Top 6 split

[Doh Rae Me]

The Rangers have played all current other top 6 sides twice at Ibrox. Now our record is fine there but what do think the odds are that Celtic would be drawn, in this unbiased completely random draw, would be drawn there to play 3 times in a season?

[grammyb111]

If Kilmarnock and Hearts both play at Ibrox 3 times you get every team with an even number of home and away games. That'll be what it works out as, we'll play the games we're meant to play (Killie, Rangers, Celtic at home, Hearts and Aberdeen away).

[SouthMoroccoStu]

You can guarantee that the old firm game won't be held at an uneven number for the host stadium

[MB62]

If memory serves well (and really, there's very little chance of that actually being the case) I'm sure when newco was still oldco, it was decided that the ONLY clubs that would always meet each other for definite home and away twice each, was those two, everybody else was just all your luck.
Given the battle for 2nd, 3rd & 4th, you can bet yer boots both Hibs & Aberdeen will be at Ipox.

[Geo_1875]

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If memory serves well (and really, there's very little chance of that actually being the case) I'm sure when newco was still oldco, it was decided that the ONLY clubs that would always meet each other for definite home and away twice each, was those two, everybody else was just all your luck.
Given the battle for 2nd, 3rd & 4th, you can bet yer boots both Hibs & Aberdeen will be at Ipox.

I'll be very surprised if we don't get Celtc and 6th place at home and 3 away games against Big Huns, Little Huns and The Sheep.

[Nutmegged]

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The Rangers have played all current other top 6 sides twice at Ibrox. Now our record is fine there but what do think the odds are that Celtic would be drawn, in this unbiased completely random draw, would be drawn there to play 3 times in a season?

it isn't a random draw, its based on last seasons seedings, Celtic are top seeeds so wouldn't be chosen, we're 13th so more than likely would be.

[grammyb111]

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If Kilmarnock and Hearts both play at Ibrox 3 times you get every team with an even number of home and away games. That'll be what it works out as, we'll play the games we're meant to play (Killie, Rangers, Celtic at home, Hearts and Aberdeen away).

Scratch that, one team will play one more home game, one will play one more away game.

Pre Split Home Pre Split Away
Hibs 16 17
Celtic 16 17
Rangers 17 16
Hearts 16 17
Aberdeen 16 17
Kilmarnock 17 16

Hibs due to play at home: Celtic, Rangers, Kilmarnock. Hibs due to play away: Aberdeen, Hearts
Celtic due to play at home: Rangers, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen. Celtic due to play away: Hibs, Hearts
Rangers due to play at home: None. Rangers due to play away: Hibs, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock
Hearts due to play at home: Rangers, Hibs, Celtic. Hearts due to play away: Kilmarnock, Aberdeen
Aberdeen due to play at home: Rangers, Hibs, Hearts. Aberdeen due to play away: Celtic, Kilmarnock
Kilmarnock due to play at home: Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts. Kilmarnock due to play away: Celtic, Hibs


Following the above this would be the split of home/away games as it 'should' happen, but of course it needs to be evened out:

Home Away
Hibs 19 19
Celtic 19 19
Rangers 17 21
Hearts 19 19
Aberdeen 19 19
Kilmarnock 20 18

So from there it's obvious that Kilmarnock will go to Ibrox twice, making the table:


Home Away
Hibs 19 19
Celtic 19 19
Rangers 18 20
Hearts 19 19
Aberdeen 19 19
Kilmarnock 19 19

But no team as far as I can see has been given 1 post split game at home and 4 away (or vice versa), so Rangers will be changed and one more team (other than Kilmarnock) will have to visit Ibrox twice. Likely to be us or Hearts - SPL could use the stadium as a (poor) excuse.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If we only get 18 home games (and 20 away) how is this valued vs season ticket prices?

[GoalsMcGinley]

Based on the current top 6 we would play Sevco 2012 at Ibrox post split.


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[BroxburnHibee]

Exactly why the whole split idea is ridiculous!

[Mikey]

If Hibs, Aberdeen and The Rangers are fighting it out for second the team that plays an extra away game should be either Kilmarnock or Hearts as they're not going to improve much on where they are anyway.

[Michael]

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Exactly why the whole split idea is ridiculous!

Exactly, it's flawed and usually unfair on someone. Why do we still have it after all these years?

Just increase the number of teams and play each other twice as everyone wants.

[lyonhibs]

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Exactly, it's flawed and usually unfair on someone. Why do we still have it after all these years?

Just increase the number of teams and play each other twice as everyone wants.

Except the TV companies and smaller clubs for whom 3 and potentially 4 home games against the OF are financially vital sadly.

[Sir David Gray]

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Exactly, it's flawed and usually unfair on someone. Why do we still have it after all these years?

Just increase the number of teams and play each other twice as everyone wants.

I want it and I'm sure the majority of supporters want it as well but ask BT Sport and Sky Sports and also the board of directors of Kilmarnock, St Johnstone, Hamilton etc who would be losing out on a guaranteed sold out away end against Rangers and Celtic on at least one and possibly two occasions per season would disagree.

Sadly that argument will always prevail.

[brog]

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it isn't a random draw, its based on last seasons seedings, Celtic are top seeeds so wouldn't be chosen, we're 13th so more than likely would be.

The fixtures pre season were based on last year's seedings The post split fixtures don't need to be. If the top 6 stay as they are then it would be logical for Yams & Killie to have to visit Sevco one additional time. Can't believe I just used the word logical!

[BoomtownHibees]

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Based on the current top 6 we would play Sevco 2012 at Ibrox post split.


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Why??

[Michael]

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Except the TV companies and smaller clubs for whom 3 and potentially 4 home games against the OF are financially vital sadly.

Then spread out the prize money more to help them. Every other country gets by without 2 home games against the old firm and I don't believe we're the exception.

[grammyb111]

Have a top league of 14, after playing each other twice have a top 6 split and a bottom 8. Play each team in your split league twice too. Bottom 8 teams play 40 games and top 6 36. The extra home game covers for 'only' playing the old firm once at home for the bottom 8. The top 6 are the teams likely to be further in cups etc so playing two less games not such an issue. Seems sensible enough to me. 26 games is still plenty games before a split so can't complain about 'false' positions. Bigot brothers also get their four derbies.

[Carheenlea]

Mickey Mouse.

The league split has the feel of a social club dominoes flyer draw. When discussing the practicality of a league split, when they got to the bit where clubs might play away at one team three times and home the once, that should have been as far as any discussion went. When they then realised the team in 7th or 8th would have a good chance of a higher points total than 6th then everyone should have been laughing their way out the room.

[Billy Whizz]

Isn’t it nice to be moaning about being in the top 6 again, and comfortably😄

[BoomtownHibees]

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Mickey Mouse.

The league split has the feel of a social club dominoes flyer draw. When discussing the practicality of a league split, when they got to the bit where clubs might play away at one team three times and home the once, that should have been as far as any discussion went. When they then realised the team in 7th or 8th would have a good chance of a higher points total than 6th then everyone should have been laughing their way out the room.

The bit about the 7th placed team having more points doesn’t bother me as the league, in effect, splits in to 2. The bit about playing more away games than Home and the potential of having to go to your nearest rivals 3 times and only playing them once at home is madness.

[Ryan69]

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The bit about the 7th placed team having more points doesn’t bother me as the league, in effect, splits in to 2. The bit about playing more away games than Home and the potential of having to go to your nearest rivals 3 times and only playing them once at home is madness.

No matter what reasoning you use....Its very convenient that The Rangers play their nearest rivals at home in the run in.

Nothing short of a fix.

[Sir David Gray]

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Mickey Mouse.

The league split has the feel of a social club dominoes flyer draw. When discussing the practicality of a league split, when they got to the bit where clubs might play away at one team three times and home the once, that should have been as far as any discussion went. When they then realised the team in 7th or 8th would have a good chance of a higher points total than 6th then everyone should have been laughing their way out the room.

They don't really though.

The 6th placed team is effectively playing in a different league from the teams in 7th and 8th for the final five matches of the season.

I don't like the split but it's more for the reasons that you have stated at the start of your post regarding an uneven balance of home and away fixtures against certain clubs.

The fact that we could potentially be forced to play at Ibrox for a 3rd time this season, when we're currently in a battle to try and finish 2nd alongside Rangers and Aberdeen is a farce.

League expansion is the way forward but it won't happen for reasons I have explained in a previous post.

[Nicho87]

Least playing at Ibrox guarantees us 3 points

[WhileTheChief..]

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Exactly, it's flawed and usually unfair on someone. Why do we still have it after all these years?

Just increase the number of teams and play each other twice as everyone wants.

Eh? Who wants that?

I like four games against hearts and the old firm. Much rather be playing them than Livingston and Morton or whoever.

I also like the break, keeps everything exciting towards the end of the season.

Not bothered in the slightest if we have an extra away game.

[NRW_Hibbie]

If we do have to go to Ibrox again, and end up with fewer home games as a consequence, do we get any financial compensation? 4000 Huns at ER is a fair old wedge to surrender.

[Sir David Gray]

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If we do have to go to Ibrox again, and end up with fewer home games as a consequence, do we get any financial compensation? 4000 Huns at ER is a fair old wedge to surrender.

I take it you mean fewer home games v Rangers?

We'll still end up with an even split of home and away fixtures overall.

It's a fair point though. We should be playing them at Easter Road after the split but then, if the current top six stays the same, Rangers should be playing all these teams away from home after the split so something's got to give.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Mickey Mouse.

The league split has the feel of a social club dominoes flyer draw. When discussing the practicality of a league split, when they got to the bit where clubs might play away at one team three times and home the once, that should have been as far as any discussion went. When they then realised the team in 7th or 8th would have a good chance of a higher points total than 6th then everyone should have been laughing their way out the room.

Agree, really does nothing for the game IMO

[Carheenlea]

The Team who finishes 2nd and the team who finishes 8th are finishing 2nd and 8th in the same league, The Ladbrokes Premiership. If everyone was to start on a clean slate after the split then you would have two leagues, but not if everyone is starting on different points.
A team finishing on more points than a team above them in a league is just laughable. The prize money is distributed in order of position, and last season you had Hearts in 5th place on 46, Partick 6th on 41 and Ross County 7th on 46. Circus.

[Michael]

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I take it you mean fewer home games v Rangers?

We'll still end up with an even split of home and away fixtures overall.

It's a fair point though. We should be playing them at Easter Road after the split but then, if the current top six stays the same, Rangers should be playing all these teams away from home after the split so something's got to give.

I think one club will play one game less? Could be us.