Left wing/right wing support bases.

[Lancs Harp]

Im pretty sure The true blues v the dirty yellows in bedknobs and broomsticks had some sort of political overture about it. I remember worrying about it as a 7 year old. It ruined my enjoyment of the film.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Barcelona are left wing? Im not so sure about that. Catalan nationalists sure, but i dont believe they are left wing?

Aren't the political parties of Catalan independence left of centre? Barcelona as a city has a strong artistic and bohemian history which goes against the grain of the more socially conservative and Catholic mainstream.

[Pretty Boy]

Rayo Vallecano are traditionally more left wing than either of their Madrid neighbours, Real were favoured by Franco whilst Atletico had a military involvement in the 40s that attracted a right wing element.

In Israel Hapoel Tel Aviv were/are linked to the trade unions and come from one of the countries more liberal cities.

In Turkey Beskitas are viewed as the most left leaning of the traditional big 3 teams.

[Lancs Harp]

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Rayo Vallecano are traditionally more left wing than either of their Madrid neighbours, Real were favoured by Franco whilst Atletico had a military involvement in the 40s that attracted a right wing element.

In Israel Hapoel Tel Aviv were/are linked to the trade unions and come from one of the countries more liberal cities.

In Turkey Beskitas are viewed as the most left leaning of the traditional big 3 teams.

With respect PB that was a long long time ago. Is politics in the UK the same now as it was 70 years ago? It might be akin to a message board discussion in some foreign land about Hibs being an Irish nationalist club.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Left Wing? Right Wing? Does it matter as long as the wingers can cross the ball into the box for the Centre to score?

[Pretty Boy]

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Aren't the political parties of Catalan independence left of centre? Barcelona as a city has a strong artistic and bohemian history which goes against the grain of the more socially conservative and Catholic mainstream.

The independence movement in Catalonia is a 'big tent'.

The minority ruling Junts Pel Si is made up of the Democratic Convergence of Catalonia which is, for the most part, centre right, the Republican Left of Catalonia (no explanation required), the Democrats of Catalonia (centre right) and the MES or Left Movement along with various individuals with diverse views.

Podemos, a new left wing party, stood with a green and new left moment at the last election but polled poorly and finished behind the centrist, and anti independence, Citizens party.

Both the PSC (left wing) and PPC (right wing) continue to decline in both elections and polls.

[Pretty Boy]

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With respect PB that was a long long time ago. Is politics in the UK the same now as it was 70 years ago? It might be akin to a message board discussion in some foreign land about Hibs being an Irish nationalist club.

Of course. I did qualify by saying 'traditionally'.

In saying that the Ultra Sur of Real Madrid are, by most definitions, a pretty hardline right wing group. Equally the Frente Atletico Ultras saw Ateltico fined a couple of seasons back for making fascist salutes at games against Both Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao. They have quite a nasty nationalist element amongst them.

Quite a good article about the Madrid clubs from FourFourtwo below:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...might-be-wrong

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Of course. I did qualify by saying 'traditionally'.

In saying that the Ultra Sur of Real Madrid are, by most definitions, a pretty hardline right wing group. Equally the Frente Atletico Ultras saw Ateltico fined a couple of seasons back for making fascist state salutes at games against Both Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao. They have quite a nasty nationalist element amongst them.

Quite a good article about the Madrid clubs from FourFourtwo below:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...might-be-wrong

Fair enough but does being nationalist necessarily mean being right wing? Are the SNP or Plaid Cymru right wing?

[Colr]

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[JeMeSouviens]

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The independence movement in Catalonia is a 'big tent'.

The minority ruling Junts Pel Si is made up of the Democratic Convergence of Catalonia which is, for the most part, centre right, the Republican Left of Catalonia (no explanation required), the Democrats of Catalonia (centre right) and the MES or Left Movement along with various individuals with diverse views.

Podemos, a new left wing party, stood with a green and new left moment at the last election but polled poorly and finished behind the centrist, and anti independence, Citizens party.

Both the PSC (left wing) and PPC (right wing) continue to decline in both elections and polls.

You missed out the CUP, hard left, anti-EU and independentista. They get about 10% of the vote in Catalonia.

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Fair enough but does being nationalist necessarily mean being right wing? Are the SNP or Plaid Cymru right wing?

Do groups of their supporters make fascists salutes at rivals?

I'm not anti Atletico but their prominent ultras group has issues with people using fascist salutes and iconography and chanting racial slurs.

Moving on I remember being a bit confused by the football rivalry in Kraków. Wisla Kraków were for many years owned, funded and controlled by the Communist Police yet when I went to one of their games they displayed banners declaring support for Lazio and had anti Semitic banners aimed at fans of Cracovia, who are traditionally seen as the Jewish team in Kraków. I'm still a bit confused by the whole thing now tbh.

[Firestarter]

Millwall v Tranmere has to be the radgest match ever beeen to. That was separate wing.

[Tornadoes70]

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Hearts = Monster Raving Loony

And that's their more moderate section.

[Lancs Harp]

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Do groups of their supporters make fascists salutes at rivals?

I'm not anti Atletico but their prominent ultras group has issues with people using fascist salutes and iconography and chanting racial slurs.

Moving on I remember being a bit confused by the football rivalry in Kraków. Wisla Kraków were for many years owned, funded and controlled by the Communist Police yet when I went to one of their games and they displayed banners declaring support for Lazio and had anti Semitic banners aimed at fans of Cracovia, who are traditionally seen as the Jewish team in Kraków. I'm still a bit confused by the whole thing now tbh.

A number of years ago I followed England to Poland for a world cup qualifier. We gambled the match would be in Warsaw and booked up accordingly. The match was actually in Krakow. The tour company put 3 buses on for us "Warsaw based" England fans to get down to Krakow on the day of the match (had a great time in Warsaw btw preceding). Close the ground they advised we took out flags out of the windows and we did accordingly. As crowds got bigger and bigger close to the stadium our coaches started getting a bit of stick, we couldnt work out why as we had taken our flags down as advised and most of the curtains on the coaches drawn. Bricks started bouncing off the buses and for a while it was quite interesting. It was only later we discovered our coaches were being attacked not because we were England fans but because we had come from Warsaw and of course our coaches had Warsaw telephone numbers etc displayed on the rear and sides of the coaches!!

[Hillsidehibby]

If you have ever travelled from Krakow to Auswich/Birkenau and seen the anti jewish graffiti on the way then nothing makes sense in this world.

[DH1875]

No idea about right or left wing but pretty sure Roma have Jewish connections so doubt they are anything to do with right wing. Also as pointed out in the thread, Atletico Madrid might be considered left wing but their ultras are more anti Barcelona than the Ultras Sur of Real and will often join up with Real against Barca.

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What best describes Hibs? ....... Bohemian?

This says it for me. Not left, not right just.....culturally different. A politician once made a comment about Hibs being a team of poets and philosophers from the sunny uplands of of Leith and I believed him. I think there's a cultural angst amongst the Hibs' support.

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No idea about right or left wing but pretty sure Roma have Jewish connections so doubt they are anything to do with right wing. Also as pointed out in the thread, Atletico Madrid might be considered left wing but their ultras are more anti Barcelona than the Ultras Sur of Real and will often join up with Real against Barca.

Roma had (not sure if they still do) a sizeable Jewish support, hence some of the outrageous banners of Lazio fans in Rome derbies. However, the Roma ultras group is also right wing itself, from what I've read.

[Pete]

Man City = Left wing good guys

Man Utd = Right wing nutters. Avoid.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Man City = Left wing good guys

Man Utd = Right wing nutters. Avoid.

So true

[Pete]

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So true

Fake news. 😝

[NAE NOOKIE]

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This says it for me. Not left, not right just.....culturally different. A politician once made a comment about Hibs being a team of poets and philosophers from the sunny uplands of of Leith and I believed him. I think there's a cultural angst amongst the Hibs' support.

Probably pretty accurate ... I don't think you could label Hibs fans as massively political, though if pushed I would say we definitely lean to the left of centre insomuch as if a left wing group were going to be trying to recruit outside ER it probably wouldn't cause much reaction, whereas a right wing group trying the same would get short shrift.

As usual the only barometer is this message board and I would say more posters ( myself included ) who are happy to put their political views out there lean to the left than the right ..... Overall though I think as a support we like to see ourselves as more socially aware than political and the success of the Dnipro charity and the food bank collections reflect that.

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Back in the day I think Chelsea certainly had a right wing element. Their right wing element these days is Tory right due the amount of accountants and such like that follow or can afford to follow the club.

I dont think anything like big numbers of West Ham, Millwall or Leeds fans are right wing, all three clubs coming from traditionally working class areas with working class backgrounds..

Working class can be right wing, no problem.

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Real Madrid were Franco’s team and surely tend to the Right. I think that Atletico’s support base tended to be Socialist although the club was owned for many years by Jesus Gill a noted neo-fascist. Having watched a few televised matches at the home of Rayo Vallecano, the number of hammer and sickle flags in evidence from the flats outside the stadium suggests that they may have some Communist support.

I heard that TSV 1860 Munich enjoy a similar counter culture support to St Pauli while Bayern Munich are very much the establishment club with many leading players and officials openly supporting the CSU (when they managed to stay out of jail!).

I don't think 1860 have quite the left credentials of St. Pauli but it's certainly true that they consider themselves to be the working class team of Munich and always have done with strong historical links to the unions.

Millwall are getting a bit of a hard time from some folk here but I've always been very impressed by them. Despite having some hardcore nutters hanging around, the club have an excellent track record of initiatives to combat racism and nazi views and support the local community of Bermondsey, working through schools, youth clubs etc. They've been doing this for several decades - long before most clubs got going at it and deserve a bit of credit for it.

[jgl07]

It would be a mistake to draw too many conclusions from the Ultra groups in this context.

Ultra fan groups are generally right wing in Italy and Spain. Roma fans may mock Lazio for having a neo-fascist element in their support but Roma have their share fascist supporters.

It is much the same in England with the EDL being founded by football ‘firms’ from throughout the country although many seem to follow lower league teams.

[andybev1]

The thing I value most about being a season ticket holder is the fact I can forget about all of the crap that goes on outside of the turnstiles for a couple of hours because there is all the rest of the week for worrying about those kind of things. I kind of see this site like the football ground now that I think about it, with the rest of the net being the other side of the turnstiles - so for me I will give the political type of threads a miss.

[IGRIGI]

Celtic like to pass themselves off as left wing good guys but with the likes of Jim Murphy and that other warmonger that I forget the name of in amongst their support many of them wouldn't look out of place at Ibrox.

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Celtic like to pass themselves off as left wing good guys but with the likes of Jim Murphy and that other warmonger that I forget the name of in amongst their support many of them wouldn't look out of place at Ibrox.

John Reid.

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Celtic like to pass themselves off as left wing good guys but with the likes of Jim Murphy and that other warmonger that I forget the name of in amongst their support many of them wouldn't look out of place at Ibrox.

That's fair enough. In Britain we don't have the politicisation of football, unlike on the continent, where it's much more overt. Even if a club like Lazio or Zenit St Petersburg were my local club, I couldn't support them because of the political direction of the fan groups.

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John Reid.

Hibs have Brian Monteith amongst their supporters.

Also remember Tory donor David Rowland, who the Daily Mail described as a Tax exile, 'shady financier'... and a political liability!