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    I do understand where Scouse Hibby is coming from but sadly itís an indictment of the world we live in today. Mars Bars arenít the same size they were 10 years ago and are dearer but people still buy them. Same with a lot of foods and household items.
    Unfortunately same principle is being applied to ST benefit. As long as the core purpose is being made available we have to suck it up even though some of the added benefits we used to have are a thing of the past. It wonít change any time in the future.
    Back when we were relegated, I was very vocal at the fact ST holders were being asked to continue paying Premiership prices for 1st Division games. Eventually my wrath calmed downed and was placated fully after taking full advantage of the CTU in the 15/16 season. We know that led to 2 finals and a certain day in May 2016.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hibby6270 View Post
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    I do understand where Scouse Hibby is coming from but sadly itís an indictment of the world we live in today. Mars Bars arenít the same size they were 10 years ago and are dearer but people still buy them. Same with a lot of foods and household items.
    Unfortunately same principle is being applied to ST benefit. As long as the core purpose is being made available we have to suck it up even though some of the added benefits we used to have are a thing of the past. It wonít change any time in the future.
    Back when we were relegated, I was very vocal at the fact ST holders were being asked to continue paying Premiership prices for 1st Division games. Eventually my wrath calmed downed and was placated fully after taking full advantage of the CTU in the 15/16 season. We know that led to 2 finals and a certain day in May 2016.
    Yes valid points, but remember I too have continued to buy a season ticket along with a Mars bar. I won't be returning them to Mars to resell though as I realise I can't eat them before the use by date!
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    I really donít get some posters on here... maybe itís a generational thing, maybe they werenít encouraged to share when they were children.

    I for one hated sharing my things, cos no doubt they would come back to me in worse condition than went they were lent out.

    But this is a whole different kettle of fish!

    If you cannot make a match then what does it matter to you if the club resell it?? I tend to give my ST to friends when I cannot make it... whether the club agree or not. If no one wanted the ST for a match I would let the club know they could resell it because every penny counts in Scottish football....!! And I do not expect any recompense for doing so... because itís my choice to give it back, Iím not being forced by the club or by other fans, I am choosing to Ďdonateí my ticket back to the club, so the club can benefit.

    I am really really struggling to see why some fans are angry about the suggestion of Ďdonatingí their ticket back to the club for these situations or expecting something in return....!

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    I really donít get some poster on here... maybe itís a generational thing, maybe they werenít encouraged to share when they were children.

    I for one hated sharing my things, cos no doubt they would come back to me in worse condition than went they were lent out.

    But this is a whole different kettle of fish!

    If you cannot make a match then what does it matter to you if the club resell it?? I tend to give my ST to friends when I cannot make it... whether the club agree or not. If no one wanted the ST for a match I would let the club know they could resell it because every penny counts in Scottish football....!! And I do not expect any recompense for doing so... because itís my choice to give it back, Iím not being forced by the club or by other fans, I am choosing to Ďdonateí my ticket back to the club, so the club can benefit.

    I am really really struggling to see why some fans are angry about the suggestion of Ďdonatingí their ticket back to the club for these situations or expecting something in return....!
    I'm not angry, as you have said it's your choice to give it back, it's also my choice not to it's as simple as that. As for your amateur psychology theory about sharing as a child, nice theory but not true.

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    Itís a matter of choice. I donít think any fan should be thought any more/less of because they do/donít allow their seat to go to resell.

    What I would observe tho is this % significant? Do the club have figures (they must do otherwise the system and security is stuffed)

    What would this mean for me future loyalty scheme - would resold tickets count the same as a normal walk up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheep View Post
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    I really donít get some posters on here... maybe itís a generational thing, maybe they werenít encouraged to share when they were children.

    I for one hated sharing my things, cos no doubt they would come back to me in worse condition than went they were lent out.

    But this is a whole different kettle of fish!

    If you cannot make a match then what does it matter to you if the club resell it?? I tend to give my ST to friends when I cannot make it... whether the club agree or not. If no one wanted the ST for a match I would let the club know they could resell it because every penny counts in Scottish football....!! And I do not expect any recompense for doing so... because itís my choice to give it back, Iím not being forced by the club or by other fans, I am choosing to Ďdonateí my ticket back to the club, so the club can benefit.

    I am really really struggling to see why some fans are angry about the suggestion of Ďdonatingí their ticket back to the club for these situations or expecting something in return....!
    Who's angry?

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    I usually go with my dad and out of the folk sitting around us Iím the youngest by a good 20 years probably!

    If I donít go and release my ticket then he could be left sitting with some complete thug that shouts and swears through the whole game and is a general pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydreamer View Post
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    Best idea I've heard on here for a long time
    So I should be hit with a £50 increase on my season tickets bill because other people don't show up? An extra £50 On top would probably mean not being able to get my sons' season tickets or my own.

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    So like I said your one of the ones that want something for nothing. The club donít e you a favour back in the day by giving a few nice added touches, when in reality the only benefit you should need from buyin g a season ticket is you get a guaranteed seat at every home game at a much reduced rate to a walk up supporter, and the club can then buy players early due to having the money up front.

    I find it astonishing that people hold removing the c up top up against the club. They were losing an absolute fortune on it year on year because of our home ties, so not only do you want the club not to make added money, you want them to lose out on money for your own personal gain. Unbelievable.
    Arenít the club wanting something for nothing? The ST holder has paid for a seat he might not use but the club want to sell this again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs View Post
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    Arenít the club wanting something for nothing? The ST holder has paid for a seat he might not use but the club want to sell this again?
    That'll be the club we support.

    Another way to look at it is that a Hibs fan who you don't know will get to see the game.

    It's a win/win/win situation.

    The fan wins, Hibs win and the ST holder wins (if there's a % returned).

    Why anyone would prefer a Lose/lose/lose is baffling, but there's no accounting for folk.

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    Surely it's up to the individual to decide whether or not they want to put their ticket up for resale? Personally I don't have a problem, I've e mailed the Club twice this season to make my concessionary season ticket available and if they can resell it at full price then so be it. At the end of the day it's more money in the pot.

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    I go with three kids to the West Upper. If one of them don't go(very unlikely to be me as 1. I'm tight and 2. Hibs beat pretty much every other type of engagement for me and I am clear about that with my family) then I always try to get one of their mates to attend of upgrade it and get a mate to come along. I have thought about releasing their tickets a few times but then I have no idea who will get it and I sit surrounded by great supporters and have no issue with the kids. The last thing I want is a fan who is drunk, screaming and shouting obscenities. From my experience the games that releasing unused tickets would be the games where fans are most likely to have a few bevvies and those getting the unused tickets are the most likely to have not been to a game for years. The type of fans that mean I try never to sit behind the goals a semis and finals because the behaviour is so poor.

    If there is a day when all three kids don't go then I'll release them but until them I'll probably stick with giving them to friends for no cost.

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    Cheap kids tickets should stay cheap but should not be valid for games against Hearts, Celtic or Rangers
    Alternatively the adult would have to email the club no more than a week before matches against the above 3 clubs if the kid is going to attend the match otherwise the club will release the kids ticket for purchase.

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    Arenít the club wanting something for nothing? The ST holder has paid for a seat he might not use but the club want to sell this again?

    Don't understand.Who ever buys the seat gets a match to watch.In fact it's the same deal we all get.Do you think that is the club wanting something for nothing?

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    Don't understand.Who ever buys the seat gets a match to watch.In fact it's the same deal we all get.Do you think that is the club wanting something for nothing?
    I was reading a few comments saying that ďpeopleĒ want money for nothing, ie by asking for money back for the ticket theyíve paid for.

    By releasing it to the club they get to sell it for a 2nd time meaning they get £50+ for one seat - thatís money for nothing isnít it?

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    That'll be the club we support.

    Another way to look at it is that a Hibs fan who you don't know will get to see the game.

    It's a win/win/win situation.

    The fan wins, Hibs win and the ST holder wins (if there's a % returned).

    Why anyone would prefer a Lose/lose/lose is baffling, but there's no accounting for folk.

    Aye the club we support. They get to sell a seat to 2 folk so get free money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    I'm not angry, as you have said it's your choice to give it back, it's also my choice not to it's as simple as that. As for your amateur psychology theory about sharing as a child, nice theory but not true.
    You come across as pretty miffed to be honest, and my statement wasnít really specifically about you. This debate has been going on for a while and this season it has gathered steam as our recent success and now our place in the top tier only adds to the debate.

    We all want Hibs to do well, and if helping fund the club helps with Hibs future success then I am happy to do so, any fan should be happy to contribute.... it costs you nothing to donate your seat back to the club when you cannot attend and it makes the club more money. Hibs are not expecting you to dig deeper in your pockets, in fact they are not even formally asking you to donate anything.... it just seems that those who are reluctant to do so when it comes at no cost to those fans is a bit rubbish!!

    I can see I will never Ďwiní this debate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs View Post
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    Aye the club we support. They get to sell a seat to 2 folk so get free money.
    That's a good thing, right?

    More money for the club, more fans at the game, better atmosphere.
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    That's a good thing, right?

    More money for the club, more fans at the game, better atmosphere.
    I suppose it is. My point which I seem to be having difficulty in making clear is folk were being criticised for wanting ďsomething for nothingĒ whereas actually itís Hibs that want/are getting ďsomething for nothingĒ.

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    You come across as pretty miffed to be honest, and my statement wasnít really specifically about you. This debate has been going on for a while and this season it has gathered steam as our recent success and now our place in the top tier only adds to the debate.

    We all want Hibs to do well, and if helping fund the club helps with Hibs future success then I am happy to do so, any fan should be happy to contribute.... it costs you nothing to donate your seat back to the club when you cannot attend and it makes the club more money. Hibs are not expecting you to dig deeper in your pockets, in fact they are not even formally asking you to donate anything.... it just seems that those who are reluctant to do so when it comes at no cost to those fans is a bit rubbish!!

    I can see I will never Ďwiní this debate....
    As I said mate it's about choices and opinions. There doesn't have to be a 'winner' surely? This board is all about discussion and as long as it stays free from personal insults which it has then it's good to talk/ discuss these issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    As I said mate it's about choices and opinions. There doesn't have to be a 'winner' surely? This board is all about discussion and as long as it stays free from personal insults which it has then it's good to talk/ discuss these issues.
    I totally agree mate, at the end of the day itís only football.

    Out of interest, where is your ST seat...? In future if you canít make it Iím sure I may know a few folk that would be interested in Ďbuyingí your seat for any sold out matches 😊

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs View Post
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    I suppose it is. My point which I seem to be having difficulty in making clear is folk were being criticised for wanting ďsomething for nothingĒ whereas actually itís Hibs that want/are getting ďsomething for nothingĒ.
    I hear you..... I think what's making it difficult for you getting that message across is that, so far, Hibs are not even in the discussions...
    As it stands, getting tickets put back onto the availability list is costing them manpower etc to manage it, so while they should make money by reselling those tickets it'll be less than a straight sale... That said... Anything that brings in revenue to the club can only ever be a good thing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheep View Post
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    I totally agree mate, at the end of the day itís only football.

    Out of interest, where is your ST seat...? In future if you canít make it Iím sure I may know a few folk that would be interested in Ďbuyingí your seat for any sold out matches 😊
    It's in the West Upper Row HH, I have a couple of regular recipients if I can't make it, I have never charged anyone to use it nor would I. It's been paid for..... once by me. 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    I'm not angry, as you have said it's your choice to give it back, it's also my choice not to it's as simple as that. As for your amateur psychology theory about sharing as a child, nice theory but not true.
    Hmmm,Everton fan obviously,mind you,the me,me,me,suggests Liverpool.
    Defo(havint seen that bad boy in a while😁) a jamboree !

    Seriously,why trumpet the fact......."it's ma ticket........I'm gonna be in Blackpool gettin' pissed.....YOU arny getting it.....at any price"

    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabis View Post
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    Hmmm,Everton fan obviously,mind you,the me,me,me,suggests Liverpool.
    Defo(havint seen that bad boy in a while😁) a jamboree !

    Seriously,why trumpet the fact......."it's ma ticket........I'm gonna be in Blackpool gettin' pissed.....YOU arny getting it.....at any price"

    ?
    Never understood a word of that.😁
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    Until the day that Hibs sell out every game and fans are left wanting a ticket- why all the anger on here? It's very rarely a fan can't get a seat at ER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post
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    I shouldn't imagine the set-up costs would be much as it's already part of Ticketmaster's service offering. The ongoing costs could be met out of resales. Any money going to Hibs is profit.
    It wouldn't be any profit to Hibs except for a complete sell-out (Hearts, OF).

    For the Aberdeen match, for example, reselling season tickets rather than shifting South Stand tickets would leave the club out of pocket.

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    Until the day that Hibs sell out every game and fans are left wanting a ticket- why all the anger on here? It's very rarely a fan can't get a seat at ER.
    Not that rare these days. Both Hearts games have sold out. The Rangers one before Christmas did as it will when we next play them at ER.

    Doesnít sound much when you put it like that but itís getting on for a quarter of our home games in the league. When it is Ďsold outí but a number of seats are left unoccupied, and people who want to go canít despite that, then I donít think itís unreasonable for folk to raise questions on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    Never understood a word of that.😁
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs View Post
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    I suppose it is. My point which I seem to be having difficulty in making clear is folk were being criticised for wanting ďsomething for nothingĒ whereas actually itís Hibs that want/are getting ďsomething for nothingĒ.
    Hibs are not really getting something for nothing in this Ďdealí... football is an entertainment business and they are providing a service which people pay for by buying a ticket to watch.

    If you buy a season ticket but cannot go and then offer to donate it back to the club, it benefits the club financially, yes, but is that not a good thing.... we are not a club that doesnít need money are we?

    Im not trying to stir anything but the idea that one should get something in return for donating their seat back is just greed, imho.

    The question that seems to go unanswered on these debates is why donít those unwilling to release/donate their seat back on these occasions want to help out the club financially as well as fill the home seats to help boost the overall atmosphere for these big matches...???

    i am keen on reiterating the term donate as this to me is the best way to describe this action. In other words, when one donates funds/clothes/food to charity, do you then stand with your hands out waiting for something in return?

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