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    I saw today a kids baseball team is being pressured after offering an assault rifle as a prize in a raffle only hours after the massacre. It seems gun raffles are common practice in the states!

    Imagine a kids sports club for under 9ís raising money by raffling an assault rifle and getting the kids to sell the tickets! Crazy stuff.
    A tiny part of me could maybe accept and make allowances for their culture if it was one of those wee pistols you use at a range but an assault rifle??

    Why would anyone outside a theatre of war need one of them?

    Thatís not right.


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    If you try and understand how things happen, you’ve got a better chance of preventing them happening again.
    Absolutely. The authorities must find out just what drove a young person to destroy other's lives. Some thing/s very obviously led up to the tragic event of the shocking act of multiple murders.








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    Trump wants to fight this by giving teachers arms.

    Fight guns with guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Trager View Post
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    Trump wants to fight this by giving teachers arms.

    Fight guns with guns
    Who do they arm when a disgrunted armed teacher goes radge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Who do they arm when a disgrunted armed teacher goes radge?
    Well another teacher of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Trager View Post
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    Well another teacher of course
    The students?

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    ďEvil walks among us and God help us if we donít harden our schools and protect our kids.Ē*

    I can't believe that some of them swallow this ****. They're addicted to guns, the thought of giving up their guns makes them break out in a cold sweat, they love their guns more than they love their kids. Their kids are getting wise though and change will come.

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    I wonder if everyone was searched when entering Trumps speech today. If 'good guys with guns' aren't a problem then why wasn't everyone packing heat?
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    So let's assume this passes through, and all teachers are armed. They're going to have a gun in their desk, or on their hip, just incase - most likely a 9mm handgun. Let's assume they get extensive training and are deemed "competent" to carry (not that this is a requirement in many states).

    Play out the scenario of a shooter entering school premises, armed with both an AR-15 and the knowledge that all teachers are armed - he (for argument's sake, but also factually driven, it's likely to be a he) walks up a deserted corridor as classes are going on. He plans on taking as many lives as he can, so he turns toward the first classroom. Is his gun over his shoulder/back, or 'holstered' in some way? No, he's going to have it drawn and in hand before he enters the room - who do you think he shoots first, again, knowing that the teacher is allowed to be carrying? *bang*, teacher down, empty clip, move on. No teacher would be able to draw from a holster or reach their desk in time vs an already drawn weapon. Now let's assume another teacher hears the shot - what do they do? Do they raise the alarm and trigger masses of students running toward the exits, or do they take their firearm and approach a guy carrying a semi-automatic assault rifle? Bearing in mind that many shooters wear body armour, and that most proficiency classes teach you to aim for the largest centre of mass, what teacher is going to pull out their 9mm, run toward the shooter and calmly take aim at the head? Careful aim vs 'spray and pray' approach of mass discharge...second teacher down. And so the story goes...

    A second scenario - 17 year old kid at school getting bullied. Decides to enact revenge the only way his culture has taught him how. Has the knowledge that Miss Anderson has a gun on her possession. Middle age teacher, of slight figure vs muscular, angry young teenager hell-bent on getting her weapon. It solves a problem for anyone in a school contemplating a mass shooting - you don't need to worry about logistics of getting a gun onto campus in the first place - they're already there, and kids know how, and where to access them. Kid overpowers teacher, grabs gun, shoots teacher, lays waste to as many of his fellow students as possible. Granted, the only saving grace in this instance might be a lack of ammunition to continue the feat.

    There are many reasons I would never work in an American University campus (despite currently being employed by one). If all University lecturers are forced to carry, in addition to school teachers, I have a lot of colleagues who will categorically move on to new careers. I've dealt with a lot of students unhappy at their grades, unsatisfied with the quality of particular content or exam questions. Pair that unhappiness with open carry on University campuses and it becomes a genuine life-threatening endeavour giving a student a failing or low mark.

    The entire notion of this is absolutely ****ing crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive View Post
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    The students?
    Terrorists?

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164634

    I wonder what Trump makes of this.

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    What a senseless waste of human life. The gun lobby that is, not the victims.

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    When will the penny finally drop for some people in America?! How much worse does it need to get than children murdered in their classrooms?!

    Arming more people with guns is not the answer. Get rid of them. They serve absolutely NO purpose to ordinary civilians. After the horror of Dumblane in this country the gun laws were changed and we haven't had a mass shooting since. Thats no coincidence.

    Until Americans wake up and start putting human life before an age old constitution then sadly we will continue to see mass school shootings, mall shootings, church shootings etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21.05.2016 View Post
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    When will the penny finally drop for some people in America?! How much worse does it need to get than children murdered in their classrooms?!

    Arming more people with guns is not the answer. Get rid of them. They serve absolutely NO purpose to ordinary civilians. After the horror of Dumblane in this country the gun laws were changed and we haven't had a mass shooting since. Thats no coincidence.

    Until Americans wake up and start putting human life before an age old constitution then sadly we will continue to see mass school shootings, mall shootings, church shootings etc etc.
    Wonít happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21.05.2016 View Post
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    When will the penny finally drop for some people in America?! How much worse does it need to get than children murdered in their classrooms?!

    Arming more people with guns is not the answer. Get rid of them. They serve absolutely NO purpose to ordinary civilians. After the horror of Dumblane in this country the gun laws were changed and we haven't had a mass shooting since. Thats no coincidence.

    Until Americans wake up and start putting human life before an age old constitution then sadly we will continue to see mass school shootings, mall shootings, church shootings etc etc.
    They're addicted to guns, they make them feel strong, safe and empowered and like all addicts they couldn't give a **** about what happens to their kids providing they get their fix.

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    I thought the speech by Donald Trump today at CPAC was both worrying and extremely sad.

    It was also really sad to hear the Australian Prime Minister trying to play down the fact that his own country has not had a single mass shooting since Australia tightened gun control following the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996. He played down the importance of something similar being effective in the USA because somehow the two countries had "a different history" with guns. Trump also went along with that by saying the USA and Australia were "very different countries".

    Really? I would have said there were a lot of similarities between the USA and Australia. Shared culture, shared language, a lot of shared political aims.

    It's so sad to think that no-one in that country with any real influence is calling for a national debate on gun control or for legislation leading to restrictions being placed on an individual's right to possess a firearm.

    In fact quite the opposite is happening and those in favour of the 2nd Amendment are actually calling for more people to be armed as a result of the Florida shooting and it really is quite shocking to hear that as an outsider.
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    The Amercans are still living with a Wild West mentality. Alas, retaining values & customs that are centuries out of date is a quality that's not solely applicable to residents of the US of A.

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    trump has implied the sheriff was a coward and that he himself would have run into the building unarmed to tackle the shooter.

    What do you expect when the madman is running the institution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jimmy View Post
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    trump has implied the sheriff was a coward and that he himself would have run into the building unarmed to tackle the shooter.

    What do you expect when the madman is running the institution?

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    Ah, the old would've could've should've. Trump dodged the draft, not necessarily always a sign of cowardice, but in his case I think it probably was. Used his money to avoid his patriotic responsibilities and then sends young men to their deaths in wartime, and refuses to protect schoolkids from assault rifles under the cover of patriotic American values. Makes me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jimmy View Post
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    trump has implied the sheriff was a coward and that he himself would have run into the building unarmed to tackle the shooter.
    Iíve heard him say a lot of repulsive things but that has to be the worst.

    To call out a poor security guard from such a position of power is absolutely pathetic, especially when heís making such ridiculous, baseless claims about how he would react in that situation.

    Taking liberties and bragging like that would probably get him a smack in the mouth in almost any pub in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
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    Iíve heard him say a lot of repulsive things but that has to be the worst.

    To call out a poor security guard from such a position of power is absolutely pathetic, especially when heís making such ridiculous, baseless claims about how he would react in that situation.

    Taking liberties and bragging like that would probably get him a smack in the mouth in almost any pub in the world.
    The same guy that dodged the draft when Uncle Sam came calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
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    Iíve heard him say a lot of repulsive things but that has to be the worst.

    To call out a poor security guard from such a position of power is absolutely pathetic, especially when heís making such ridiculous, baseless claims about how he would react in that situation.

    Taking liberties and bragging like that would probably get him a smack in the mouth in almost any pub in the world.
    Was it not a polis rather than a security guard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumhibee1 View Post
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    Was it not a polis rather than a security guard?
    Still applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jimmy View Post
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    Still applies.

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    It does to an extent, but nowhere near as much as it would with a security guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumhibee1 View Post
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    It does to an extent, but nowhere near as much as it would with a security guard.
    Well I presume both would be armed and trained to deal with situations like this.

    Either way heís tried to look like a big man by calling out someone who is doing a job and in a situation he will never understand.

    Sickening.

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    Teacher reportedly opens fire in classroom
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28...gh-school.html

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    Teacher reportedly opens fire in classroom
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28...gh-school.html
    This is why to be completely safe students must be armed when they're attending school.

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    Apparently, the officer was armed with a 'handgun' whilst the the killer was blazing away with an AR-15 assault rifle. I wonder what officer Peterson's chances would have been...

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