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    Quite a game in Adelaide! In the end Australia got home relatively comfortably though I thought England did well to steady the ship after an abysmal start and probably caused a few Aussie palpitations when it was their turn to bowl.

    Woakes definitely the star of the show for England, but I thought Tom Curran made the most of his chance, at the expense of Liam Plunkett.

    For Australia, the game highlighted the damage that two forensic and fast bowlers can do, with Hazlewood bowling exquisitely and Cummins producing his best bowling figures yet in ODIs.

    I'm watching the India-SAF match at the moment on a Wanderers pitch that is still offering plenty to the fast bowlers well into day three. That makes for a salivating contest when the two sides meet, with their top-class pace attacks.
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    In regards to the SA v Ind game, its really scary just how good a pace attack SA have. They have the sadly forever injured Steyn (legend) on the sidelines but have some phenomenal talent on display. Philander and Rabada have brilliant averages, M Morkel on his day can be unplayable and the new kid on the block Ngidi looks like he has a bright future. All the talk recently has been of Starc, Hazelwood and Cummings but in my opinion they are nowhere close to the SA attack. Australia do have a far better spinner in Lyon though. The up and coming test series in SA will be interesting viewing.

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    In regards to the SA v Ind game, its really scary just how good a pace attack SA have. They have the sadly forever injured Steyn (legend) on the sidelines but have some phenomenal talent on display. Philander and Rabada have brilliant averages, M Morkel on his day can be unplayable and the new kid on the block Ngidi looks like he has a bright future. All the talk recently has been of Starc, Hazelwood and Cummings but in my opinion they are nowhere close to the SA attack. Australia do have a far better spinner in Lyon though. The up and coming test series in SA will be interesting viewing.
    Fair comment. The SAF quicks have looked frightening, especially on a borderline dangerous pitch like this but even on the unusually sticky Centurion.

    I think you can also throw in Phelukwayo, another youngster who is being used sparingly this Test but still snagged Pujara and Pandya in the first innings. There's a bit of potential there.

    For Australia, it will be interesting to see if James Pattinson will be fit in time. He would have been in the Ashes squad prior to his injury and it's curious as to whether he would have got in the XI ahead of one of the others. Cummins probably benefitted the most from his absence and certainly made the most of it. Pattinson is more than capable of bowling in the 90s, and that would give the Australians a genuinely strong four-pronged pace attack.

    Lyon had a fantastic 2017 and I would agree, is better than anyone the South Africans can put forward. He's only got a handful of games across two tours there though and it's where he averages worst. Plus the South Africans don't have left-handers to the same extent as England. Only Dean Elgar and Quintin De Kock, and I think Elgar's fielding might be calling his place into question
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    Watch cricket from time to time but not very knowledgable I see Ben Stokes has gone for 1.4m in the IPL who is it payed too?

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    Watch cricket from time to time but not very knowledgable I see Ben Stokes has gone for 1.4m in the IPL who is it payed too?
    It depends. The starting point is that it all goes to the player but it is based on them being available for all the games and often they will miss games due to international commitments, in which case it will be reduced on a pro rata basis. I think some of the national governing boards may also charge a relatively small percentage for allowing the player to play outwith their central contract, but Iím not sure how consistent that is across the various countries. Also, I think it may be slightly different yet again for Indian players as I believe the BCCI has its own approach to player contracts.
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    What a catch one handed on the boundary rope by Jordan to take NZ's third wicket, what a fielder that man is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY View Post
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    What a catch one handed on the boundary rope by Jordan to take NZ's third wicket, what a fielder that man is.
    I love the tension of 20/20 cricket, but compared to test match cricket, itís like a different game. Some of the shots the batsmen play are unrecognisable to the longer game. I can understand why some of the purists donít like it. I really enjoy it.

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    You're not wrong, England need to develop a plan b in some of these games, just sending everyone in to attack at every opportunity doesn't always work, good to watch when it does though.

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    I read today that Adil Rashid is giving up red-ball cricket with Yorkshire to focus solely on limited-overs. He's only 29. There seem to be speculation that Willey and Plunkett may follow suit which would appear to dramatically impact on YCCC's bowling strategy for Championship games.

    Whether this is another blow to the longer game or whether it allows a new wave of bowlers who wish to specialise in the longer game to flourish will remain to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I read today that Adil Rashid is giving up red-ball cricket with Yorkshire to focus solely on limited-overs. He's only 29. There seem to be speculation that Willey and Plunkett may follow suit which would appear to dramatically impact on YCCC's bowling strategy for Championship games.

    Whether this is another blow to the longer game or whether it allows a new wave of bowlers who wish to specialise in the longer game to flourish will remain to be seen.
    I wonder how much things like the IPL and the big bash have on these decisions. England are starting a similar series soon as well I believe. The money in the IPL is life changing for these guys.

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    I wonder how much things like the IPL and the big bash have on these decisions. England are starting a similar series soon as well I believe. The money in the IPL is life changing for these guys.
    I think that's undoubtedly a contributing factor. Centrally-contracted players for England aren't on bad salaries and sponsorship and media deals all add on, but the value of a two-month contract in one of the T20 leagues can boost earnings exponentially.

    Interestingly, Rashid knew he wasn't getting an IPL or Pakistani Super League contract. I think someone said previously, might have been you, that essentially Tests and limited-overs are two different sports now. Yes, it's 11v11 with bats, stumps and a ball, but the strategy, tactics and decision-making are so far removed from each other that it becomes pointless to compare.

    To an extent that's becoming true about the difference between ODI and T20 now as well. It's no surprise that players are starting to opt for white ball only, just on those grounds, let alone for financial reasons, as trying to successfully adapt your play to three different approaches on a month-to-month or week-to-week basis must be supremely challenging.

    There was a humorous article earlier today, in F365, that suggested football should emulate cricket with its Test - ODI - T20 approach of different degrees of instant thrills. The suggestion was football could have football, as we know it - futsal or fives - and what we used to call 'World Cup Willie', but also goes by the name of 'cuppies' or 'Wembley Doubles'. Someone goes in goal and then everyone else, either singly or in pairs has to try and score. Once you score you're in the next round. Last one (or two) standing gets eliminated, then you do it again and again until you have a victor.

    If you had that featuring a player or a pair from say every Premiership or EPL team, then it could be quite entertaining. Sort of Brian Jacks' Superstars meets T20 but with a football and a set of goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I think that's undoubtedly a contributing factor. Centrally-contracted players for England aren't on bad salaries and sponsorship and media deals all add on, but the value of a two-month contract in one of the T20 leagues can boost earnings exponentially.

    Interestingly, Rashid knew he wasn't getting an IPL or Pakistani Super League contract. I think someone said previously, might have been you, that essentially Tests and limited-overs are two different sports now. Yes, it's 11v11 with bats, stumps and a ball, but the strategy, tactics and decision-making are so far removed from each other that it becomes pointless to compare.

    To an extent that's becoming true about the difference between ODI and T20 now as well. It's no surprise that players are starting to opt for white ball only, just on those grounds, let alone for financial reasons, as trying to successfully adapt your play to three different approaches on a month-to-month or week-to-week basis must be supremely challenging.

    There was a humorous article earlier today, in F365, that suggested football should emulate cricket with its Test - ODI - T20 approach of different degrees of instant thrills. The suggestion was football could have football, as we know it - futsal or fives - and what we used to call 'World Cup Willie', but also goes by the name of 'cuppies' or 'Wembley Doubles'. Someone goes in goal and then everyone else, either singly or in pairs has to try and score. Once you score you're in the next round. Last one (or two) standing gets eliminated, then you do it again and again until you have a victor.

    If you had that featuring a player or a pair from say every Premiership or EPL team, then it could be quite entertaining. Sort of Brian Jacks' Superstars meets T20 but with a football and a set of goals.
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    In all seriousness I would really hope that the money generated from these T20 leagues would be invested into giving test players the financial security so that they donít feel the need to look at the 20/20 leagues as a way of securing their financial security.

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