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    Smith gets his well-deserved century, real leadership stuff from the Aussie captain.

    Lots of credit to Pat Cummins too, he's been a stalwart holding down his end. Over the last couple of decades the Aussies have been good at turning their quickies into decent tail-enders, Cummins may well be the next in that line.
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    Cummins finally goes, but what a performance! He held his end down, while Smith drew back England's lead, and stuck a fair few runs on the board while he was at it. I get the impression he will be fired up when he gets to bowl again!
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    Tea, third day, First Test, judgement:

    England pros - Root looks a good captain in the field; Anderson and Broad are predictably capable; the newbies have batted well

    England cons - Moeen hasn't shown up yet on a friendly wicket, neither has Woakes

    Australia pros - Lyon looks good, the skipper is in very good form, an under-pressure pick in Marsh batted decently and Cummins batted like the tail-ender you dream of.

    Australia cons - look weak in critical places (opening bat and number three especially); doubts about Paine at WK

    Verdict - close, but still see Australia edging it at the very least. I think their bowlers will do more over the five Tests. And when it comes down to it, bowling twenty wickets is the key.
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    Good, steady going by Australia, but patience from Moeen yields the wicket of Hazlewood.

    Aussies four runs behind as Lyon comes in.
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    Australians take a first-innings lead with a sumptious boundary from the captain

    Smith especially, and Cummins deserve credit for moving things on.

    I think there's still a victory in this pitch for either side, though the draw is very plausible.

    A lot will depend on how good Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon do on day four.
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    2 wickets down, still behind.

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    Easy Aussie win now, England had them at 200 odd for 7, Ben Stokes is a huge miss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiberniankb View Post
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    Easy Aussie win now, England had them at 200 odd for 7, Ben Stokes is a huge miss
    He is a massive loss but I have total respect for the ECB for leaving him out. Can you imagine if he was a footballer and he did that, no way that any team or country would leave out their best player like that. Well done cricket and something football could learn from

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    Quote Originally Posted by weecounty hibby View Post
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    He is a massive loss but I have total respect for the ECB for leaving him out. Can you imagine if he was a footballer and he did that, no way that any team or country would leave out their best player like that. Well done cricket and something football could learn from

    Can you imagine what the Aussie media and fans would be subjecting him to right now if he were out there? They'd be having a field day.

    And would you trust him not to lose the plot and at the very least embarrass himself and the team? He's a terrific cricketer but one with a serious attitude problem. There's no way he should have been made vice-captain. One of Bairstow, Broad or Anderson - senior professionals - would have made sense.

    Oh yes, and he's also fragile under pressure - remember a certain T20 Final? Cricket's odd - a team game, but one where individual confrontations are crucial. In that T20 England as a team played really well and should have won, except that when the contest was Stokes v. Brathwaite, Stokes broke and lost it.

    They couldn't have taken him - I imagine the police and CPS would have had something to say anyway about him being out of the country while the case was proceeding - because bottom line, right now he's far more of a liability than an asset.

    Anyhow - they had Australia on the brink and seem to have bottled it again. Match is still finely balanced, though. Tomorrow may have a few more surprises for us.

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    Moeen Ali batting at 6 is going to really hamper England, there’s too much pressure on him. Main spinner and a specialised batsman. He used to bat at 8 behind stokes and Bairstow

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    Moeen Ali batting at 6 is going to really hamper England, there’s too much pressure on him. Main spinner and a specialised batsman. He used to bat at 8 behind stokes and Bairstow
    I'm sure his average at 6 is way below what he has produced at 7 or 8, but also 4!

    I think what we are seeing with Moeen is the impact of Stokes not being available. That's possibly stating the obvious but I think Bairstow is lower because he's maybe seen as better at nursing the tailenders.
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    Can you imagine what the Aussie media and fans would be subjecting him to right now if he were out there? They'd be having a field day.

    And would you trust him not to lose the plot and at the very least embarrass himself and the team? He's a terrific cricketer but one with a serious attitude problem. There's no way he should have been made vice-captain. One of Bairstow, Broad or Anderson - senior professionals - would have made sense.

    Oh yes, and he's also fragile under pressure - remember a certain T20 Final? Cricket's odd - a team game, but one where individual confrontations are crucial. In that T20 England as a team played really well and should have won, except that when the contest was Stokes v. Brathwaite, Stokes broke and lost it.

    They couldn't have taken him - I imagine the police and CPS would have had something to say anyway about him being out of the country while the case was proceeding - because bottom line, right now he's far more of a liability than an asset.

    Anyhow - they had Australia on the brink and seem to have bottled it again. Match is still finely balanced, though. Tomorrow may have a few more surprises for us.


    It's been a curious game. The important thing from yesterday for me was the ending. Hazlewood is a metronomic bowler, he doesn't quite have the same in-your-face aggression of Starc or Cummins. He's probably the closest of them all to the great McGrath. Now that the pitch is starting to do more for the seamers I think they could wrap things up relatively quickly and Hazlewood will benefit from bowling the other end to the real quickies.

    Smith played a key role and a leader's role yesterday, but I will reiterate that Cummins deserves enormous credit. Three important wickets in the first innings and then he played more balls than anyone other than Smith and Marsh (and by a long chalk) to not just hold down an end but to contribute runs, which gave that huge psychological advantage of a first-innings lead.
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    I'm sure his average at 6 is way below what he has produced at 7 or 8, but also 4!

    I think what we are seeing with Moeen is the impact of Stokes not being available. That's possibly stating the obvious but I think Bairstow is lower because he's maybe seen as better at nursing the tailenders.
    Throw into the mix Malan,Vince and Stoneman. England need a miracle to win this series

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    Throw into the mix Malan,Vince and Stoneman. England need a miracle to win this series
    I think Australia will win the series, not a doubt in my mind. I think Stoneman might surprise people though, I'm sure he has had something silly, like half a dozen seasons playing grade cricket in NSW.

    It's grade cricket, so not even Sheffield Shield, let alone Test, but he has probably more experience of batting on Australian pitches than anyone else in the England squad, albeit against weaker attacks.

    He's likely to do better when the tourists head south - Adelaide in particular will suit him I think, but by the same token it looks like the Aussie seamers are starting to get their act together and Lyon has been on fire in 2017.

    As it stands, I think Australia will win comfortably at the MCG and SCG and will probably be strong enough at the WACA. Adelaide is a bit more uncertain and England perhaps have a touch more experience of day-night games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I'm sure his average at 6 is way below what he has produced at 7 or 8, but also 4!

    I think what we are seeing with Moeen is the impact of Stokes not being available. That's possibly stating the obvious but I think Bairstow is lower because he's maybe seen as better at nursing the tailenders.
    At what stage in the series do you think Stokes will be brought back? If England lose the first 2 tests I think he’ll be back.

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    Starc should bowl that Yorker more often.

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    There seems to be a lot of empty seats today.

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    The Ozzie’s seem strangely subdued so far.

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    England rotating the strike well here. Australia turning to Lyon.

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    At what stage in the series do you think Stokes will be brought back? If England lose the first 2 tests I think he’ll be back.
    I don't think he will be back unless the authorities (CPS?) decide not to prosecute. I get 'innocent until proven guilty' but I think it's an impossible sell, especially given the way Cricket Australia dealt with Warner for punching Root. Stokes and the off-field stuff would become the centre of attention and seriously damage the team dynamic IMO.

    At the same time, I can see how and why they would call him back in, especially like you say, if they were going to Perth 0-2 down.

    I assume it would be replacing the spot Ball has and Overton wants. Not great for their morale and motivation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    The Ozzie’s seem strangely subdued so far.
    They have been a bit lacklustre, especially given the new ball is miles away.

    Lots to play with though - as I type, England are essentially 42-3, Lyon is looking dangerous and the seamers are too good not to spark into life at some point. Fielding has been pretty sharp too.
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    And Lyon strikes again. Real inroads being made now and England will need Root to emulate Smith with the bat I suspect.

    Smith meanwhile is doing wonders in the field.
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    Hazlewood finding joy, with his third and the crucial scalp of Joe Root. Someone posted earlier about how good Steve Smith is at converting half-centuries into centuries. Root is the opposite - his conversion rate is awful and the loss of his wicket there epitomised that.

    Lead of 92, they need at least 150 to play with and probably 180 to stand any chance. I don't think they will reach either of those figures though.
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    It's certainly set for Australia to wrap things up fairly quickly. Anderson and Broad are too proud and too long in the tooth to make it easy but it could easily be well over before lunch without the loss of a wicket.

    Looks like Australia will retain that very impressive record at the Gabba. It's not just that they haven't lost there in nearly thirty years, when they had a transitional side and were up against literally one of the greatest teams ever in the late-80s iteration of the Windies - it's also the margin of victory. Over a third of the wins in the last thirty years have been innings victories or by nine or ten wickets - they just about match the scale of the victories at the WACA but have lost several games in Perth in that time.

    I thought all the bowlers deserved credit against England in the second innings. It was clear how they operate as a unit, with the different styles complementing different phases - Hazlewood's discipline at the start, Lyon's trickery in the middle and Starc's sheer power at the end. I think Paine deserves credit too - he's proven to have quick gloves and it was his appeals that triggered the reviews of Moeen and Broad that led to their dismissals.
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    And that's that. Nice for Cam Bancroft to get a decent bat and to score the winning runs on debut.

    Interesting to see what England do for Adelaide, whether selection-wise, positions in the order, or tactics. Adelaide and possibly Perth are the two wickets expected to offer the most to Anderson and Broad but it looks like Moeen might be struggling a bit with his finger injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    And that's that. Nice for Cam Bancroft to get a decent bat and to score the winning runs on debut.

    Interesting to see what England do for Adelaide, whether selection-wise, positions in the order, or tactics. Adelaide and possibly Perth are the two wickets expected to offer the most to Anderson and Broad but it looks like Moeen might be struggling a bit with his finger injury.

    Saturday - I'd think it's doubtful whether Moeen's finger will be healed by then. He also apparently has a problem with his side. Been carrying an injury for a while. But he's really needed as a batsmen, so ....

    The tail don't wag and the top order don't dig in and make real runs. I don't think they've learned a thing, and Bayliss was as shifty and inconclusive in his interview as ever. I do not like that man.

    Anderson and Broad are as good as any in the world. Woakes is searching for form but at least we can be reasonably sure he has some form to find. Jake Ball? Anyone?

    And I think we can be sure the Aussie press will keep the Bairstow 'story' going at least until Saturday. It's the Ashes, after all.

    Commentators seem to be settling in the last couple of days. Don't like Swann, though, and Bloody Boycott needs to tone it down a bit. He's been hitting 7.0-7.5 on the EE-BAH-GOOM Register and it's doing my head in.
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    Stokes is in New Zealand to play for a local team. Clearly he’s being readied for a return to the England side if the charges against him are dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    Stokes is in New Zealand to play for a local team. Clearly he’s being readied for a return to the England side if the charges against him are dropped.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...et-new-zealand
    The lack of subtlety by England is, well.......it's just unsubtle

    I guess if he is in NZ then there must be some indication that the CPS will make its decision before Melbourne, and more likely before Perth, and that it will be not to prosecute

    The rights and wrongs aside, England desperately need him but if he comes he will face the finest sledgers of all the Test nations - should prove interesting!!

    EDIT: rolled eyes about not prosecuting aren't directed at the decision, more that the ECB might appear to have advance info
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    Saturday - I'd think it's doubtful whether Moeen's finger will be healed by then. He also apparently has a problem with his side. Been carrying an injury for a while. But he's really needed as a batsmen, so ....

    The tail don't wag and the top order don't dig in and make real runs. I don't think they've learned a thing, and Bayliss was as shifty and inconclusive in his interview as ever. I do not like that man.

    Anderson and Broad are as good as any in the world. Woakes is searching for form but at least we can be reasonably sure he has some form to find. Jake Ball? Anyone?

    And I think we can be sure the Aussie press will keep the Bairstow 'story' going at least until Saturday. It's the Ashes, after all.

    Commentators seem to be settling in the last couple of days. Don't like Swann, though, and Bloody Boycott needs to tone it down a bit. He's been hitting 7.0-7.5 on the EE-BAH-GOOM Register and it's doing my head in.
    Boycott is way over the top so far - it's interesting when they switch to the Comm Cam - Vaughan's facial expressions when Boycott is talking can be priceless.

    I liked Swann on TMS but I haven't taken to him so much on Sky, he's maybe trying a bit too hard. Ponting and Fleming have been fine though, and as stated earlier I think Gilchrist is great. Not given ABC a shot yet though, Jim Maxwell is back having recovered from a stroke, so I might tune into them for Adelaide.
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