Yesterday was a bad day at the office all round but watching the highlights the biggest difference between Hibs and Saints was movement and commitment.
Take a look at when Saints smell a chance of a goal, they flood forward and end up outnumbering us at the back. Dylan was pathetic at the first goal and not much better at the second. We are jogging when we need to be sprinting and we really need to start marking men and taking responsibility if we want to stay up towards the top of the league. Both goals we conceded yesterday were complete shockers but the second should be made into a video on how not to defend. Giving the ball away in an important area at an important time, slipping, not fouling, not tracking, not marking, no courage in making an attempted block, positioning, weak goal keeping etc. It pretty much had it all.
I keep hearing we are a very fit team but from what I can see we very often lack movement, particularly going forward. When Boyle does make a run it is quite usual for a single striker to be in the box against two or three defenders. No wonder our crossing looks poor as there is hardly anyone to hit with a cross. Saints were playing from deeper but when they had the chance to get forward they got forward in far bigger numbers than we usually do. Any cross into the box usually saw one of their players at least making a challenge. This lack of movement is most obvious at throw ins, how long before that is sorted out.
Both goals also saw some less than convincing goal keeping. To be fair to Rocky he did make one great save yesterday but he looked shaky throughout. I doubt it helps having different personnel and different formations on an almost game by game basis and it worries me that after so many games I don't think our manager knows what our strongest team and formation is.
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19-11-2017 06:19 PM #1
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Saints Goals
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19-11-2017 06:24 PM #2
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We certainly needs goals from midfield and players who can commit themselves to getting into the box - noticed this at the derby that Murray in particular got himself into the box only to look up and have no one to hit. Hopefully a fit Danny Swanson can fill that 'void', but you're looking for SJM, McGeouch and company to get into scoring positions too.
Think Lewis Morgan would be a terrific signing if we could be in with a sniff of getting him.
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19-11-2017 07:08 PM #3
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We have had some great players over the last 20years but for me if I could use a time machine it would be Pat McGinlay. Goals from midfield are absolutely vital and he delivered that. If we can get somebody to hit 9 or 10 that would be good.
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20-11-2017 06:14 PM #4
I am not having a go at any single player but for me Porteous was terrible for the first caught under the ball he has to learn from that. Rocky was very rocky for both goals
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20-11-2017 06:21 PM #5
They had 2 banks of 4 against us everytime we had the ball.
We played 2 wingers.
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20-11-2017 06:35 PM #6
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He also gave away possession for the 2nd, but that's young players for you, they tend to make mistakes.
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20-11-2017 06:40 PM #7
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20-11-2017 07:19 PM #12
Watching it again surely Efe is at fault for the first goal, miles out of position on the left
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20-11-2017 07:22 PM #13
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20-11-2017 07:35 PM #14
Only watched it once, but for the second goal my initial reaction was that Lewis could've done more to prevent the cross
That however was preceded by a mistake from Porteous and a slip from Dylan
Comedy of errors sadly
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20-11-2017 07:37 PM #15
All the St. Johnstone attacks came down the same side targetting Stevenson who never stopped anything. If you look at the highlights every chance conceded comes from our left back position, scored 2 and could have been more.This also happened in the previous game against Dundee, and Aberdeen before that.
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Love Louie but he is not always particularly solid defensively
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20-11-2017 07:47 PM #17
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20-11-2017 09:11 PM #19
Back to the OP’s point I totally agree. The thing is, McGinn in particular has the ability to get into the box and score. He didn’t do it enough under Stubbs and doesn’t now either. We need to get players in the box particularly at home. Fraser Murray looks like that sort of player and he’ll be looking to start from next season especially with McGinn likely away and possibly McGeoch.
"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.' - Paulo Freire
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Goals from the back post have been our undoing this season and yet again we allowed this to happen. For me this needs sorted asap. We just don't seem to win the ball at the back post.
GGTTH
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21-11-2017 10:50 AM #27
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Stevenson offers very little going forward and is proving to be dodgy as a defender too
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21-11-2017 11:27 AM #28
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21-11-2017 11:37 AM #29
I would say the second goal stemmed from Porteous being young and inexperienced and an experienced player would have took the player and the booking on half way after he slipped to stop the attack continuing. He’s a very good player and these ‘streetwise’ traits will come with experience.
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When you play with two wingers its not just desirable to get midfielders making late runs into the box, its vital ... the number of times Barker or Boyle do get to the edge of the box with no cutback available is disappointing. But even with that you have to question the movement of our forwards.
I've said it a million times, but years ago I watched Hibs under 12s forwards being coached on what to do when a winger or wingback gets into position to put the ball into the box ... the mantra repeated time after time by the coaches was one makes a near post run and the other drops back to the penalty spot to make an angle, I doubt that part of the coaching manual has gone out of date since then, but how often do our first team forwards do this? ..... not that often when you look at the number of times Boyle, Barker, Gray or Stevenson get into a crossing position with nothing to aim at.
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