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View Poll Results: Should marriage/civil union between two people of the same sex, be allowed?
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06-12-2017 03:32 PM #31This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You've covered offensive singing, racism, fraser fyvie and now same sex marriage in the last few days, contradicting yourself a couple of times.
My money is on religion getting the MWC treatment next
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06-12-2017 04:36 PM #32
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06-12-2017 04:46 PM #33This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As far as I can tell, the only thing that could be seen as a contradiction would be my posts on the offensive singing thread that implied that I thought it was ok.
Just to be clear, that's not my opinion. Those posts were all actually copied and pasted from other people on the racism thread. Specifically from posters claiming that PC had gone mad and that people choose to be offended by certain things. It was my way of illustrating the hypocrisy in the collective thinking on here. I actually think both are unacceptable and I find it interesting that some seem to think that one is ok while the other isn't. I didn't think it needed spelling out but there you go. I'll keep it in mind.
I didn't realise Fraser Fyvie was a controversial topic. He's a good championship player going well for a championship team. Good luck to him.
As for this thread, I was interested to see how opinions had changed since the exact same thing had been posted nearly 9 years ago.
http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?1...e-civil-unions
In 2009 it was split 66% - 34% in favour of yes. Today it's 100% - 0%.
The difference is striking. Good job society! I wonder if we'll see similar changes in the attitude towards things like blacking up in 9 years time.
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06-12-2017 04:59 PM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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So eh... carry onLast edited by Mr White; 06-12-2017 at 05:12 PM.
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Which is relevant to this thread actually as it annoys me on a daily basis that NI is the last remaining part of the British Isles still preserving marriage inequality despite MLA's voting in favour of change. Nice one DUP.Last edited by Mr White; 06-12-2017 at 05:27 PM.
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06-12-2017 06:18 PM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
(BTW, Mr Pedantic would like to point out the 'British Isles' actually include NI & Eire.)
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06-12-2017 06:26 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I wouldn't have thought that the harder line catholics would be much more in favour of same sex marriage than the protestants, and that this might be one of those (very many in my experience) situations where the opposite ends of the spectrum turn out to hold similar opinions.
Cheeks of the same erse and all that.
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06-12-2017 06:51 PM #41This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Politically it's the DUP blocking it. Sinn Fein are in favour as are a lot of MLA's from smaller parties and independents. A vote was taken (about 18 months ago I think) at Stormont and it was passed in favour of changing the law. The DUP blocked it progressing by use of the "petition of concern" that was built into the assembly, ironically to protect the interests and rights of minorities.
Since losing their majority at Stormont the DUP can no longer use that mechanism to veto any future proposals to change the law. Of course Stormont isn't currently sitting and given their current role at Westminster I suspect the marriage issue is just one of the reasons the DUP are fairly happy with the current vacuum of governance within Northern Ireland. Absolute horrible creatures the lot of them IMO as they love blocking and twisting democratic process and the will of the people to suit their own narrow-minded bigotted agendas.Last edited by Mr White; 06-12-2017 at 06:57 PM.
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06-12-2017 07:42 PM #42
Civil partnership - yes
Marriage - noHIBERNIAN F.C. - SCOTTISH CUP WINNERS 2016
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06-12-2017 08:33 PM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I recognise that two people of the same sex can love one another and for those people who are in such a relationship, I have no issue with them formally recognising this in a formal ceremony which will subsequently give them similar rights, responsibilities and protection under the law which have always been enjoyed by heterosexual married couples.
I just don't think that such a union should be called marriage.HIBERNIAN F.C. - SCOTTISH CUP WINNERS 2016
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06-12-2017 08:42 PM #49This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For me it is simply a legally accepted form of a relationship between two people ...
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06-12-2017 08:52 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Because of a verbal technicality?
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06-12-2017 09:03 PM #51
Yes they should I've been listening to Macklemore new album genisis and came across same love an older track pro gay rights and some lines jumped out at me for instance
And god loves all his children is somehow forgotten yet we paraphrase a book written 3500 years ago and another line is I may not be the same, But that's not important. No freedom till we're equal (. This could be used in a lot of things right now).
He may not be everyone's cup of tea he certainly wasn't mine but that is some powerful stuff and the new album is cracking
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06-12-2017 09:50 PM #52
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I fall the other way though, and that both should be allowed. Being offended is the prixe we pay foe freedom of speech.
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06-12-2017 10:34 PM #53This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And finally, you say it can't/shouldn't be called 'a marriage' if it's same sex, although you acknowledge the rights of the same sex people to do all the other associated stuff, and to do the civil partnership thing, which everyone knows is just marriage by another name. What is the importance of the word? I'm just not getting that bit.
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06-12-2017 10:46 PM #54
Is this even a question worth asking any more? so far as I can see that ship sailed long ago, at least everywhere in the UK apart from N Ireland and eventually that nut will crack as well, its only a matter of time.
To be honest I couldn't care less if folk want to marry their dog or their favourite rose bush frae oot the garden. What I don't ever want to see is churches forced to carry out marriage ceremonies they don't agree with and stuff like for example baker shops run by people with strongly held religious values being forced to bake wedding cakes for same sex couples in direct contradiction of their beliefs.
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06-12-2017 11:06 PM #56This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm really conflicted by the last bit though and see where Scouse is coming from regarding it."The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
--Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst.
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I have to say that my views and thoughts on the matter have evolved since those posts were written and I now realise that denying same sex couples the opportunity to marry is discriminating against them. Letting same sex couples have civil unions but not marriages whilst at the same time saying that LGBT people shouldn’t be discriminated against was a hypocritical view to have.
My personal viewpoint was formed from the position of my faith and view of marriage as a Christian institution, created by God to be between one man and one woman. However, marriage in this country has moved so far away from that definition and has so many different forms that I can't justifiably hold back the right of marriage from one group of people based on a view which may be the "traditional" view but is not something which should be forced on people who do not agree with it.
For what it is worth, I still hold the belief that Christian marriage should be between one man and one woman, however I am well aware of the fact that other people and other Christians will not agree with this view, so I would support allowing churches to choose whether they will conduct same sex marriages or not. Given what I have said above I’m not sure whether this is still a hypocritical viewpoint or not, but in all fairness, I would wonder why a same sex couple would want to get married in a church which viewed their relationship as sinful.
I’m not sure if that makes sense, but that’s where I am just now.
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