about how much worse their life would become because of their own stupidity.

    I think itís something we all have in us. We become so blinded by our own views and beliefs, so consumed by what we think is best we often forget to listen to what other people are saying. Recent history has shown that engaging with and motivating what should be your core vote is the road to success, itís hopefully a lesson that those angry about injustice across the world learn and they begin to do less preaching and more listening.


    What a fantastic and thought provoking post

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    I was at church earlier this evening. The Gospel story was of Jesus casting those selling animals for sacrifice and money changers from the Temple. The story isnít particularly important but the Priests homily was, as it usually is, interesting. He pointed out the story was showing Jesus not as meek and mild as is often the portrayal but as an angry and passionate human being. He went on to say that anger can be a positive emotion particularly when aimed at injustice. He concluded by saying Lent was a time to think about what makes us angry and how we can challenge it but that we must have an open ear and listen to what others, even those we are angry with, say back otherwise we come across as pious and self righteous.

    Now I know there could be a million pages written about the hypocrisy of a Catholic Priest warning against against preaching and not listening to counter argument but in a political sense I think there is a valid message there. I often find the left adopts an attitude of knowing what is best for those they claim to seek to help rather than listening to what help they actually want and need. Trump wasnít carried into power solely on the shoulders of rich elites, it was rust belt USA that was a huge part of his core vote. Brexit may have been the baby of the likes of Gove and Johnson but itís popularity was greatest in some of our most deprived areas. The reaction of many on the left to these events, and others, was not to engage with these people and try to understand their reasons, concerns and desires but rather to scoff at them as stupid, share videos of Ďidiotsí making erroneous statements, throw accusations of racism about like confetti and preach to the fools about how much worse their life would become because of their own stupidity.

    I think itís something we all have in us. We become so blinded by our own views and beliefs, so consumed by what we think is best we often forget to listen to what other people are saying. Recent history has shown that engaging with and motivating what should be your core vote is the road to success, itís hopefully a lesson that those angry about injustice across the world learn and they begin to do less preaching and more listening.
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    What a fantastic and thought provoking post
    Agreed, and one of many I may say.

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    The reaction of many on the left to these events, and others, was not to engage with these people and try to understand their reasons, concerns and desires but rather to scoff at them as stupid, share videos of Ďidiotsí making erroneous statements, throw accusations of racism about like confetti and preach to the fools about how much worse their life would become because of their own stupidity.
    Agree that this has happened, but what if you do the listening, and do the engaging, and at the end conclude that the people you've listened to and engaged with are stupid and racists? What then?

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