You say the reasons are glaringly obvious, but I don’t see what is obvious with a laddie who plays for Preston Athletic not being allowed to stick a coupon on on a Saturday which doesn’t include his game/league. Players definitely shouldn’t be betting on their own games/leagues but to stop a young Scottish guy betting on South American 3rd division stuff because he may know someone who can influence it is absolutely absurd.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-01-2018 08:13 AM #61
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17-01-2018 08:47 AM #62
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His problems were a drop in the ocean when compared with kenny sansom who ended up destitute.
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17-01-2018 08:50 AM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-01-2018 09:46 AM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As far as drawing the line being obvious, why wouldn't a bent player use his bent contacts in other teams to make money?
Criminal gangs will exploit any weakness, any connection in order to profit.
If Stephen Whittaker had a wad on Norwich to concede more than say 10 corners, and they did, would that ring any alarm bells?
If Lionel Messi, with all his millions, can allegedly fiddle his tax returns, what lengths might less wealthy players go to in order to supplement their income?
When there's money at stake, there is corruption. Asking players not to bet on football until they've stopped playing seems like a simple, harmless step to help counter that threat.
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17-01-2018 11:39 AM #69
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17-01-2018 11:46 AM #70
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I think I'm as likely to be friends with a professional footballer in Argentina, than any Berwick Rangers player. I appreciate the rules have to start somewhere, but I've always found them a bit over the top.
Having said that.. if I was being paid to play football, I could live without having a fitbaw coupon on at the weekend.
Regardless. Black broke rules that he was aware of, and also bet against his own team which is wrong on more levels. The fact that Ladbrokes sponsors our league doesn't give the SFA any less right to punish him for it.
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17-01-2018 12:36 PM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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When I was a Civil servant I wouldn't have been allowed to stand as an MP or MSP unless I resigned my job. In the very very minor capacity I was employed by the state that seemed ridiculous, I was party to no state secrets and had no insider knowledge that would have given me an advantage over other candidates. But it is contradictory to the ethos of the Civil Service as a body which must be, and be seen to be, impartial from government policy or party politics for one of its employees to be directly involved in politics.
Its not just sport where restrictions are placed on its employees or participants where sacrifices are required. I was fine personally because I have never wanted to be in politics, but I would suggest that as an example of this subject having to accept that you cant participate in the political sphere apart from as a voter is a far higher demand on somebody's life choices than not being able to put £50 on the outcome of River Plate v Boca Juniors.
I therefor also suggest that fitba players suck it upLast edited by NAE NOOKIE; 17-01-2018 at 12:54 PM.
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17-01-2018 01:06 PM #73
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There are two issues here, the first being whether or not footballers should be allowed to gamble on their own sport and the second is over the general ethics of having gambling companies sponsor the game. Had Black been attacking the ethics of bookmakers sponsorship for the right reasons then I’d have strongly agreed with him, but instead I find it even more offensive that his only worry is that it prevents him and other footballers from having a punt.
Leagues like the SPL may well be dependent on unethical companies like Ladbrokes for financial backing but these organisations (with their equally unethical advertising campaigns) are ruining people’s lives and encouraging our youth into a life of addiction.
There are already a great deal of fans who would rather sit at home spending their money on a punt instead of going to the game, and this type of sponsorship is what encourages that.
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17-01-2018 01:45 PM #74This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Any close relationship between sport and the gambling industry can lead to major problems - cricket has provided business for bookies (and scandals regarding players laying iffy bets) since the day the game was invented. And I don't see how the likelihood of players laying bets with dishonest intent can be prevented.
IIRC some of our players backed themselves to win the League Cup back in 1991. I think the bookies hadu Hibs at really long odds because of the troubles the club had gone through the previous season, and some of the guys thought it would be a good idea to cash in. They weren't throwing games, they didn't hire thugs to cripple the opposition before vital matches, and they didn't bribe the officials. (They'd all already been been bought up by the Huns - .)
The trouble is that if the money involved is big enough then all these things can and do happen. Teams play to lose; players are bribed, threatened, injured or killed, and referees are offered inducements to swing games towards a desired result. As I say, cricket has seen all sorts of scandals related to betting, particularly (but not exclusively by any means) in Australia and the sub-continent; even the great W G Grace was suspected of involvement in shady dealings in the betting tents of Victorian cricket grounds. Actually, everyone knew he was at it; they just either couldn't or didn't want to prove it.
Black bet against his own side on a number of occasions. This should have led to his life suspension from any involvement in the game ever again. There's no way he would be playing honestly and really trying to win a game when a defeat for his own team would win him money. He's a dirty little crook, and the fact that he's still in the game is a scandal.
TBH, I don't see how sport's relationship with the gambling industry - legal and illegal - can ever be adequately policed.
The richest teams in any sport are always going to be able to offer inducements - even the tacit inducement of entertainment in supporters' clubs with meals, drinks, "speakers' fees", travel expenses etc - and officials would need to be more than human to resist the temptations. Players as well - how often have we seen stories in the red-tops about players about to be offered, or having been offered generous terms to sign for one of the OF just at the critical point of a season - the January window, just before the start of the league run-in - or a couple of weeks before a major Cup-tie?
Professional football - all professional sport - carries the certainty of corruption and dishonesty in its dealings at some point or another. If we really want to clean it up, we have to set a very clear distance between sports organisations from the local Junior football team right up to all the governing bodies like UEFA, FIFA, the IOC and the ICC. At one time British sport (especially cricket, snooker. equestrianism) had a very close relationship with the tobacco industry. Tobacco money was considered to be vital to the UK sporting economy.
It should be possible to break the present intimacy between all sports and the gambling industry, but I don't think anyone wants to. Not just in this country, but throughout the world. We're all too comfortable with it. In football betting sponsors tournaments, teams, TV coverage, almost anything. Remember the goalie who ate a meat pie at an FA Cup tie for a betting stunt?
But as far as sports competitors betting on their sports are concerned, if the British Horseracing Authority can have the sort of rules for jockeys betting on horse races that they do, in what way should the rules relating to footballers, cricketers, or anyone else be any different?
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17-01-2018 01:45 PM #75
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I wonder if he had a flutter in hinself to get a red card last time he was at Easter Road... unfortunately for him, he was so ***** hia manager hooked him after 30 mins. Wee scaff.
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Having said that, I don't think its outwith the bounds of possibility that eventually the nanny state will turn its beady eye on alcohol and gambling advertising and front of the queue to be used to set an example will be sport and especially football. Unfortunately when politicians think of how big a hit football will take from any of their decisions they think of how Man Utd or Liverpool will be able to absorb it, not the likes of Hibs or Dundee.
That is why I think Hibs should be planning ahead and thinking out of the box as to what sort of sponsor we should be trying to hook up with. I'm talking about products like Tampax or Durex .... even though both are products, especially the former, which historically would not think of putting their names on a football shirt as a matter of course the first time they did it would surely generate a huge amount of publicity purely as a result of the media jumping on the novelty factor. Hibs have been at the forefront of so many innovative ideas in the game, why not this
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17-01-2018 03:36 PM #79
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We all make choices in life. These have consequences, which are maybe not considered fully when they are made.
Mr Black made his. Grown man.
Bit rich to play the victim now.
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17-01-2018 04:04 PM #81
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If the player is bent, his mate would have to be too or he'd be getting taken advantage of.
And the more people who know, the more chance of someone blabbing.
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I am a psychologist/practitioner and have been running a charity that deals with chiefly gambling addiction for the past few years and giving people counselling. I have also seen and given treatment to a selection of professional footballers in this part of the country. Often discussed this prevalence with them and whilst the obvious contributory factors such as a healthy income and time on their hands are more obvious I have a personal view that the competitive streak which professional sportspeople need to have is highly contributory. Many have agreed with me on that subject too.
It's interesting this matter of how gambling sponsorship in it's various forms can influence people into participating which perhaps, on the face of it, can seem unlikely. I have many clients who bet on football and other sports. What they report to me, time after time, is that they are very sensitive to noticing the betting advertising around football in all its forms, including on shirts, whether live of on TV. In the latter case, some even tell me that when watching Sky Sports for instance, they even go to the lengths of turning the TV off or leaving the room during commercial breaks. I'm sure the likes of Marathonbet wouldn't pay a significant figure for shirt advertising for example if it has no effect. They know it does,
i don't have the answer to the general subjects of gambling advertising, apart from a blanket ban but the thoery that betting advertising has no effect is very inaccurate from my experience over the past few years. I'm not moralising in any way, just a wee bit of an insight.
Day in and day out I talk to people with broken lives, people who are facing prison sentences, losing their families, bankruptcy, and many who have attempted to take their own life. It's pretty hard to see a guy sitting there in floods of tears, relating that his wife has finally left home and taken the kids with her. There is help though.
http://www.gamcare.org.uk/
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17-01-2018 11:15 PM #84
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Gambling in sport is like drugs in sport and it’s the fans who are left cheated because they no longer know whether such and such cyclist is winning because they are on drugs or whether such and such team is losing because there's some betting scam on the go.
In years gone by (before gambling sponsorship came into play) it always amazed me how bookmakers were just allowed to create markets on whatever events they chose, apparently without any objection, or need for consent, from the organisations running them (the SFA and FA etc). I can see no incentive what so ever to have our sport contaminated by gambling and have always seen it as a no brainer that its presence impacts the integrity of our game. Even when the spread-betting markets were emerging the football associations still weren’t benefiting from gambling sponsorship, yet they still allowed it to compromise our game. It’s just never made sense to me why any authority would be comfortable in the knowledge that someone could, for example, make money out of "speculating" that a player will kick the ball out for a throw-in within 10 seconds of kick-off.
The problem is just getting worse and worse and personally I’d rather sacrifice the commercial benefits in favour of a product I can trust. Unlike Ian Black, I really can’t understand how anyone who cares about the sport would want to find new ways to tarnish it even further. I also can’t understand why he would want to defend his actions at a time when some of his fellow pros have just begun raising awareness of this terrible addiction.
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18-01-2018 06:51 AM #86
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He is a sad little man who believes his own hype. I live in the same street as his parents, twin sister and brother so can talk with some authority.
His father is one of the most arrogant men I have ever had the misfortune to come across. His mother is just rude and ignorant, his brother is a convicted drug dealer.
I feel sorry for his sister as she is very sweet and so unlike the rest of the family.
Heis now staying at his parents house aftre his wife threw him out. He has apparently signed for Tranent juniors but hasn't yet made an appearance at trainaing or games.
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