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    The 2017-18 Ashes

    I'm taking the liberty of starting a thread for this

    Can't wait for this series to begin. Both teams have strengths and weaknesses, and whichever side capitalises on those will win.

    Selection doubts for both sides - neither team have their batting order sorted. I can't believe Root can justify not moving up to three, but then Steve Smith plays lower down as well. There's still at least one, if not more, batting places to be decided for both teams.

    Bowling-wise, Australia look formidable. The loss of Pattinson must hurt, as that would have completed the quartet, along with Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood. Lyons has quietly developed into a formidable spinner and I think you have to give credit to anyone who tries to follow on from Shane Warne.

    I really like England's bowling attack but a lot depends on how Broad and Woakes adapt at the Gabba and later at the WACA. I suspect Anderson will find the most at the MCG and SCG, but the series will be three matches down by then.

    I'm not the type to do predictions, don't do it in football and cricket is even harder but I will go for this - and welcome anyone else's views!

    First Test - Australia

    Second Test - England

    Third Test - England

    Fourth Test - Australia

    Fifth Test - Australia

    No draws, I think the emergence of T20 has made definitive results more likely, though it would be a shame if we lost the classic Test draw - there's been some beauties down the year.

    My dodgiest prediction IMO is Perth - I think England will bounce back from a doing at the Gabba and do the business in Adelaide. It's a pitch that maybe suits them. When it comes to the WACA, it's easy to see how they might be skittled by Starc and Cummins but also easy to see Broad and Anderson having fun.

    When they go back to the east coast I can't see the Aussies dropping games.

    My side-bets are Australia 5-0 and England 3-1, and it's a joy to say it's that sort of series - anything could happen!

    England will miss Stokes if he doesn't make it. If it's confirmed he's not there then I'll bump up my bet on the Aussies and if he is there I'll bump up my bet on England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I'm taking the liberty of starting a thread for this

    Can't wait for this series to begin. Both teams have strengths and weaknesses, and whichever side capitalises on those will win.

    Selection doubts for both sides - neither team have their batting order sorted. I can't believe Root can justify not moving up to three, but then Steve Smith plays lower down as well. There's still at least one, if not more, batting places to be decided for both teams.

    Bowling-wise, Australia look formidable. The loss of Pattinson must hurt, as that would have completed the quartet, along with Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood. Lyons has quietly developed into a formidable spinner and I think you have to give credit to anyone who tries to follow on from Shane Warne.

    I really like England's bowling attack but a lot depends on how Broad and Woakes adapt at the Gabba and later at the WACA. I suspect Anderson will find the most at the MCG and SCG, but the series will be three matches down by then.

    I'm not the type to do predictions, don't do it in football and cricket is even harder but I will go for this - and welcome anyone else's views!

    First Test - Australia

    Second Test - England

    Third Test - England

    Fourth Test - Australia

    Fifth Test - Australia

    No draws, I think the emergence of T20 has made definitive results more likely, though it would be a shame if we lost the classic Test draw - there's been some beauties down the year.

    My dodgiest prediction IMO is Perth - I think England will bounce back from a doing at the Gabba and do the business in Adelaide. It's a pitch that maybe suits them. When it comes to the WACA, it's easy to see how they might be skittled by Starc and Cummins but also easy to see Broad and Anderson having fun.

    When they go back to the east coast I can't see the Aussies dropping games.

    My side-bets are Australia 5-0 and England 3-1, and it's a joy to say it's that sort of series - anything could happen!

    England will miss Stokes if he doesn't make it. If it's confirmed he's not there then I'll bump up my bet on the Aussies and if he is there I'll bump up my bet on England.

    Bring it on
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    Wrong forum. :-)
    Well spotted!

    Could a kindly admin move this to "Other Sports" please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I'm taking the liberty of starting a thread for this

    Can't wait for this series to begin. Both teams have strengths and weaknesses, and whichever side capitalises on those will win.

    Selection doubts for both sides - neither team have their batting order sorted. I can't believe Root can justify not moving up to three, but then Steve Smith plays lower down as well. There's still at least one, if not more, batting places to be decided for both teams.

    Bowling-wise, Australia look formidable. The loss of Pattinson must hurt, as that would have completed the quartet, along with Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood. Lyons has quietly developed into a formidable spinner and I think you have to give credit to anyone who tries to follow on from Shane Warne.

    I really like England's bowling attack but a lot depends on how Broad and Woakes adapt at the Gabba and later at the WACA. I suspect Anderson will find the most at the MCG and SCG, but the series will be three matches down by then.

    I'm not the type to do predictions, don't do it in football and cricket is even harder but I will go for this - and welcome anyone else's views!

    First Test - Australia

    Second Test - England

    Third Test - England

    Fourth Test - Australia

    Fifth Test - Australia

    No draws, I think the emergence of T20 has made definitive results more likely, though it would be a shame if we lost the classic Test draw - there's been some beauties down the year.

    My dodgiest prediction IMO is Perth - I think England will bounce back from a doing at the Gabba and do the business in Adelaide. It's a pitch that maybe suits them. When it comes to the WACA, it's easy to see how they might be skittled by Starc and Cummins but also easy to see Broad and Anderson having fun.

    When they go back to the east coast I can't see the Aussies dropping games.

    My side-bets are Australia 5-0 and England 3-1, and it's a joy to say it's that sort of series - anything could happen!

    England will miss Stokes if he doesn't make it. If it's confirmed he's not there then I'll bump up my bet on the Aussies and if he is there I'll bump up my bet on England.

    Bring it on
    I see Finn is out injured now. As you say a lot will depend on whether Stokes makes it.

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    What’s the situation with Stokes? Will he play or not?

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    What’s the situation with Stokes? Will he play or not?
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    What date is the first test?

    See it's on BT sport's too.
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    What date is the first test?

    See it's on BT sport's too.
    BT Sport have an interesting team, a few new faces backed up by the likes of Michael Vaughan, Graeme Swann, Damian Fleming and Adam Gilchrist, who are all very good in different ways IMO.

    I’ve got BT Sport but Test cricket is probably far and away the best sport for listening to on the radio and I would happily have settled for that. The nature of narrating the game - short description of the bowler’s delivery and the outcome, followed by a minute or so of discussion while the players get ready for the next ball - means you get these five or six minute chunks every over, where the commentators will usually focus on a particular topic, maybe related to the game itself or the selection for the next match.

    They are are usually informative and entertaining, but often in a slower game they will descend in humour. Or when Henry Blofeld was commentating, a description of what bus was going past the Oval, or what a member of the crowd might be up to.

    Test Match Special, on BBC Radio is the exemplar, but for anyone who hasn’t tried it, I would recommend giving ABC (the Australian BeebJ radio coverage a shot. I assume it’s accessible on the internet. Their commentators are authoritative and knowledgable and have a lot more detail on the Aussie players and their history and form, particularly at Shield and grade level. The only thing to bear in mind is that they describe the score the other way round, so 10 for 1 becomes 1 for 10.

    ABC coverage is particularly suited for when the Ashes are in Australia. It really reinforces how far away it is when you are up in the small hours listening to the likes of Jim Maxwell et al dissecting the game. The downside is you don’t get the quaint BBC tradition of breaking away from TMS to go to the shipping forecast! Maybe now, in the world of Radio 5 Live Sports Extra that doesn’t happen anymore though.

    The first ball of the First Test must be pretty much exactly a week and a day from now - it starts on the morning of the 23rd in Brisbane, so allowing for time difference I think that will be midnight, crossing from the Wednesday to the Thursday in the UK.
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    What date is the first test?

    See it's on BT sport's too.
    Programme on BT Sports 1 starts at 11pm on Wed 22nd. First ball bowled is due at midnight and continues through into Thursday morning for day 1.

    I’ve followed cricket for years, mainly as an armchair viewer. Played a wee bit at school.

    Only ever been to one first class match. Part of my bucket list. Attend a Boxing Day Test at the MCG. Was there for first 2 days in 2006. Had the privilege of seeing live Shane Warne take his 700th test wicket (Strauss as I recall). Sitting there in a near 90,000 mostly Aussie crowd proudly wearing a Scotland cricket shirt.

    What I didn’t realise when we checked in to our apartment on 23rd Dec was we were staying in the same hotel as the England. I say hotel, i5 was actually a top class building of self catering apartments. Russell on Saville Street or was it Saville on Russell Street? Not sure. Think it’s changed names since then.

    Anyway, it was within easy walking distance from MCG. On day 1, by the time I walked back, I arrived same time as the England team. Got in the same lift as Freddie Flintoff and Manager Duncan Fletcher. The team had had a crap day. All out for 150/160 but had taken a couple of Aussie wickets towards close. There was silence in the lift. I turns to Flintoff and ask him if he could sign my Scotland cricket shirt. He just looked at me with a face like fizz, briefly smiled, said nothing. Didn’t sign the shirt. The lift doors opened, I got out and that was that!!
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    England won the toss and chose to bat first. They always seem to lose when batting first.
    Cook gone early, England now 16/1

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    England going along nicely now 39/1. Vince and Stoneman playing well.

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    Boycott is already doing my head in. I love how cricket commentators are relatively impartial with their commentary, but Boycott spoils it for me.

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    England 59/1 at lunch. Bed time for me.

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    Good start for England. Glad I'm off work rest of week going to watch as much as I can tonight.

    Watched a few Yorkshire games this season. Good game is cricket.
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    Thought overall it was England's day just.

    200 up with 6 wickets in hand is a decent platform going into tonight.

    350 plus needed?
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    Aussie bowlers maybe have another gear or two? Pleasantly surprised by Vince.

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    Watched up until lunch, then the rain came, so went to bed.
    First impression was, apart from the spin option of ‘Gazza’ Lyon, the pace bowlers weren’t up to much.
    Admittedly the pitch didn’t help them. You’d think being the home team, Aussies would prepare a pitch to suit them, not hinder them. English batsmen dug in to frustrate the hell out of the bowlers.
    Going to be an interesting series if it continues like this.

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    The pitch is slow, very slow which is unusual for the Gabba. I read that they have had unseasonable weather recently which may have had an impact.

    I think the Aussie pacemen are better than they showed - they were bowling too full a length and that's where England were gathering runs. Should also be borne in mind that Stoneman and Vince have a fair bit of experience between them, in Shield and grade cricket - they may be inexperienced at Test level but they're familiar with Aussie pitches and bowlers. This undoubtedly played a part in their selection but whether that's enough to succeed when the Aussies are performing more at their peak remains to be seen.

    I thought Cummins started to look better when he started going around the wicket, that's when we started to see more of a threat. All in all, it's quite finely poised, but on the basis that England's run rate is significantly less than I would expect Australia's to be and on the basis that Australia can improve their bowling by a relatively straightforward tactical adjustment, I'm giving the Aussies the slight edge at this point.

    First hour or so will be critical - how Malan and Ali face up to the refreshed bowlers, on their Test debuts on Australian soil.
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    The pitch is slow, very slow which is unusual for the Gabba. I read that they have had unseasonable weather recently which may have had an impact.

    I think the Aussie pacemen are better than they showed - they were bowling too full a length and that's where England were gathering runs. Should also be borne in mind that Stoneman and Vince have a fair bit of experience between them, in Shield and grade cricket - they may be inexperienced at Test level but they're familiar with Aussie pitches and bowlers. This undoubtedly played a part in their selection but whether that's enough to succeed when the Aussies are performing more at their peak remains to be seen.

    I thought Cummins started to look better when he started going around the wicket, that's when we started to see more of a threat. All in all, it's quite finely poised, but on the basis that England's run rate is significantly less than I would expect Australia's to be and on the basis that Australia can improve their bowling by a relatively straightforward tactical adjustment, I'm giving the Aussies the slight edge at this point.

    First hour or so will be critical - how Malan and Ali face up to the refreshed bowlers, on their Test debuts on Australian soil.
    We’re also at the point where we’ll see how much England are going to miss Stokes. They probably need another 200 runs, the pressure is on Ali to stick around for a bit. After that Broad needs to make a contribution with the bat.
    The pitch would suggest a draw being the most likely outcome after the first day, but if it dries up England could find themselves with an advantage.

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    We’re also at the point where we’ll see how much England are going to miss Stokes. They probably need another 200 runs, the pressure is on Ali to stick around for a bit. After that Broad needs to make a contribution with the bat.
    The pitch would suggest a draw being the most likely outcome after the first day, but if it dries up England could find themselves with an advantage.
    Woakes can bat a bit, but his average is very much bolstered by runs scored in England. He's not batted in Australia at Test level before. He did bat in South Africa, which is perhaps closest condition-wise and he didn't particularly shine. Nevertheless I think he might do well on this tour. I find him likeable as a player and wish him well, though I'm hoping the Ashes will stay down under.

    The pitch is perhaps the most draw-worthy at the Gabba in many a year but I'm backing the Australians to wrap up the remaining wickets and then set a total well in excess of England, while leaving themselves enough time to take another ten wickets. While Stoneman and Vince did well, the heart of England's batting (Cook, Root and Stokes) are out or not available, and while their second-tier (Ali, Bairstow, Woakes, Broad) can produce runs, I think the pace trio of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins have the upper hand. I also think we will see things from Nathan Lyon. He's very quietly established himself as first-choice spinner and he's edging towards his 300 Test wickets, and he was probably the pick of the first-day bowlers despite not taking a wicket. Of course, if he is finding joy on this pitch then so could Moeen......
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    Boycott is already doing my head in. I love how cricket commentators are relatively impartial with their commentary, but Boycott spoils it for me.
    Plus he has a bit of bad history with women. His first stint this morning was with Alison Mitchell.
    He disagreed with most of what she said and to say he was very condescending to her is an understatement.

    Hope they’re not paired up tonight.

    Ah good. She’s on first with Gilchrist.

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    Shift in the weather and as per usual, the Gabba pitch better-suiting quickies on day 2.

    It's practically a new ball, so the Australians will be wanting to cause some damage before lunch.......
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    Plus he has a bit of bad history with women. His first stint this morning was with Alison Mitchell.
    He disagreed with most of what she said and to say he was very condescending to her is an understatement.

    Hope they’re not paired up tonight.

    Ah good. She’s on first with Gilchrist.
    Really like Gilchrist. Non-partisan and obviously knows his stuff, plus he seems to relish just talking about the game!

    Interesting start. Obviously more life in the pitch for the quicks but Malan and Moeen haven't looked shy so far.
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    Really like Gilchrist. Non-partisan and obviously knows his stuff, plus he seems to relish just talking about the game!

    Interesting start. Obviously more life in the pitch for the quicks but Malan and Moeen haven't looked shy so far.
    You could say - test cricket being played the way it should be.
    None of the bish bash bosh ‘try and hit everything’ stuff that it sometimes descends to.
    Hope it continues in this vein.
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    You could say - test cricket being played the way it should be.
    None of the bish bash bosh stuff that it sometimes descends to.
    Hope it continues in this vein.


    I don't mind T20 or any limited-overs for that matter but a proper Test match, with all the variables it can offer, over five days is as good as it gets IMO.
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    Couple of good overs from Cummins and Hazlewood, just frustrating the England batsmen - no doubt with the intention of drawing out a risky shot.
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    Scratchy but well-deserved fifty for Malan. Credit to the England batsmen, they've knuckled down to the task of scoring hard runs. Lyon in particular has been challenging for them. I would have expected more from the seamers, Cummins is the only one showing any spark so far.
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    Scratchy but well-deserved fifty for Malan. Credit to the England batsmen, they've knuckled down to the task of scoring hard runs. Lyon in particular has been challenging for them. I would have expected more from the seamers, Cummins is the only one showing any spark so far.
    Starc has been a bit predictable so far. I thought he was going to be the main man in this test after he got the early wicket.

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    Starc has been a bit predictable so far. I thought he was going to be the main man in this test after he got the early wicket.
    He must have heard me.

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    I don't mind T20 or any limited-overs for that matter but a proper Test match, with all the variables it can offer, over five days is as good as it gets IMO.

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