All of these clubs manage to live within their means - regardless of their attendances. They deserve nothing but respect for managing to do so..This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When Sevco were being formed we were all shouting about ‘sporting integrity’, so provided these clubs maintain their position in the league setup by fair means, then attendances should not matter a jot.
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11-03-2018 11:11 PM #91
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12-03-2018 12:09 AM #92This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It’s not the authorities to decide how many clubs there should be and where they should be. They need to create a competitive structure for them to play in.
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12-03-2018 12:11 AM #93
Do they need to be part of the professional leagues though? Couldn’t they play local or junior leagues? I don’t know, just throwing it out there.
We complain when Hamilton only only bring a handful of fans but it’s not exactly the clubs fault.
If if we want fuller stadiums across the country then maybe that kinda drastic action is required.
As for merging Hibs and Hearts, it’s hardly comparable really is it.
Cowdenbeaths history? What have ever contributed to the game? Chasing fans away? ICT get more fans than the 2 previous clubs I bet and they’ve won a trophy and played in the top flight.
There’s plenty clubs have never had a sniff and never will. They don’t produce players that bigger clubs snap up and basically offer nowt to the game.
If they merged they might do a bit better. They couldn’t really do any worse!
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12-03-2018 12:16 AM #94
Im not advocating team mergers but it is not quite accurate to suggest these clubs pay their own way. The long tail of the Scottish football dog is heavily subsidised by the top league. Without that money, many would close.
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12-03-2018 02:38 AM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Both clubs report the tickets sold apparently, but it’s obvious we’ve already had more bums on seats this season even including the novelty of their Murrayfield experience.Last edited by Austinho; 12-03-2018 at 02:42 AM.
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12-03-2018 07:03 AM #96This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Regardless the argument for closing teams down to make our game better is completely bonkers.
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14-03-2018 01:19 AM #97This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-03-2018 05:50 AM #98This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-03-2018 07:54 AM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There are a lot more clubs in Scotland than those listed. There are the Senior Leagues (Highland and Lowland, East of Scotland and South of Scotland before we get on to the Juniors. May of the Junior teams get better support than some SPFL.
England has vastly more clubs but only gives League status (PL plus EFL) to 92 clubs. Scotland gives it to 42 (SPFL) with less than 10% of the population. Redesignating the bottom two SPFL divisions as Seniors rather than SPFL would do bugger-all for anyone.
Merging clubs is bad news for all concerned. Had Inverness Caley gone alone into the SFL I suspect that would have had a better support than ICT have now. Many defected to Ross County in protest over the merger. It left a feeling of bitterness with many.
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14-03-2018 09:18 AM #100This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-03-2018 10:09 AM #101
Those numbers mean that between Hibs, Hearts and Edinburgh City around 7% of Edinburgh's population attend the games along with away fans. This too will be slightly inflated because of Hearts' Murrayfield adventure.
Stenhousemuir has around 4% of their population attend their games which is pretty decent in my book considering the quality, their bogging strips, the amount of teams around them and the lure of a big team.
There's nothing to suggest that one of their ST holders is any less passionate than one of ours.
Killie are averaging 12.5% which is huge!
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14-03-2018 10:17 AM #102
All this guff about club size and attendances is Jambo nonsense. We are a small country and well run clubs, whatever their fanbase, deserve to progress in a performance based sport. There are many more populous European countries than Scotland where small clubs have survived, even occasionally thrived in the top divisions. Yes, its bad when clubs are inflated to levels they shouldn't be at, by spending money they don't have through rich owners (or worse, through bumped businesses and Lithuanian taxpayers), but that applies to the entire EPL as well as the Gretnas of this world.
What's wrong with a club like Hamilton, who bring through plenty of young, talented local players, progressing on footballing merit rather than the number of bodies who they bring to support them at away games?
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14-03-2018 10:22 AM #103
Would a Cowdenbeath fan care any less about their club than we do about Hibs? As a Fifer i'm well aware of the affection Dunfermline, Raith Rovers and East fife fans have for their clubs and they all have a history they can be extremely proud of. Dunfermline have a huge fan base and really should be a Premiership club imo.
These clubs are a huge part of the local communities and a staple part of a lot of peoples weekends. I think amalgamating clubs is a terrible idea. A regionalised system would make sense but not sure how it would work.
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14-03-2018 02:10 PM #105
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We need to cut the Professional game to 24 clubs max with the rest regionalised and absolutely strict stadium criteria
I know the 8/8/8 split got short shrift from the difficult of thinking but two qualifying leagues of 12 play each other twice and split.
Top 8 play each other again from scratch. No points carry over gives 36 games. Means a cut of 1 x home game on average but that can happen even with current set up.
Bottom 4 of tier1 and top 4 of tier2 play each other and at end the best 4 join the top qualifying tier next season. Possible 4 team churn but adds a bit bite to game.
Bottom 8 teams plus top 4 from each new regional Highland/Lowland leagues split into two seeded pools of 8. Top 4 from each pool into 2nd tier qualifying league next season.
Means Highland/Lowland regional leagues need to have adjusted season timetable, inc summer football.
Throw in a revamped single cup competition and the revenues are preserved maximised.
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14-03-2018 06:02 PM #106
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Maybe if we were to stop sectarianism at football and give it a generation or two then the Celtic or The Rangers religious bigots offspring might support a local team rather than travelling the length and breadth of the country to Spey their bile at one another. Unfortunately I’m probably hoping for a miracle.
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15-03-2018 01:51 PM #107
Cowdenbeath in trouble:
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...e-within-year/
Average attendance of 320, and looking like finishing bottom of league 2. Is there still a play off game they'd have to lose to get relegated?Mon the Hibs.
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15-03-2018 01:59 PM #108This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
From season 2014–15, the bottom League Two team enters into a play-off against the winner of a play-off between the winners of the Highland and Lowland Leagues.[4] If the Highland or Lowland team wins the final, they are promoted to League Two, with the team finishing 10th being relegated to either the Highland or Lowland league. If the League Two side prevails, they retain their place in the following season's competition.[4]
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I assume if they went into the lowlands and the winners came up from the Highlands then the team located geographically central would flip flop between leagues. In this instance, I think that would actually be cowdenbeath - the travel costs of being in the highland league would be a nightmare.Mon the Hibs.
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15-03-2018 02:17 PM #110
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15-03-2018 03:11 PM #115
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"looked at all options and there's no way we can avoid competing. We meet SPFL criteria for entry level so we can’t opt out, we’ve got to go for it."
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15-03-2018 05:20 PM #116
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If we are talking about clubs merging how could/would it work if a junior club wanted to merge with a smaller senior club ..in order to make a stronger club ! I realise that a major issue of mergers relate to history, town associations, independence, pride, ... Would the key part be about ambition, and /or financial capability making the club more solid.
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15-03-2018 05:29 PM #117
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15-03-2018 07:27 PM #118
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Its not just the fact that they have small crowds, its also that their stadia is falling apart and with low crowds there is no way they can afford to upgrade it.
I know it is hard for supporters to lose their club (just ask Third Lanark) but with a merger they have a chance of having a say in the new club, rather than being lost to football forever!!!!
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15-03-2018 07:49 PM #119This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Cold hard facts suggest that there's just not enough interest in some of these small towns for the local teams.
Maybe crowds of 3-400 is enough to keep a Lowland League team going but any club with ambitions to be even a semi-pro, national league team needs a bigger support base.
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