Are loaned players guaranteed to play?

[Hibbyradge]

I always understood that many/most loan deals are agreed on the understanding that the loanees are guaranteed game time.

Is that correct?

[MWHIBBIES]

As I said in another thread its the only reason Barker is playing ahead of McGeouch and Slivka. Pretty concerned if Lennon actually think he adds more than either of those 2.

[HoboHarry]

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I always understood that many/most loan deals are agreed on the understanding that the loanees are guaranteed game time.

Is that correct?

No.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Shirley it’s a no - or on a case by case basis.

If it’s a yes then Pinau (and iirc JonnyLeith?) were hard done by

[Iggy Pope]

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Shirley it’s a no - or on a case by case basis.

If it’s a yes then Pinau (and iirc JonnyLeith?) were hard done by

Agreed. The wee fellah from Chelsea the year before last also left without much of a sniff.
There's been plenty came and gone. Feel a .Net myth approaching.

[Scouse Hibee]

No not guaranteed.

[Mon Dieu4]

I read an article before that said that there can be clauses inserted in the deals that means you have to pay more of the players wage if a loan player doesn't start a game

[LNHibs]

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As I said in another thread its the only reason Barker is playing ahead of McGeouch and Slivka. Pretty concerned if Lennon actually think he adds more than either of those 2.

I’d say the reason Barker is playing is due to he fact he was a major part in the god performances of late rather than it being due to an agreement. McGeouch nor Slivka are left wingers

[Iggy Pope]

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I’d say the reason Barker is playing is due to he fact he was a major part in the god performances of late rather than it being due to an agreement. McGeouch nor Slivka are left wingers

I mean, he's done all right like......

[MWHIBBIES]

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I’d say the reason Barker is playing is due to he fact he was a major part in the god performances of late rather than it being due to an agreement. McGeouch nor Slivka are left wingers

Has he? Played pretty well against Hearts sure, done nothing against Motherwell other than miss a sitter. Very poor at Killie. Subbed at half time vs Dundee. He was not a major part of 3 of those 4 wins.


Stokes on the left, 3 in the middle.

[thebakerboy]

I cannot under any circumstances think that Neil Lennon would agree to anybody but him picking the players that will be playing at any given time. I think if the club had made an agreement like that he would no longer be our manager.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Think it could help in getting players in the future?

[Hibbyradge]

When Hibs lend players out for development, I expect them to get games to develop.

[1van Sprou7e]

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As I said in another thread its the only reason Barker is playing ahead of McGeouch and Slivka. Pretty concerned if Lennon actually think he adds more than either of those 2.

Stupid comment

For one, Barker is a completely different player compared to these 2

Also if you read Lennon's interviews he definitely understands how good McGeouch is and how important he is for us

I think he plays Barker mostly for tactical reasons as it allows us to have 2 natural wingers and stretch the opposition's defence

[Thecat23]

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I always understood that many/most loan deals are agreed on the understanding that the loanees are guaranteed game time.

Is that correct?

No, not one player in this team is guaranteed to play. It’s a myth!

[Forza Fred]

Players go on loan to get more games, but obviously there are no guarantees.

There is obviously though, the view of the parent club about which teams do and don't give what they may see as adequate game time...or future loans just won't happen between the clubs.

I long for the day when 'loan' players at Hibs are a rarity, and we can afford to sign the players we want on contract.

TBF we manage it pretty well at the moment, but the Fenlon days are still in my mind....

[lord bunberry]

Barker plays because he’s a good player.

[matty_f]

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Barker plays because he’s a good player.

bit confused at some of the stick he gets on here. I'd have him starting most weeks.

[silverhibee]

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bit confused at some of the stick he gets on here. I'd have him starting most weeks.

If he wasn't performing well then Lennon wouldn't be starting him, he is obviously impressing in training and doing enough to show the manager that he is worth a start in the team.

[Ringothedog]

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When Hibs lend players out for development, I expect them to get games to develop.

But they don’t always play and our our loan roundup on the official site pretty much confirms this

[Brooster]

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No, not one player in this team is guaranteed to play. It’s a myth!

But we pay Man City more if he doesnt play.

[Hibbyradge]

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But we pay Man City more if he doesnt play.

I didn't know that.

[Hibbyradge]

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But they don’t always play and our our loan roundup on the official site pretty much confirms this

I wouldn't expect that loan players would be contracted to play every game, but I did think that a minimum number of appearances or starts could be stipulated in the temporary contract.

[jacomo]

I'm sure Hibs try to seek assurances that our loanees will play.

I'm sure clubs that loan players to us do the same. But we'd be crazy to offer guarantees - just like it would be crazy to guarantee any player a starting place.

[B.H.F.C]

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bit confused at some of the stick he gets on here. I'd have him starting most weeks.

I can understand it. He does a few good things then has a tendency to disappear from games. We're not really getting enough/any end product from him IMO.

[Hibbyradge]

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I can understand it. He does a few good things then has a tendency to disappear from games. We're not really getting enough/any end product from him IMO.

I agree. Boyle is far more productive.

[GreenCastle]

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I read an article before that said that there can be clauses inserted in the deals that means you have to pay more of the players wage if a loan player doesn't start a game

Some of the top English teams (City / Chelsea etc) loan lots of players out and they often put into the loan agreement that the player must feature in X amount of games of compensation will be due at the end of the loan as that player could be playing elsewhere and developing.

Regarding Barker - who knows..

For me he has been playing well and giving opposition something diff rent to worry about - especially him one side and Boyle the other.

What tends to happen is that since he’s still young and developing he can drift out of games. But I felt against Motherwell away he finished strong. Boyle has developed so much in last few seasons and I know Barker will also - he has talent and often goes past people like they aren’t there.

Saturday we had the issue of nearly too many attackers on the pitch getting in each other’s way and crowding the space as Stokes and Murray both played together.

[Firestarter]

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When Hibs lend players out for development, I expect them to get games to develop.

They players are our future though. Teams like City have shed loads of players out on loan about 6 at NAC Breda last year and 1 or 2 will ever make it. Lennon is showing belief in a young talent we may get on permanent should it work out well and he develops into a player I think he can. He's inconsistent but games help that.

[.Sean.]

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Agreed. The wee fellah from Chelsea the year before last also left without much of a sniff.
There's been plenty came and gone. Feel a .Net myth approaching.

Who was the guy from Chelsea? Minds gone blank

[franck sauzee]

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Who was the guy from Chelsea? Minds gone blank

Islam Feruz. Easy to forget him as he was one of the worst players I've ever seen pull on the green and white. How he ended up at Chelsea for so long is beyond me