Take objection to that last comment. Making an argument to say they both should have been aware there was a divided opinion among supporters and they should have each voted differently is not sniping from the woods.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-11-2017 04:21 PM #151
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17-11-2017 04:33 PM #152
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17-11-2017 04:43 PM #153This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
While your argument in bold is fine, there have been plenty of stupid and negative sniping comments about the reps.
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17-11-2017 04:45 PM #154
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17-11-2017 04:49 PM #155This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I couldn't even finish reading that.
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17-11-2017 04:59 PM #156
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17-11-2017 05:08 PM #157This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-11-2017 06:03 PM #158This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Or have The Rangers browbeaten all the clubs into delaying this until they have broken all the rules to secure second spot and are back where they rightfully belong
I am far from being an Agitator but on this issue i would like dome clarity
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17-11-2017 06:36 PM #159
I was at the meeting last night and I thought Leeann and Rod spoke well and put forward the Club's position as well as they possibly could.
Leeann's main argument was that she and the Club are totally focused on Hibs and the future and didn't want to be deflected by looking back at what happened in the past.
Rod's main argument was that the Rangers situation was dealt with by the football authorities at the time; SPL/other Clubs and the SFA. He added that you could argue with the level of punishment (£250k fine, transfer embargo, Newco taking on Oldco's football debts) but you couldn't argue that the matter hadn't been dealt with at the time.
Whilst I can understand Leeann's argument to an extent, I think that Rod's position is weak. The problem with it is, that there remains a real doubt as to whether the football authorities delivered a punishment to Newco which fitted the crime of Oldco. The reason being that the clubs had a vested interest in not punishing Newco too severely, due to self-interest and self-preservation (£s). Leeann actually eluded to the self-interest of other clubs in her opening contribution.
An independent enquiry no doubt would have considered the self-interest issue and made recommendations which may have allowed everyone to look forward to the future with confidence. So for me, HFC's opposition to an independent review into the matter is disappointing and short-sighted.
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17-11-2017 09:07 PM #161This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Did you get a sense of what Leeann meant by being 'deflected'? I am struggling to see how Hibs would suffer in any significant way in the future by being party to any review of previous wrongdoing, or involved in establishing rules which would prevent another oldco/newco fiasco. Rod's already involved with the governance - is there a fear that he wouldn't have time to turn up to ER at all if the issues were properly looked at?
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17-11-2017 10:10 PM #162
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The only way the club can benefit from not having the inquiry is if the club has something to hide. Is this what the "new information" was?
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17-11-2017 10:56 PM #163This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
On Rod, he is clearly in a difficult position due to his role at the SFA. The SFA have their fingerprints all over the EBT scandal and I suspect his status at the SFA must be the main reason the Club has adopted the stance which they have.
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17-11-2017 11:07 PM #164
Hibernian FC's response to SFA rejection of an Independent Review....HSA meeting...
I can’t see how it can be in the clubs interest to either be part of a cover up or to turn a blind eye to a cover up and that is what it looks like.
Directors have a duty to protect the clubs long term reputation as well as its short term financial health.
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17-11-2017 11:09 PM #165This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-11-2017 12:47 AM #167
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18-11-2017 05:58 AM #168This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As a matter of interest did anyone actually try to pin RP down over the fundemental flaws in the Nimmo Smith enquiry with regards to its terms, the fact it was based on EBTs being legal which the Supreme Court found not to be the case and the fact that the enquiry was lied to?
LDs admission about the clubs self interest (or at least their perceived self interest) is very telling. There is still no desire amongst the majority of clubs for a level playing field in Scottish Football.
Did anŷone ask RP, in the spirit of moving on, specific ways in which lessons had been learnt by the SFA and how things had changed to enable us to be confident that matters would be dealt with differently in the future? Given the current state of Rangers' finanaces we may get a chance to find out.
I remain disappointed in the club's attitude.
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18-11-2017 07:15 AM #170
As The Rangers have carried on spending without a care in the world and the fact they DONT have the money to do it, shows LD and Petrie have learned nothing.
I’d like us to question this because it’s clear to everyone in Scottish football they are still cheating. Sick to death of Hibs and others turning a blind eye to this. Grow a pair ffs and get these clown punished properly.
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18-11-2017 07:18 AM #171
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Making a loss as a business isn’t cheating...as long as you have the funding to continue paying your bills as the come due - currently, due to support of directors they have that funding - if that was to stop - their situation would change.
Whilst not sustainable, and certainly not without risk, there is nothing illegal in what they are doing
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18-11-2017 07:23 AM #172This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-11-2017 08:26 AM #173This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They know going forward that they can sell their season tickets , they will be back selling their own Merchandise Get bigger share of T V deals etc and they will always have people and corporate finance willing to invest when they get to point of challenging Celtic and back in Europe
The latter was never going to happen quickly and we are now seeing a period of Transition which they are skilfully navigating
They have created a situation where they now know there is no appetite by member clubs to take them on
So i suspect they will continue to find ways to carry on
There biggest problem now is getting the right Manager and Players Get that wrong again , go out of Europe early and have to sack another Manager would create another crises and could see change at Ibrox at Boardroom Level
But Ozzy s point that people seem happy to sweep under the carpet remains There is no appetite to regulate some form of financial fair play structure when The Rangers are still going through this Transition Yet it was a fundamental point of the Sporting Integrity blurb and all clubs seemed up for it
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18-11-2017 08:42 AM #174
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We've seen in the past how far the Scottish football authorities were prepared to go to get them in Europe.
There's no evidence that anything has changed.Space to let
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18-11-2017 09:07 AM #175This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-11-2017 09:51 AM #176This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's been mentioned previously that there is sensitive information that the club can't share. Did they give you any of that info?
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18-11-2017 10:00 AM #177
We still have some of the same folk in charge, who were part of the huge cover up, when rangers went to the wall.
The governing body, then tried every trick in the book to justify why they shouldn't apply the rules that were already there in place.
There has been deals and cover ups galore, to ensure the new club made their way back to their rightful place, and we are supposed to just roll over and tickle their belly.
And to cap it all off, after the lies and deceit, they even give one of them who lied through his teeth, a bloody job with the SFA.
What harm could having an open independant review of the whole affair cause, unless those at the top table and i include Hibs in this, have something to hide?
In any other sport, in any other country, we'd not be having this argument.Last edited by blackpoolhibs; 18-11-2017 at 10:03 AM.
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18-11-2017 10:28 AM #179
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