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15-02-2018 10:21 PM #181
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15-02-2018 10:21 PM #182
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The whole point is you should get nothing!!!
By purchasing the ST you have taken that specific revenue away from the club should you not attend!!!!
After all the club wants bums in seats, if you buy a ST and don’t attend do you think the club are 100% happy about it!!!?
From a financial POV they will be happy, they had a product and they sold it... good business.
From a football club POV they will want a bum in that seat shouting and singing and supporting the club further... and more than likely pumping more revenue into the club through pies and bovril and spontaneous club shop sales after we thump the Yams 5-0 and buy a T Shirt after the game that says so.........!
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15-02-2018 10:22 PM #183
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I consider myself a Hibs SUPPORTER!
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15-02-2018 10:23 PM #184This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Well done.
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15-02-2018 10:24 PM #185
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15-02-2018 10:29 PM #186
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The whole FAN v SUPPORTER issue is universal in football, but in the current climate where we see 100,000 people in the streets of Edinburgh celebrating the Cup victory and then struggle to beat our noisy neighbours in ST sales it’s a valid point to be made!
We could mention the dreaded HIbs Class phrase but I know that will open a whole new can of worms!Last edited by BlackSheep; 15-02-2018 at 10:31 PM.
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15-02-2018 10:34 PM #187
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To suggest that the only way to get fans to release unused seats is to incentivise it is actually a pretty low estimation of your fellow Hibees!
I think the number of empty seats will dwindle if the club make mor effort to inform everyone how to release them.
It costs nothing to send out an email to every registered fan explaining how to do so.
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16-02-2018 07:55 AM #188This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The club have details of the number of returns they get for each game, but human nature would suggest that these will be less for big games, because out of towers etc make a bigger effort to make the game. Next sold out game (no one that I can see is saying that an incentive will be paid if game isn't sold out) the club offers £5 credit to next year's season ticket (whether that is lower for child ST's is for discussion but for the sake of argument say £5 across the board) if you notify that your ticket can be resold and it sells. The club can then assess whether the scheme is profitable vs the uncompensated approach. No one knows the answer to this but a lot of posters (myself included) think it would be, you say it wouldn't be which is fine, but I'm sure we all agree that whichever is more profitable should be the route we go down.
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16-02-2018 08:32 AM #189This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What you think was "moral" guilt (whatever that is) was, in fact, sarcasm. Why would I feel guilty about empty seats? :
I have the same estimation of other Hibs supporters as I have of any other group of people. I have never suggested that there is only 1 way to encourage people to release their seats. Unlike you, I'm ruling no initiative out.
You would agree that recycling our waste is important, wouldn't you. Important to keep council tax down and important for the health of the planet, something which is even more vital than Hibs' continuing success.
Why doesn't everyone recycle all their recyclable waste? In the UK, around 50% of our glass bottles are not recycled. That's shocking, particularly when you consider that in Finland only 3% gets through the net.
Why the difference? You've guessed it. There is a small financial incentive for returning used glass bottles. Even for something as important as the health of our planet, and the environment that we and our children live in, people don't do the right thing.
Mind you, they're not supporters like you, right enough. (For the sake of clarity, that was also sarcasm).
In any case, as I've said before, it's academic so I'll just leave it there.
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16-02-2018 08:35 AM #190
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16-02-2018 09:07 AM #191
All pretty straight forward, offer the ticket holder the money they paid for said seat when they hand it back to the club if they can't make certain games, not really rocket science, maybe charge a small admin fee to do so.
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16-02-2018 09:42 AM #192
If there was an easy way where you could log on and give your ticket back, then recieve a small refund if sold, then i'm all for it.
Where i would not refund anything, would be if the ticket was a discounted one, they are already benefiting greatly in my opinion.
I'd imagine if it was easy, and if it did give that refund or a sum of credit say for the club shop, more folk would make the effort than if nothing was forthcoming.
Personally i feel that would be the fair way to go, sometimes a little incentive is needed for folk to act, it is easy to do nothing.
And of course if that ticket is resold, its win win.
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16-02-2018 11:37 AM #193
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Like the Finnish incentivised recycling programme, I don’t deny that it would work, but I cannot deny that it’s disappointing that funds that could be used for better things are used to pay people to ‘do the right thing’. Maybe it’s a generational thing, I see a lot more older generations that do not make the effort to recycle. It’s certainly not down to being misinformed about recycling in the uk, most councils do almost all of the work for you! Those who choose not to recycle in this country are more than likely just lazy. In the ST scenario the fans are actually asked to do a bit more work themselves (a quick email seems too much for some folk!) so I can see their struggle with the additional steps :)
Can I ask you directly, what is your issue with the club getting all the money from reselling STs?
You are more than aware of the process of returning your ST, do you return it if you cannot attend and cannot pass it on to a friend?Last edited by BlackSheep; 16-02-2018 at 11:44 AM.
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16-02-2018 01:23 PM #196
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16-02-2018 01:24 PM #197
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So you are saying that you think Hibs making £22 per resold seat, is worse than Hibs making £17 on resold seats and you get a fiver!!!!!
My argument has always been to make the process easy, straight forward and most of all with no financial incentive. So that HIBS CAN MAXIMISE FUNDS, not you!!!
It’s seems that a lot of people on here would only return their unused ST if they were rewarded for doing so, which I feel is a shame.
What it seems many of you are doing in this debate is making assumptions that should every ST holder be perfectly aware of how to return their unused ST seat that most would only do so for financial gain!!!Last edited by BlackSheep; 16-02-2018 at 01:35 PM.
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16-02-2018 01:26 PM #198
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Do you need me to explain in context???
Here’s a hint... read the rest of the post and you will understand the point.Last edited by BlackSheep; 16-02-2018 at 01:37 PM.
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16-02-2018 01:55 PM #199This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Since this is only happening for sold out games would we only resell that to an adult rather than concession, if it was to a concession we'd make less so aren't maximising revenue.
All the people (myself included) who can't go but pass on their ticket to a friend, if we passed it back to the club the club would make money, but just about everyone would accept that giving it to a friend is a reasonable thing to do
We have at most six games a season where this might be an issue. By all means the club could (and should) do more to make it clear to people that if they can't go they should return their season ticket, but how long does that plea fall on deaf ears before they give up? Some people need incentivised to do things, so give it a try and see if it's more profitable.
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16-02-2018 02:13 PM #200
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Yup, we all have friends to pass on our tickets to in our absence but there is the odd time that even they cannot go in your place.
This is where this discussion started.
Yes how long can the club ask for unused ST to be returned? No one knows because they haven’t tried it yet... their recent mention of the process on social media was the first I have seen publicly tried and it was more of a pop than with an attention catching bang if you get what I mean.
The one aspect of this discussion that seems to divide people is the incentive-to-make-folk-aware approach.
Until the club have tried and failed to make it public knowledge and shoved it down our throats that we can return unused STs I am not for trying the incentive based approach.
As for maximising profits, the tickets can be resold to any level of buyer be it Adult, Child or Concession... my only wish is that if the ticket is resold, HIbs keep 100% of the resale.
I am in not correct in saying that if we can create a system where ST holder return their ticket for no reward and Hibs make 100% resale then this is the best solution.
It just seems to me that some folk are not willing to try and spread the word and make fans aware of the process without an added incentive.
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16-02-2018 04:52 PM #201
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- Flogging the arse out of this thread with a truly vast number of words typed
- Relentless commitment to supercilious responses to reasonable posts
- Bringing exceptional levels of complexity to arguments around a really straightforward subject
So to summarise, if Hibs do a better job of publicising the returns process they'll probably be able to resell more tickets without an incentive scheme. And if there are still lots of empty seats at sold out games after doing that then considering an incentive scheme is worth doing if it generates, net, more income for Hibs because volume increase offsets cost of incentive.
Is that about the size of it?
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16-02-2018 05:24 PM #203
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I'll go along with that as a reasonable suggestion.
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16-02-2018 05:37 PM #205
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But that’s the long and short of it.
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