Neil Lennon - best manager since...

***AgentDaleCooper*** · 06-02-2018 01:33 AM

...who? i know stubbs brought us the holy grail, but i think lennon is a more gifted, all round manager. he's certainly the best we've had in my life time (i.e. since 1988). it's pretty crazy when you think about it, that we got the last manager to get a scottish club team into the last 16 of the champions league.

**Swedish hibee** · 06-02-2018 02:01 AM

Oh don't start this again.
That cup win was the greatest day of my life. Full stop.

**houstonhibbee** · 06-02-2018 03:06 AM

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...who? i know stubbs brought us the holy grail, but i think lennon is a more gifted, all round manager. he's certainly the best we've had in my life time (i.e. since 1988). it's pretty crazy when you think about it, that we got the last manager to get a scottish club team into the last 16 of the champions league.

we're not quite there yet but this has to be the most exciting time with the potential to be the most successful period in our history since 72-74, as long as we keep Leanne and Neil.

**jijihibby** · 06-02-2018 03:10 AM

I agree; it is essential we hang on to these two specially gifted and driven people for as long as is humanly possible.

***Viva_Palmeiras*** · 06-02-2018 05:05 AM

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Oh don't start this again.
That cup win was the greatest day of my life. Full stop.

Sense spoken. He’s having a giraffe.

**Doh Rae Me** · 06-02-2018 05:27 AM

...... Before Alex Miller.

Imho.

**lyonhibs** · 06-02-2018 05:48 AM

Since Alan Stubbs. End of thread.

**Just Jimmy** · 06-02-2018 07:57 AM

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Since Alan Stubbs. End of thread.

SIR Alan Stubbs.

Now, it's end of thread.

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***WhileTheChief..*** · 06-02-2018 08:08 AM

Lennon is the best although my dad would say Turnbull.

No need to close the thread, let others have their say!

**~~IGRIGI~~** · 06-02-2018 08:27 AM

Alan Stubbs who finished 3rd behind Falkirk.

I'll just grab the popcorn now.

**pacoluna** · 06-02-2018 08:33 AM

on par with tony Mowbray in my life time , If he stays for a while he will overlap him however.

**hibs#1** · 06-02-2018 08:34 AM

Statistically speaking he is the best since Stubbs

Stubbs had 58% win ratio
Lennon has 50.67% win ratio
Best before that was Wille Macfarlane in 69/70 with 51.76%

That's from Wikipedia so might not be 100% accurate.

**hibsbollah** · 06-02-2018 08:46 AM

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Statistically speaking he is the best since Stubbs

Stubbs had 58% win ratio
Lennon has 50.67% win ratio
Best before that was Wille Macfarlane in 69/70 with 51.76%

That's from Wikipedia so might not be 100% accurate.

Obviously Stubbs played more games in the second tier than Lennon so the comparison is a wee bit unfair. Our current performance this season is broadly on target to match McFarlanes team, who finished 3rd with a 19-6-9 wdl record.

**~~Peevemor~~** · 06-02-2018 08:46 AM

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Statistically speaking he is the best since Stubbs

Stubbs had 58% win ratio
Lennon has 50.67% win ratio
Best before that was Wille Macfarlane in 69/70 with 51.76%

That's from Wikipedia so might not be 100% accurate.

If these stats are accurate then Lennon's are pretty impressive given that we weren't in the top league under Stubbs.

***Northernhibee*** · 06-02-2018 08:48 AM

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Alan Stubbs who finished 3rd behind Falkirk.

I'll just grab the popcorn now.

In a season we reached both cup finals and lost our form due to injuries and a grueling winter schedule. Mourinho would have struggled with that.

Stubbs achievement in the end that season was incredible.

***Hibbyradge*** · 06-02-2018 08:49 AM

He's not won anything so we can rule out Turnbull, Miller, Collins and Stubbs.

Other than that, take your pick.

***jacomo*** · 06-02-2018 08:51 AM

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Alan Stubbs who finished 3rd behind Falkirk.

I'll just grab the popcorn now.

***JimBHibees*** · 06-02-2018 08:52 AM

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He's not won anything so we can rule out Turnbull, Miller, Collins and Stubbs.

Other than that, take your pick.

Won the championship.

***Stevie Reid*** · 06-02-2018 08:54 AM

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If these stats are accurate then Lennon's are pretty impressive given that we weren't in the top league under Stubbs.

Soccerbase stats work them out as that also. Stubbs was in charge for 100 games:

W 58 D 19 L 23

Lennon has 80 games so far:

W 41 D 24 L 15

Lennon has been in charge for ten less league games than Stubbs. Stubbs lost 16 league games in the Championship - Lennon has nine losses from 62 league games across Championship and SPL.

***Hibbyradge*** · 06-02-2018 08:55 AM

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Won the championship.

So he's the best manager since Alex McLeish, then.

FACT.

**SouthsideHarp_Bhoy** · 06-02-2018 08:58 AM

Think this is all a bit premature.

Fenlon had us third, Yogi had us third, McLeish and Mogga finished third.

Im excited about him, and i like him, but lets not get carried away.

***wookie70*** · 06-02-2018 09:15 AM

A bit early to judge for me. I would say Stubbs was better(Cup win, cup runs, rebuilt squad and team spirit from rock bottom, good eye for a player, style of play) so Lennon isn't the best manager since anyone else. He won the Championship but without the kind of competition Stubbs had. From what I read St. Mirren have more points than we did at this stage last year against similar opposition but on a fraction of our budget. Lennon has done really well in the league this year and the new signings look a step up on their predecessors, at least on the back of a couple of good wins. Lot's of the good qualities that Stubbs brought have been maintained with Lennon and you could definitely argue we are a bit more resilient and have a bit more steel.

When Stubbs' team break up, probably in the summer, we will start to get an idea how good Lennon is as a manager. If we are up fighting in the same position next year as we are this year then he will be the best manager for a good while. At the moment he is a manager doing what he is expected to do or slightly above that, which to be fair is a step up on most we have had in the 40 odd years I've watched Hibs. The vast majority of Hibs managers in my time were failures and Lennon has been a success up to this point and hopefully for a good while to come.

**Franck Stanton** · 06-02-2018 09:30 AM

Would hate to have seen some of the replies to this question had it been asked on the day after the s/c defeat to the ****mies.

**ancient hibee** · 06-02-2018 09:49 AM

Just as one defeat doesn’t turn him into a dumpling so a good victory at Rangers(who we should have slaughtered at ER)doesn’t turn him into a genius.He’s a good manager who has instilled some backbone but he has some way to go before he could be classed as a Hugh Shaw or Eddie Turnbull.Hopefully he’ll be here long enough to have a shot at it.

**FilipinoHibs** · 06-02-2018 09:51 AM

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Lennon is the best although my dad would say Turnbull.

No need to close the thread, let others have their say!

Turnbull then Lennon. saw both their teams and all in between. Both winners and tactically smart.

**hibs#1** · 06-02-2018 09:55 AM

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Turnbull then Lennon. saw both their teams and all in between. Both winners and tactically smart.

Turnbull has 48.24% win ratio his is taken over 450+ games so over the piece he probably is our greatest ever manager.

**FilipinoHibs** · 06-02-2018 10:00 AM

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Turnbull has 48.24% win ratio his is taken over 450+ games so over the piece he probably is our greatest ever manager.

Agree Eddie by several lengths. had to compete with the Lisbon lions and challenged the best in England.

**~~G B Young~~** · 06-02-2018 10:36 AM

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Agree Eddie by several lengths. had to compete with the Lisbon lions and challenged the best in England.

Turnbull's longevity also counts in his favour. In his full seasons as boss we finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 4th, 5th. This at a time, as you say, when Celtic were at their peak. He stayed on too long and prior to his departure he had us bound for relegation, but at his best there were few to match him. He won us a major trophy plus a couple of Drybrough Cups, took us to three other domestic finals and last eight of the Cup Winners Cup.

More recently, when managers don't tend to stay longer than a handful of seasons, Tony Mowbray's achievement in finishing 3rd and 4th deserves a lot of credit.

**pacoluna** · 06-02-2018 10:40 AM

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A bit early to judge for me. I would say Stubbs was better(Cup win, cup runs, rebuilt squad and team spirit from rock bottom, good eye for a player, style of play) so Lennon isn't the best manager since anyone else. He won the Championship but without the kind of competition Stubbs had. From what I read St. Mirren have more points than we did at this stage last year against similar opposition but on a fraction of our budget. Lennon has done really well in the league this year and the new signings look a step up on their predecessors, at least on the back of a couple of good wins. Lot's of the good qualities that Stubbs brought have been maintained with Lennon and you could definitely argue we are a bit more resilient and have a bit more steel.

When Stubbs' team break up, probably in the summer, we will start to get an idea how good Lennon is as a manager. If we are up fighting in the same position next year as we are this year then he will be the best manager for a good while. At the moment he is a manager doing what he is expected to do or slightly above that, which to be fair is a step up on most we have had in the 40 odd years I've watched Hibs. The vast majority of Hibs managers in my time were failures and Lennon has been a success up to this point and hopefully for a good while to come.

Did Stubbs do what he was expected to do?