Might be getting ahead of myself here but it's coming soon!
If I've got this right we'll have another visit to them and the sheep. With "the cheeks" at home along with either Kilmarnock or St Johnstone as it currently stands.
I'm assuming that if some how Motherwell make the top six they'll be at ER for a third time.
This is one thing I've not missed about the top flight... only in Scotland!
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04-02-2018 11:37 AM #1
That wonderful Scottish anomaly, "the split"
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04-02-2018 11:41 AM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Home to Rangers, Celtic an another
Away to Aberdeen and Hearts
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04-02-2018 11:43 AM #3
You're assuming that we get three home games after the split because we only have sixteen prior to it.
We wouldn't be the first team to get shafted by only having two home games because that was the only way to get the schedule to work for everyone else.
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04-02-2018 12:07 PM #5
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I have always liked the idea of the split, but it looks like it will be open to is getting shafted. A 3rd trip to Ibrox would not surprise me, but since we always seem to win there I’ll take it
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04-02-2018 12:27 PM #7
It's not perfect but I do think it adds a bit of excitement for the season as a target to achieve with obvious awards. And then it is more exciting facing the teams you're competing with for places. It'd be crap if we were close to Aberdeen for 2nd but they were playing Hamilton and County at home. Hopefully the Aberdeen and Rangers games are with these places still up for grabs. Wouldnt mind no derby either 😈
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04-02-2018 12:36 PM #8
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If we only get 2 games at home after the split I wonder if Hibs will make deduction of next years season ticket to compensate
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04-02-2018 12:44 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Season tickets will be on sale before the split is announced
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04-02-2018 12:49 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There are arguments for and against the split but for me it is a farce. It exists to cut out matches against the unfashionable teams - giving us extra games against clubs we already play too many times a season.
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04-02-2018 12:55 PM #11
It exists because 44 games is too many for a league season.
Not many leagues have the majority of matches meaning something going into the final 5. EPL is all too aware of that.
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04-02-2018 01:00 PM #13
On a plus point our away form is pretty good, another trip to Ibrox is guaranteed 3 points.
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04-02-2018 01:00 PM #14
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Playing teams 3/4 times gets so boring. In the short term let's increase the number of teams and play each other twice. Longer term let's get the Atlantic league sorted out.
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04-02-2018 01:11 PM #15
There is nothing wrong with the split in theory .... its the reality of it that's the problem.
Its daft that in order to make the top 6 which obviously means more money some teams have what on paper is a tougher schedule than others. EG having to visit Parkhead, Ibrox or Pittodrie twice when other teams have to do it once.
If the league was once home and away prior to the split that would make it fair and then the same after the split .... that's possible with a 16 team league splitting into an 8/8 after the first round of fixtures .... the only problem with that is that it would give a total schedule of 44 games, 6 more than now.
A 14 team league with a 7/7 split would give each team a pre split schedule of 26 matches and a post split schedule of 12 matches giving exactly the same amount of fixtures as now IE 38 matches .... it would of course mean that post split one club would have to sit it out every weekend, which doesn't seem that big a deal if the end result is a level playing field over the whole season.
Having said that of course it would mean one team from both sides of the split having to finish their season a week earlier than everybody else and without having a free week where they could rest their players ..... that could be applied to the team bottom of the league at the split and the team who squeaked into the top half in 7th place when the split came.Last edited by NAE NOOKIE; 04-02-2018 at 01:18 PM.
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Yes this is the bigger problem imo.
It also helps those teams with bigger budgets as you are less likely to come out on top the more games you play. We were quits with Celtc after 2 league games but will be lucky to come out even after four.
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Look at Motherwell ..... that would be giving up potential away crowds of 3,000 each from the Uglies and at least 1000 each from Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen ... that's a total of 9,000 fans paying on average about £22 each, or £198,000 ..... a fortune to Motherwell. You can also chuck in the drop in their home fans who cant be bothered to watch yet another meaningless fixture to the likes of St Johnstone or Dundee.
As for an 'Atlantic League' ..... That's going to be dictated by TV audiences as well, not crowds. The big markets like The Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and Sweden will dictate how many clubs from each country make any Atlantic league. Where's the evidence in that scenario that a country like Scotland will even get more than the two obvious candidates into such a league?
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04-02-2018 01:43 PM #18
If all goes to plan, this'll be the first time we've made the top half of the split since 2010. That's quite extraordinary.
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He'll die before he's sold.
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Huge incentive to hang on to 4th, or even get 3rd
Last year 3rd got £1.7 million and 4th, £1.5m. Even 6th got £1.3m
Not sure what this seasons payments are?
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04-02-2018 06:11 PM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
All this assumes attendances stay the same, which is a false assumption.
Most Scottish football stadia have spare capacity most weeks. It stands to reason that if a club is playing one home league fixture against a rival rather than two, attendance for that match would increase.
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04-02-2018 06:18 PM #22
Havent read through thw thread so dont know if mentioned but if killie make the top 6 the rangers will have played the other teams in the top 6 at home twice before the split.
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04-02-2018 06:26 PM #23
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04-02-2018 06:29 PM #24
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I have always found the split a target for failure, I can say I am not interested in making the split I am interested in finishing in the top 4 every season of course by default making top 6 of split. I just really ignore it tbh.
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04-02-2018 06:45 PM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Maybe the solution is a 44 game season, with more midweek games to force clubs to rotate their squads which would mean giving youngsters like Murray or Porteous more game time than they get at present. But that would favour the clubs with more money who would have deeper squads.
Personally I liked the 12/12 splitting into 8/8/8 idea. OK, we would still play some teams twice at home, but those games would be against teams of equal quality to ourselves so the matches would be more competitive than seeing Livingston or Morton put ten men behind the ball. It would also mean that relegation was less serious, so teams would not be so worried about a bad season since they'd be able to bounce back quickly the next year. That in turn should lead to better football being played.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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04-02-2018 07:02 PM #26
16 teams playing each other twice per season. I don't care whether or not there are pointless games or drop in attendances or finances because, the only way we can fix Scottish Football, is by returning it to the point it worked best! Drop in attendances and finance is a complete red herring as it would mean that all clubs were unable to live within their means at this very point. True of some but forcing the issue re FPP, for me and IMO, is to ensure clubs do live within their means. TV money will only get worse in the coming years as our league is a joke and in need of serious redevelopment inclusive of the SPFL and the SFA. Scottish Football needs to learn to live without a TV subsidy.
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