Whittaker

[we are hibs]

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He hasn't played a lot of football in two year so has been trying to get up to speed. He's injured just now though and is helping the squad making himself available. We have got a manager whom doesn't need to select him remember. Why not have a go at the person selecting him instead of people ripping into Whittaker?

We where getting pumped long before he came on.

I've slated Lennon many times about his team selections and tactics but unfortunately some Hibs fans think the sun shines out his arse and he can do no wrong. Lennon shouldn't be playing him. He cannot defend, he cannot run, he cannot cross. It's just a waste of a jersey at the minute.

[Hi Heid Yin]

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The wage thief part got me riled, sorry.

No problems.
I felt bad for using that term and have since apologised and removed it.

[Firestarter]

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No problems.
I felt bad for using that term and have since apologised and removed it.

👍 Good lad.

[Firestarter]

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I've slated Lennon many times about his team selections and tactics but unfortunately some Hibs fans think the sun shines out his arse and he can do no wrong. Lennon shouldn't be playing him. He cannot defend, he cannot run, he cannot cross. It's just a waste of a jersey at the minute.

With an injury, I'm sad to agree. Again he's being ripped to shreds but ultimately the manager picks the team.

[Lago]

I agree Steven shouldn't be playing at the moment as I don't really think he's fully fit, but I'm far from comfortable with some of the name calling & other stuff being aimed at him.

[Captain Trips]

In isolation of whatever his pay or contract that 4th goal was absolutely shocking from him waving arm about.

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In isolation of whatever his pay or contract that 4th goal was absolutely shocking from him waving arm about.

As shocking as our goalie for the first two or Effe for the third? No.

All goals are howlers. Whittaker although 3 down seems to be getting the most stick. I don't understand it. Defence and goalie absolute murder first two goals, rocky guessing again wrong for the second kicking out of play for the first and Ambrose **** knows what he's doing the third. Whittaker comes on, were a lot more solid, he gets skinned for the 4th, yes the 4th and he gets ripped whilst Ambrose tried hard and Rocky is the best keeper since Goram? Nah you're alright.

[Captain Trips]

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As shocking as our goalie for the first two or Effe for the third? No.

All goals are howlers. Whittaker although 3 down seems to be getting the most stick. I don't understand it. Defence and goalie absolute murder first two goals, rocky guessing again wrong for the second kicking out of play for the first and Ambrose **** knows what he's doing the third. Whittaker comes on, were a lot more solid, he gets skinned for the 4th, yes the 4th and he gets ripped whilst Ambrose tried hard and Rocky is the best keeper since Goram? Nah you're alright.

This post is about SW as stated there were plenty of other howlers but this is about SW.

[Ozyhibby]

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This post is about SW as stated there were plenty of other howlers but this is about SW.

And it’s about his performance since he’s been here, not just yesterday. For most of the players, yesterday came as a shock.


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[Firestarter]

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This post is about SW as stated there were plenty of other howlers but this is about SW.

So should we have induvidual threads on each player then and add criticism to it regardless? The people who won't hear a bad word about Lewis will have kittens.

[bigwheel]

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This post is about SW as stated there were plenty of other howlers but this is about SW.

tbh , i feel this thread is about the current "whipping boy"...There is no way Whittaker should be getting singled out above others after yesterday. OK He should have played on rather than called the offside, but at least he saw it, where was the others in defence claiming the offside to allow him to focus on GMS? There were others far worse who played the whole game. Any of the midfield would warrant a thread of their own before SW.

[Captain Trips]

Well nobody is stopping anyone starting deserved threads on Ambrose shocking defending or any other player. I have praised SW however yesterday IMO he was poor and commented on a thread about him.

[Captain Trips]

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So should we have induvidual threads on each player then and add criticism to it regardless? The people who won't hear a bad word about Lewis will have kittens.

You can do what you like, I have criticised SW on a thread about him, if he had played a blinder then I would say so on this thread also.

[keep the faith]

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So should we have induvidual threads on each player then and add criticism to it regardless? The people who won't hear a bad word about Lewis will have kittens.

Lewis doesn't simply give up and trot along once he is beaten. Lewis holds his position. He makes a massive contribution. There lies the difference here.

[Firestarter]

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tbh , i feel this thread is about the current "whipping boy"...There is no way Whittaker should be getting singled out above others after yesterday. OK He should have played on rather than called the offside, but at least he saw it, where was the others in defence claiming the offside to allow him to focus on GMS? There were others far worse who played the whole game. Any of the midfield would warrant a thread of their own before SW.

Correct. Singling him out especially as we are 3 down is criminal. What about Hanlon having his second shocker in a row? Good enough for Scotland? Really?

[Firestarter]

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Lewis doesn't simply give up and trot along once he is beaten. Lewis holds his position. He makes a massive contribution. There lies the difference here.

He made no contribution at all yesterday. At least there's usually a couple misplaced crosses and he tries very hard, like Simon Murray.

[keep the faith]

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He made no contribution at all yesterday. At least there's usually a couple misplaced crosses and he tries very hard, like Simon Murray.

Whitty is obviously your mate. Fair dos and you will want to defend him. I understand he is a lovely guy and a great professional. However he has never been a great defender and I have been shocked by his lack of pace and lack of willing to get back since he returned. For me he should never be in the team.
If he is injured, he needs to agree with Lennon to take time out and recover, as his performances are not helping him, the team or his reputation.

[Cod Boy]

Think the people that are saying he didn't do well yesterday remember that he came on at half time 3.0 down in a team that all were poor.

[Firestarter]

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Whitty is obviously your mate. Fair dos and you will want to defend him. I understand he is a lovely guy and a great professional. However he has never been a great defender and I have been shocked by his lack of pace and lack of willing to get back since he returned. For me he should never be in the team.
If he is injured, he needs to agree with Lennon to take time out and recover, as his performances are not helping him, the team or his reputation.

👍 For what it's worth I don't think he should be playing either but he's learning from NL and is trying to help him out.

[keep the faith]

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👍 For what it's worth I don't think he should be playing either but he's learning from NL and is trying to help him out.

👍

[snooky]

Just in case it was me you were waving to.


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[blackpoolhibs]

Its strange we are having a thread about Whittaker, as if he's to blame for recent goals we have shipped in, yet he was not on the park when we lost both goals on wednesday, and not on the park for the first 3 on saturday.

According to Lennon, he's struggling with an injury, Whittaker does not pick the team, but when Whittaker is not on the park and the team are still losing goals, i fail to see how Steven is getting it tight.

Could he do better, of course he can. Yet those who are calling for him not to play, and you then see the teams people are picking before each game, those replacing him are hardly covering themselves in glory either.

He's not fit, David Gray is not fit, but Lennon is asking Whittaker to help him out as he's better than what we put there as a replacement.

[hhibs]

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Lewis doesn't simply give up and trot along once he is beaten. Lewis holds his position. He makes a massive contribution. There lies the difference here.

Whilst I have had my moments of angst over Lewis. he simply never,ever hides .even when he is playing badly he always gives his all.

Whittaker is simply not a defensive full back,I do think he can offer much more elsewhere but poor cover in that area( old.old,old problem) forces him to be played there.

[Firestarter]

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Its strange we are having a thread about Whittaker, as if he's to blame for recent goals we have shipped in, yet he was not on the park when we lost both goals on wednesday, and not on the park for the first 3 on saturday.

According to Lennon, he's struggling with an injury, Whittaker does not pick the team, but when Whittaker is not on the park and the team are still losing goals, i fail to see how Steven is getting it tight.

Could he do better, of course he can. Yet those who are calling for him not to play, and you then see the teams people are picking before each game, those replacing him are hardly covering themselves in glory either.

He's not fit, David Gray is not fit, but Lennon is asking Whittaker to help him out as he's better than what we put there as a replacement.

That's exactly what's happening mate. Your assessment is 100% spot on.

[snooky]

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Whilst I have had my moments of angst over Lewis. he simply never,ever hides .even when he is playing badly he always gives his all.

Whittaker is simply not a defensive full back,I do think he can offer much more elsewhere but poor cover in that area( old.old,old problem) forces him to be played there.

That's exactly how it is, mate. Your assessment is 100% spot on too.

[Brightside]

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That's exactly what's happening mate. Your assessment is 100% spot on.

Correct - the set up from Lennon when we haven't had a fit RB has been poor. Roger isn't fit and shouldnt be playing. Efe struggles to hold his position at RB, and Darren doesnt have the pace for it. If we don't sign an RB in Jan then only Lennon can take the blame for the issues in that area.

[keep the faith]

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Correct - the set up from Lennon when we haven't had a fit RB has been poor. Roger isn't fit and shouldnt be playing. Efe struggles to hold his position at RB, and Darren doesnt have the pace for it. If we don't sign an RB in Jan then only Lennon can take the blame for the issues in that area.

And if we do sign another right back it's not too clever business either, bearing in mind we already brought in cover for our injury prone right back with another injury prone right back on a three year deal!

[J-C]

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And if we do sign another right back it's not too clever business either, bearing in mind we already brought in cover for our injury prone right back with another injury prone right back on a three year deal!

We don't need another RB, play 3 at the back and use Boyle as a wingback, he's capable of doing it, I've never been a fan of using a CB as a makeshift RB.

[keep the faith]

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We don't need another RB, play 3 at the back and use Boyle as a wingback, he's capable of doing it, I've never been a fan of using a CB as a makeshift RB.

I agree another right back is wasteful, but would worry that it's wasting Boyle if we play him too deep.
Any money we have in January needs to go on young creative players or a centre forward IMO.

[Souter96Mac]

I think we'll be fine once Gray and Whittaker are back fully fit. Yes both of them haven't been fantastic this season, but will do a job for the time being. I also agree with the above, in the time being, I'd like to see Boyle as wingback.