Both have been wonderful to watch and are, of course, 21.5.16 legends. However, today was the latest performance when I find myself questioning how productive they are. Neither score goals, can take corners or free-kicks, or create goal scoring chances from open play. Both have given wonderful entertainment at a club where we appreciate footballers but it's all about getting the ball in the net and neither make much of a contribution in that respect, which I find frustrating given their ability.
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Thread: Dylan & SJM
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21-01-2018 08:23 PM #1
Dylan & SJM
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21-01-2018 08:29 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I ve been saying for ages now , for all that mcginn , McGeough , and bartley are excellent central midfielders in their own right our midfield lacks the right balance to it. Our midfield isn’t anywhere near creative enough and its ridiculous how few goals our midfield score.
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21-01-2018 08:36 PM #4
Dylan is a phenomenal football player that this country doesn't produce enough of. I don't expect him to score many goals in the same way I didn't expect many goals from Xavi/Iniesta or Pirlo in their peak (granted they're playing at a much higher level)
He's a football player. Takes the ball, regardless of whether its in tight spaces and will find a pass. Our best player as far as I'm concerned.
I admit we need a box to box goalscoring midfielder but that is absolutely not in place of Dylan Mcgeough
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21-01-2018 08:37 PM #5
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One of them needs dropped for a goal scoring midfielder or at least someone that can beat the first man with a corner or free kick.
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21-01-2018 08:39 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That is where Lennon needs to delivering when mcginn does leave. A crestive goalscoring midfielder is a must
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21-01-2018 08:42 PM #7
McGinn would be worth about £2m more if he didn't take our set pieces.
I seem to be in a minority of 1 here, but I didn't think they were that bad.
We were worse when Bartley went off, but we were 5 minutes away from getting a scrappy draw, and I'd have backed us to beat them in a football game on a football pitch.
If we're looking to make changes, I don't think this is where I'd start.
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21-01-2018 10:38 PM #9
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I’d be over the moon if Dylan and SJM where in our starting line up at the start of next season.. definitely not the problem at ER..
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21-01-2018 11:23 PM #10
I agree they are good players, but SJM hasn't been playing very well recently. Maybe it is speculation that is putting him or that he gets booted all over the place and closed down so much. Dylan while good misplaces passes, like the rest of the team.
Some SPFL teams have a brutal stop us playing style that we seem unable to over come.
The OP does have a point that as good as they are they do not add a goal threat when our strikers are not on it. Show me better, goal scoring midfeilders for the same money and I would swap them, legends or not.
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21-01-2018 11:27 PM #11
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We defo need a goal scoring midfield player. I'm very happy with SJM but even happier with Dylan. I would say SJM setpieces are not good enough.
Was Swanson not to be this player?
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21-01-2018 11:31 PM #12
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Set pieces today were excruciating - floaty nonsense.
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22-01-2018 02:21 AM #13
Both are very good however we seem off balance with them.
Against the better teams them 2 along with Bartley is solid and we play brilliantly.
When there is 3 in centre mid I don’t feel like we create enough.
When it’s just them 2 I don’t feel like we have enough protection in centre mid.
The problem is neither of them make forward runs.
If you look at Aberdeen’s centre mids, Maclean, Shinnie and Christie. All of them are constantly making forward runs and finding areas where they can hurt teams. They also have the desire to get in the box to score.
Dylan and John like getting on it deep and trying to dictate the tempo.
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22-01-2018 03:17 AM #14
Two very very good players on their day but yesterday I thought McGinn was poor and although Dylan had a alright first half, he fell out of the game in the second half and appeared to tire.
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22-01-2018 06:34 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-01-2018 07:14 AM #18
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22-01-2018 07:31 AM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-01-2018 07:32 AM #20This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If none of the other 3 midfielders are interested in getting into the box then it has to be 2 from 3 in the starting line up. We have achieved some great results with SJM, Dylan & Marv but are always going to struggle to score goals. Something has to give.
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22-01-2018 08:22 AM #21
Every team in Scotland (apart from Celtic) would have these two in their starting line-up.
It's true that we don't get many goals from McGeouch and McGinn but what they do give to the team more than compensates. Most true football fans would also say that watching players like them makes the cost of football worth it.
If you accept that then you have to make sure we have goals and assists from elsewhere (although McGinn does create goals). That is where we have been lacking IMHO.
As far as goal-scoring is concerned we have had a poor return from Stokes, Murray and Boyle. Boyle has improved immeasurably over the last year or so but he has missed more clear-cut chances for us this season than any other player. Murray has threatened to be good for us but is struggling to shake off the concern that once other teams sussed him out he doesn't have the all-round game for this level. Stokes has simply been disappointing.
Barker always looks a cut above those three when he's on the pitch (as was the case yesterday) and does look most likely to create assists and maybe get on the score sheet. Hopefully he can get a run in the team.
We get very little in terms of quality final passes in the opposition area from our full-backs either. Obviously both Whittaker and Gray being out hasn't helped.
There is still much about our squad that is strong but it is this balance that is not right. We must accommodate our best players and that definitely includes McGeouch and McGinn. So - we need to find someone to score goals along with Ollie Shaw and some more attacking threat from wide and full-back areas.
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22-01-2018 08:24 AM #22
Said it on another thread but i'd like to see Frazer Murray get more game time. He is an attack minded midfielder who can spot a pass and has done well in the few cameos he has had.
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22-01-2018 08:26 AM #23
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22-01-2018 08:41 AM #24
I was actually thinking we lose these 2 players and we would become a very ordinary team
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22-01-2018 08:43 AM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Celtic away when he scored 2. imo of course.
Its amazing that Bartley has not scored for Hibernian yet considering how long he has been at the club!
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22-01-2018 08:44 AM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteEvery gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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22-01-2018 08:44 AM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think we are already quite an ordinary team.
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22-01-2018 08:46 AM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-01-2018 08:46 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Right at the end of the game we had a free kick just inside their half and one last chance to launch it into the box - and JM couldn't even get it as far as the D.
That aside, McGinn was ok yesterday - McGeough had a couple of decent moments, but it was the worst I've seen him in a Hibs jersey. I agree with the earlier poster re: Slivka - got in advanced positions a lot, and had Boyle played him in in the first half instead of shooting, we may have had the lead.
I'd like to see more of Slivka.
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