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    Quote Originally Posted by murray26 View Post
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    It’s current form m8.. it’s relevant.. if we play like we did yesterday and they play like they did today it won’t be pretty.. huge wake up call needed.. only 3 points seperate us.
    Well...why only count our last 6 games? Why not our form in the last 10? Last 10 games form wise we are third in the league for what it’s worth. I want us to finish minimum top six this season. What Hearts do is irrelevant.


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    Calm doon son. You never thought we were maybe punching a bit too high and Aberdeen just gave us a reality check.

    Were u at the rangers game??

    Apart from two defensive mistakes we were excellent.

    We create loads of chances and if we had a striker that could take them we would be fine.

    Keep the faith and don’t panic
    I was at the Rangers game. We made two defensive mistakes and lost the game. We hammered Rangers in terms of territory but couldn't score. You've just proven my point, we dominate games when we play well but can still fail to win. We rarely win when we have an "off" day and still struggle to turn draws into wins. We have improved at getting a draw from a losing position though.

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    More accurately, the fans can heap huge pressure on the players; or, alternatively, we can get right behind them next Saturday, hope we get the 3 points then start preparing for a derby that we could win, lose, or draw - and all 3 outcomes would've been possible regardless of this weekend's results.
    The fans have been outstanding this year particularly at home. They were amazing at Pittordrie yesterday and in years gone by the team and managers would have been boo'ed off the park. Most clapped when the players came over in recognition of their efforts over the last few years I would imagine and in solidarity at a poor performance.

    I doubt what we discuss here has much bearing on how the players perform and just because I post that I am concerned doesn't mean I don't turn up on a Saturday in good voice ready to support the players come what may.

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    If we play like we did on Wed, and they play like they did today, we will win.

    It's all about perspective. Why focus on an off day at Pittodrie, rather than take heart from the many games this season in which we have looked good.

    Yes, we are capable of being awful, but we are just as likely to be phenomenal.


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    Youre first statement isnt true though is it? If they play like they did today they'll score four and if we play like we did on Wednesday we will score one. They were clinical today, more clinical than we've ever been in a game under Lennon

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    I think you need to stop slating this team.

    Aren’t very good you say???

    How many hibs teams have you seen son??

    I remember all the really rubbish teams. With crowds of 4-5k

    This is a good team, enjoy it. A couple of recruits in January and we are bang in there.
    I'm not slating the team. I'm just being realistic. Lennon and fans talking about us being 2nd best in the country and only Celtic can play the football we play...that's more embarrassing than me saying "we aren't very good", trust me. I'll be happy with 5th-6th this season. I'd rather we stay realistic and don't get a sudden drop in attendance next season when people realise we weren't good enough for 2nd/3rd. If we do manage to get 2nd, 3rd etc. then I'll be very happy. Thinking we have a good chance based on recent results is foolish.

    Without investment, I cannot see the club strengthening much in January unless McGinn is sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhatter View Post
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    I'm not slating the team. I'm just being realistic. Lennon and fans talking about us being 2nd best in the country and only Celtic can play the football we play...that's more embarrassing than me saying "we aren't very good", trust me. I'll be happy with 5th-6th this season. I'd rather we stay realistic and don't get a sudden drop in attendance next season when people realise we weren't good enough for 2nd/3rd. If we do manage to get 2nd, 3rd etc. then I'll be very happy. Thinking we have a good chance based on recent results is foolish.

    Without investment, I cannot see the club strengthening much in January unless McGinn is sold.
    I noticed you said you think we’d finish 6th. I don’t think we’ll drop out top 4 at all.

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    Youre first statement isnt true though is it?
    Yes, it is. You've misunderstood it.

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    I'm looking forward to Ross County. This team have bounced back before.
    We simply have too

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    I noticed you said you think we’d finish 6th. I don’t think we’ll drop out top 4 at all.
    If we finish 4th or above I'd be delighted. We traditionally have a run of shocking form around the festive period and I just don't think we have a strong enough squad yet. My concern is I don't think it'll be strengthened much in January, awkward window at the best of times and even more so if you aren't blessed with cash.

    Porteous, F. Murray and Shaw should be getting more time in my opinion because the senior players in their positions aren't doing great at the moment. I think F. Murray would add some creativity and drive. Keep hearing about how great they are but compare their game time to Hearts youth game time. I remember we had a batch 2 years ago we were all told were impressive and I think they are all pretty much released...

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    No, I've not. I've seen us batter hearts countless times over the years and they sneak a win because they are more clinical. Just like they were more clinical today than we were on Wednesday. Give me a defensive, backs to the wall job if it means 3 points against them next week over playing nice football and creating lots without scoring from it

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhatter View Post
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    If we finish 4th or above I'd be delighted. We traditionally have a run of shocking form around the festive period and I just don't think we have a strong enough squad yet. My concern is I don't think it'll be strengthened much in January, awkward window at the best of times and even more so if you aren't blessed with cash.

    Porteous, F. Murray and Shaw should be getting more time in my opinion because the senior players in their positions aren't doing great at the moment. I think F. Murray would add some creativity and drive. Keep hearing about how great they are but compare their game time to Hearts youth game time. I remember we had a batch 2 years ago we were all told were impressive and I think they are all pretty much released...
    Porteous I’d play instead of Whitty. For me Whitty wouldn’t play again this season. I’d look to help him with the coaching side and forget his playing days because they are done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thecat23 View Post
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    Mind Hearts skelped The Rangers 4-0, did that make them a good team? Listen Celtic were due that simple as that, Hearts don’t lose many goals but I still think they’ll finish 6th at best. Saints away us and Dons away is tough.
    Today's game was a mirror image of that, celtc trying to play out from the back on a tattie field of a pitch. Didn't mean anything in the long run as far as hearts were concerned.

    This weekend has been brutal but it's time folk calmed down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thecat23 View Post
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    Porteous I’d play instead of Whitty. For me Whitty wouldn’t play again this season. I’d look to help him with the coaching side and forget his playing days because they are done.
    I’d go with that but I feel a fit Whittaker still has something to offer. We need to give him thatt time to get fit. Porteous at Right back in a back 4 would be my preferred option right now. Efe can’t o it IMO
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    The fans have been outstanding this year particularly at home. They were amazing at Pittordrie yesterday and in years gone by the team and managers would have been boo'ed off the park. Most clapped when the players came over in recognition of their efforts over the last few years I would imagine and in solidarity at a poor performance.

    I doubt what we discuss here has much bearing on how the players perform and just because I post that I am concerned doesn't mean I don't turn up on a Saturday in good voice ready to support the players come what may.
    I know that mate. I don't travel very often, but was at Fir Park & Firhill and the support (especially at Patrick) was phenomenal. What I said was in reference to the original post - the players will undoubtedly feel a responsibility to get a result next Saturday but the fans can help by continuing to get behind them, rather than on their backs. We've all suffered poisonous atmospheres at ER during bad times, but it seems that yesterday's performance is being regarded by some fans as the catalyst for a crisis. It might yet reach that stage if we lose our next 2 games, but why pre-empt it after just the one shocking display?

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    Derby is a different game

    The Celtic were due a doing. They have been mince all season
    The bit in bold - hilarious. I wish Hibs were as "mince" as that. Clear at the top of the league, won the League Cup, so far. Pure "mince".

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    The habit we have as a support is to lose perspective on a 6d which in turn puts pressure on our team.

    I’m not ready in any shape or form to be sponsored but Tena for men.
    Sort your stuff (I’m on a polite mood) out gentlemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emerald green View Post
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    The bit in bold - hilarious. I wish Hibs were as "mince" as that. Clear at the top of the league, won the League Cup, so far. Pure "mince".
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    Ultimately I think that, if you look at our last 19 and a half games (some of which have been undeniably played at ER) and factor in how many of our players have been late for training and the fact that STF never wears a Hibs tie to the AGM....

    THEN you look at the fact that we’re so desperate to take the piss out of Hearts that we’re shocked when they put a run of results together...

    With those findings in mind, it’s hard to escape the outcome that unless we score more goals than Hearts when we play them, we’re going to stutter to a halt as far as getting three points in the league that day or progressing in the cup this season are concerned. There’s just no other way to look at it, however you look at it.

    Bury your heads in the sand if you must happy clappers, but these are the hard cold inconvenient facts of the matter that can’t be ignored.
    Yip, i agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhatter View Post
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    If we finish 4th or above I'd be delighted. We traditionally have a run of shocking form around the festive period and I just don't think we have a strong enough squad yet. My concern is I don't think it'll be strengthened much in January, awkward window at the best of times and even more so if you aren't blessed with cash.

    Porteous, F. Murray and Shaw should be getting more time in my opinion because the senior players in their positions aren't doing great at the moment. I think F. Murray would add some creativity and drive. Keep hearing about how great they are but compare their game time to Hearts youth game time. I remember we had a batch 2 years ago we were all told were impressive and I think they are all pretty much released...
    Who cares about Hearts? One game we are crap and they are Barca.

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    The Hearts result today is going to make folk panic on here even more. Calm down.

    Also, why are folk so determined to randomly look at the last 6 games?
    Cause your only as good as your recent results perhaps???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleanyman View Post
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    Absolutely not. I've supported Hibs all my life through thick and thin. I don't like Celtic, and I despise a large percentage of their supporters.

    But to say they have been "mince all season" is total bollox. You do realise and understand that don't you?

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    Lennon heaped pressure on them with all that 2nd best nonsense talk. This was so obvious we are not that. Now he and we look silly.

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    A week is a long time in football. A victory on Saturday and a Hearts loss or draw at St Johnstone (either of which are more likely in my opinion than a Hearts win) and suddenly we have a good cushion again going into the derby.

    This team and manager have done us proud over the last 18 months and I think they will do so again over the coming weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedish hibee View Post
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    Lennon heaped pressure on them with all that 2nd best nonsense talk. This was so obvious we are not that. Now he and we look silly.
    From Michael Grant in today's Times

    "...when (Lennon) said on the eve of the game 'outside of Celtic I think we're playing the best football in the league', he was probably right. Hibs at their best have been exciting to watch this season. In contrast Aberdeen had not consistently clicked or realised their attacking potential. Unfortunately for Lennon, that all came together against his team."

    That seems a fair assessment and certainly not one which suggests Lennon or we the fans look silly. It was a one off, but one which Lennon will make good use of. Folk need to relax and get a bit of proportion on things.

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    For what it's worth I watched the pre match analysis for our game on saturday and the pundits agreed with Lennon that we were the best footballing team behind Celtic but they didn't think we were necessarily the 2nd best team overall

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    Christ.

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    Neil Lennon was right at the time, we totally outplayed the team in second at that time. In hindsight, maybe he should have just kept it to himself rather than say it.

    I still think we are capable of being 2nd, but need to stop conceding daft goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs View Post
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    Yip, i agree 100%
    It’s no coincidence that the older posters on here have a better handle and more objective realistic view on the past, present and future of all things Hibs.

    We have witnessed so many false dawns in the past that make it very hard to think that the future won’t be any different than what has gone before.

    We probably all wish and hope the club/team to be challenging for top 4 finishes every season. That’s an acceptable aim but for whatever reason, very rarely comes to pass.

    Our main path to success is decent cup runs. Getting to semis and finals and occasionally winning a cup.

    In my lifetime, I’ve seen us win 1 Scottish Cup, 3 League Cups and 3 Division Two/Championships. These are our major achievements in close to 60 years (I’ll not include Drybrough Cups, Summer Cup or Tennents Sixes) Not a great return but just about acceptable. it sums up where our expectancy level is or should be in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs View Post
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    The only one heaping pressure on anyone is some of the supporters with their knee jerk reactions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hibby6270 View Post
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    It’s no coincidence that the older posters on here have a better handle and more objective realistic view on the past, present and future of all things Hibs.

    We have witnessed so many false dawns in the past that make it very hard to think that the future won’t be any different than what has gone before.

    We probably all wish and hope the club/team to be challenging for top 4 finishes every season. That’s an acceptable aim but for whatever reason, very rarely comes to pass.

    Our main path to success is decent cup runs. Getting to semis and finals and occasionally winning a cup.

    In my lifetime, I’ve seen us win 1 Scottish Cup, 3 League Cups and 3 Division Two/Championships. These are our major achievements in close to 60 years (I’ll not include Drybrough Cups, Summer Cup or Tennents Sixes) Not a great return but just about acceptable. it sums up where our expectancy level is or should be in the future.
    This is a very good post.

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