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    No Scottish club were bound by the Taylor report. The SFA sucked up the English FA's arse by agreeing to go along with it. Taylor report only included top flight stadia in England!
    It wasnít just the SFA who forced through all seater stadia. Both Hibs and Hearts requested to retain the terraces for an extra year while their removal to Straiton/Millerhill were clarified or details of redevelopment of Easter Road/Tynecastle were finalised. This was turned down flat by all. Hibs ended up having to install benches with bucket seats in the whole of the visitors end only one year before it was demolished. Correction it was more like six months.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BH Hibs View Post
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    Iím sure Hibs were the first if not only club to build four completely new stands on their old but existing site.
    Hearts?

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    Pittodrie is far from all covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermit Crab View Post
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    No Scottish club were bound by the Taylor report. The SFA sucked up the English FA's arse by agreeing to go along with it. Taylor report only included top flight stadia in England!
    And games would still be taking place in grounds barely fit for the 19th century if clubs hadnít been forced to carry through the Taylor Report recommendations. The financial problems brought on by clubs modernising grounds was as much to do with the SPL insisting on the 10,000 minimum capacity as much as ensuring modern facilities were provided.

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    Even with the renovations which have taken place since the 90s Scottish stadiums are still lagging pretty badly with far too many still needing work done. If your definition of a modern stadium is the same as mine. That being 4 stands covering the length of each side of the pitch all seated and all covered, we have 41 professional clubs excluding Queens Park and most of them don't fit the bill so far, here's a list of those that do.

    Easter Road
    Tynecastle
    Celtic Park
    Ibrox
    Pittodrie ....... I'll allow them the uncovered seats in the corners
    Tannadice
    McDiarmid Park
    East End Park
    Starks Park ..... they couldn't extend the main stand any further even if they wanted to so get a pass
    Rugby Park
    Fir Park ........... same as Raith Rovers, there are reasons they cant extend the main stand the length of the pitch
    St Mirren Park
    The Toni Macaroni arena
    The Excelsior stadium
    Victoria Park

    So of 41 professional clubs only 15 have a 4 sided all covered all seater stadium and even some of them are badly in need of modernisation. If a 4 sided all covered stadium was a requirement for promotion to the premiership Hamilton, Dundee and Partick Thistle would be out of the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgl07 View Post
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    It wasnít just the SFA who forced through all seater stadia. Both Hibs and Hearts requested to retain the terraces for an extra year while their removal to Straiton/Millerhill were clarified or details of redevelopment of Easter Road/Tynecastle were finalised. This was turned down flat by all. Hibs ended up having to install benches with bucket seats in the whole of the visitors end only one year before it was demolished. Correction it was more like six months.
    Hertz did the same. The Geebsie game was with a seated Gorgie Road terrace. However, Hibs did things by the book. Built the two new end stands in accordance with the agreed timeframe whereas the gunts chanced their arm with the council. The seated Gorgie was no longer meant to be used but they applied for dispensation from their pals to open it for a European game. There were no issues and they bought themselves an extra year beforethey had to do anything. Another example of the treatment they receive from the council.

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    Pittodrie doesn't just have uncovered seats in the corners. The front 5-6 rows in the south stand are also uncovered, as the roof doesn't go all the way to the front.


    Have a look at THIS photo, in particular the nearest of the yellow seats to the pitch, and then how far back the roof is in comparison.

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    You're all talking nonsense. Hearts were the first club in Scotland - probably the world actually - to have an all-seated, all-covered modern stadium. It's even got chips and toilets and an inexplicable bit at the front of one stand that gets raised on props for some reason. They were first in the world to introduce a press area totally exposed to the elements and a Director's Box that isn't a Director's Box. They were also the first to have function suites that don't actually exist yet, to sell season tickets for a stand that also didn't exist and to claim they could see a castle somewhere when they couldn't. Hearts were innovators with cost over-runs, chronic delays and apparently they invented glass. They nearly succeeded in building a seated stand without any seats because they were being too casual with the shopping list and must be the first club on the planet to have so many seats that you can't see the pitch from. McDiarmid Park doesn't have a pitch that's too small for UEFA requirements, Pittodrie doesn't have steps so steep that folk are falling down them and the hospitality lounges at Ibrox aren't all facing away from the pitch. Hearts have achieved all these things. None of these other grounds (including that Lego brick thing at Easter Road) can hold a candle to the financial foresight, aesthetic brilliance and project innovation that is Tynecastle Park - the pride of the nation and a cert for UNESCO World Heritage Site status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
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    Pittodrie doesn't just have uncovered seats in the corners. The front 5-6 rows in the south stand are also uncovered, as the roof doesn't go all the way to the front.


    Have a look at THIS photo, in particular the nearest of the yellow seats to the pitch, and then how far back the roof is in comparison.
    To summarise, Pittodrie is a dump.

    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamig View Post
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    Hertz did the same. The Geebsie game was with a seated Gorgie Road terrace. However, Hibs did things by the book. Built the two new end stands in accordance with the agreed timeframe whereas the gunts chanced their arm with the council. The seated Gorgie was no longer meant to be used but they applied for dispensation from their pals to open it for a European game. There were no issues and they bought themselves an extra year beforethey had to do anything. Another example of the treatment they receive from the council.
    And they made a real hash of it - I remember numbers falling off seats, tickets old for seats that didnít exist etc etc. They never seem to have much luck when it comes to construction projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesie View Post
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    And they made a real hash of it - I remember numbers falling off seats, tickets old for seats that didnít exist etc etc. They never seem to have much luck when it comes to construction projects.
    They tend to adopt a do-it-yourself approach rather than using qualified architects and contractors. I recall Wallace Mercer ordering the steel for the Wheatfield Stand. Budge did exactly the same thing with no main contractor and a firm of property valuers as project managers.

    Mercer and Budge both seemed to think they could do a better job than professionals.

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    You're all talking nonsense. Hearts were the first club in Scotland - probably the world actually - to have an all-seated, all-covered modern stadium. It's even got chips and toilets and an inexplicable bit at the front of one stand that gets raised on props for some reason. They were first in the world to introduce a press area totally exposed to the elements and a Director's Box that isn't a Director's Box. They were also the first to have function suites that don't actually exist yet, to sell season tickets for a stand that also didn't exist and to claim they could see a castle somewhere when they couldn't. Hearts were innovators with cost over-runs, chronic delays and apparently they invented glass. They nearly succeeded in building a seated stand without any seats because they were being too casual with the shopping list and must be the first club on the planet to have so many seats that you can't see the pitch from. McDiarmid Park doesn't have a pitch that's too small for UEFA requirements, Pittodrie doesn't have steps so steep that folk are falling down them and the hospitality lounges at Ibrox aren't all facing away from the pitch. Hearts have achieved all these things. None of these other grounds (including that Lego brick thing at Easter Road) can hold a candle to the financial foresight, aesthetic brilliance and project innovation that is Tynecastle Park - the pride of the nation and a cert for UNESCO World Heritage Site status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgl07 View Post
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    It wasnít just the SFA who forced through all seater stadia. Both Hibs and Hearts requested to retain the terraces for an extra year while their removal to Straiton/Millerhill were clarified or details of redevelopment of Easter Road/Tynecastle were finalised. This was turned down flat by all. Hibs ended up having to install benches with bucket seats in the whole of the visitors end only one year before it was demolished. Correction it was more like six months.
    I feel like there were seats in the old Dunbar end for far longer than 6 months? More like 2 years, no? Could be wrong admittedly!

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    It's a shame that we see so many identikit stands in Scottish football now which gives a lot of grounds a sterile feel, but strangely enough I don't get that feeling at St Johnstone and always enjoy visiting. Maybe because it was the first of its kind.

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    Iím still waiting on Hibs putting hot water in the East
    Hot water is in short supply at ER...you need loyalty points to get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibby6270 View Post
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    True. The Broomloan, Copland and Govan stands were completed by the early 80s but the main stand didnít get completed until early 90s. You could argue then that Oldco had three quarters of a modern stadium before everyone else but not a complete modern stadium until later.
    They where also innovative in including commercial office space under the stands making use of their car park during the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    Iím still waiting on Hibs putting hot water in the East
    What? We've had hot water in the FF for about five years and soft fluffy towels. Love the emerald green carpet that they fitted in the FF concourses too. You can even get your shoes polished at half time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwasthere1972 View Post
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    What? We've had hot water in the FF for about five years and soft fluffy towels. Love the emerald green carpet that they fitted in the FF concourses too. You can even get your shoes polished at half time.
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    There's a whole umpteen page thread on Sickbag dedicated to Aberdeen's proposed new stadium, its full of Yams giving the forums tame Sheep fan financial advice, advice on the best way to build new stands and criticising Aberdeen for overspending and buying players when they should have been rebuilding Pittodrie
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