Left wing/right wing support bases.

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PSG were mixed. The kop of boulogne generally housed the right-wing leaning fans. The opposite end the Auteuil housed the Tigris Mystic group and made up of north african and arab immigrants and left leaning PSG fans. Wasn't uncommon for them to fight eachother and have separate segregated sections at away matches. Pretty sure there was a death (stabbing i think) between PSG fans fighting PSG fans and both ends got closed down and all groups banned. After 6 years a new Ultras group was allowed back in the terraces called Collectif Ultras.

It was the Boulogne boys that I was familiar with. Very political, very violent, and there was always nonsense with OM throughout the 90s until the boy got stabbed to death and the ban on travelling fans started. My mate grew up in the outskirts of Paris in the 90s and he told me some tales. He's PSG and he hated them.

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Do groups of their supporters make fascists salutes at rivals?

I'm not anti Atletico but their prominent ultras group has issues with people using fascist salutes and iconography and chanting racial slurs.

Moving on I remember being a bit confused by the football rivalry in Kraków. Wisla Kraków were for many years owned, funded and controlled by the Communist Police yet when I went to one of their games they displayed banners declaring support for Lazio and had anti Semitic banners aimed at fans of Cracovia, who are traditionally seen as the Jewish team in Kraków. I'm still a bit confused by the whole thing now tbh.

You are confusing what communism became with its original ideal.

A Police team in a Police State. Sounds a bit Facist no?

Reckon it’s the right wing establishment team.

J

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Hearts definitely have a nazi size queen element to their fanbase

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Could class Liverpool on the Left.

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The Evra thread got me thinking about clubs that are famous/infamous for the political inclinations of their support. It isn't something we see much in Britain; though if course we have some religious divide in the game, sadly.

Famously left wing supports - Marseille, Livorno, AEK Athens, St Pauli.

Right wing - Lazio, Roma, Inter, Hamburg, Zenit St Peterburg; The Rangers, definitely The Rangers.

Which other clubs are known for their strong political outlook?

Livorno have a hard core Communist base (think it's where the Italian Communist party were founded), Bolgna are classed as Leftist, think Atalanta are right wing. Linfield are also known for their interesting political views..

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I've always thought perceived Liverpool and Hibs fans as being mostly libertarian left types whilst Hearts are a stuffy right wing club trying to cling onto the coat tails of an establishment that thinks they are trash.

Sure you mean libertarian, mate? Not many of them in Scotland. Libertarianism occupies that shady area between left and right - somewhere near anarchism - where government must be as small as possible in order to ensure completely free enterprise. I reckon Hibs is trad left, big government, old left. In general, of course.

Apart from that one weirdo on the FLA thread who's probably wearing his brown shirt as we speak.

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You are confusing what communism became with its original ideal.

A Police team in a Police State. Sounds a bit Facist no?

Reckon it’s the right wing establishment team.

J

My Spanish friend refers to Real Madrid as "Franco's Facists". Soviet and East German teams were often "works" teams for different parts of the state..in Moscow CSKA were Army, Lokomotiv - Railways/Transportation, Dynamo was affiliated to the KGB..

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My Spanish friend refers to Real Madrid as "Franco's Facists". Soviet and East German teams were often "works" teams for different parts of the state..in Moscow CSKA were Army, Lokomotiv - Railways/Transportation, Dynamo was affiliated to the KGB..

The Russian ones were often works or industry backed as you say. Have a read of Dynamo - defending the honour of Kiev by Andy Dougan.

Great insight into how the teams worked as well as being a great historical read. I'd say they were socialist at the time rather than communist.

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Sure you mean libertarian, mate? Not many of them in Scotland. Libertarianism occupies that shady area between left and right - somewhere near anarchism - where government must be as small as possible in order to ensure completely free enterprise. I reckon Hibs is trad left, big government, old left. In general, of course.

Apart from that one weirdo on the FLA thread who's probably wearing his brown shirt as we speak.

There is both left libertarianism/anarcho-syndicalism and right libertarianism/ anarcho-capitalism. Noam Chomsky describes himself as the former; someone like Ayn Rand was the latter.

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There is both left libertarianism/anarcho-syndicalism and right libertarianism/ anarcho-capitalism. Noam Chomsky describes himself as the former; someone like Ayn Rand was the latter.

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From what I`ve seen in Spanish football , left / right difference between rival clubs is pretty insignificant . Real Madrid were referred to as the team of the " regime " ( meaning Franco`s regime ) but Atletico Madrid were Atletico Aviación with even closer links to Franco`s regime and certainly their " Ultras " now are eve more right wing than anything that follows Real Madrid . Never thought of Barcelona or their fans as being left wing and can`t think why anyone would think differently . A very rich club with many rich supporters ( could be compared with tennis clubs in Barcelona but on a much bigger scale ) . Some politicians ( almost all or all right wing Catalan nationalaists or right wing Catalan independence supporters ) have used Barcelona CF to boost their political careers and club have tried or still try to use political issues to boost income but knowing that internal Spanish issues won`t affect their enormoyus popularity outside Spain especially outside Europe . Seville is a bit like Edinburgh in that there are 2 teams with similar supports , Sevilla with a slightly bigger support within the city while Betis are very popular in villages all over Andalusia ( competing with Real Madrid and Barcelona ) and in other parts of Spain where there are a lot of Andalusians particularly Catalonia ( especially poorer parts where Andalusian / Extremeño workers settled - mainly left - wing anti Catalan independence if political labels have to be given ) . Sevilla is supposed to be the " establishment " team in Seville but that was a long time ago and Spain has moved on very fast in the last 40 odd years and in fact Betis ultras are right wing while Sevilla Biri Biri are left wing . In all cases , talk of Ultras is of a tiny percentage of club supports so I would say political influence in club supports is far less than many observers might think or hope for . Rayo Vallecano havae been mentioned before on this thread as having a left - wing support which I`m sure is true - Vallecas is a poor area of Madrid with a high percentage of Andalusian " immigrants " ( like many areas of Catalonia ) and most fans will be local who have no affinity with gloryhunters following Real and Atletico .

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if its become a team in green thread then I'll go Tampa Bay Rowdies.

Right wing state.

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From what I`ve seen in Spanish football , left / right difference between rival clubs is pretty insignificant . Real Madrid were referred to as the team of the " regime " ( meaning Franco`s regime ) but Atletico Madrid were Atletico Aviación with even closer links to Franco`s regime and certainly their " Ultras " now are eve more right wing than anything that follows Real Madrid . Never thought of Barcelona or their fans as being left wing and can`t think why anyone would think differently . A very rich club with many rich supporters ( could be compared with tennis clubs in Barcelona but on a much bigger scale ) . Some politicians ( almost all or all right wing Catalan nationalaists or right wing Catalan independence supporters ) have used Barcelona CF to boost their political careers and club have tried or still try to use political issues to boost income but knowing that internal Spanish issues won`t affect their enormoyus popularity outside Spain especially outside Europe . Seville is a bit like Edinburgh in that there are 2 teams with similar supports , Sevilla with a slightly bigger support within the city while Betis are very popular in villages all over Andalusia ( competing with Real Madrid and Barcelona ) and in other parts of Spain where there are a lot of Andalusians particularly Catalonia ( especially poorer parts where Andalusian / Extremeño workers settled - mainly left - wing anti Catalan independence if political labels have to be given ) . Sevilla is supposed to be the " establishment " team in Seville but that was a long time ago and Spain has moved on very fast in the last 40 odd years and in fact Betis ultras are right wing while Sevilla Biri Biri are left wing . In all cases , talk of Ultras is of a tiny percentage of club supports so I would say political influence in club supports is far less than many observers might think or hope for . Rayo Vallecano havae been mentioned before on this thread as having a left - wing support which I`m sure is true - Vallecas is a poor area of Madrid with a high percentage of Andalusian " immigrants " ( like many areas of Catalonia ) and most fans will be local who have no affinity with gloryhunters following Real and Atletico .

Thats what I was going to mention, as I was in Granada the last time Barca played Real, and my mate who lives there was trying to explain to me the Real (Royal) support, are like royalists,
and the divide with the Barca support is like fascists vs anarchists.. Very complex..
Saying that, there was equal amounts of fans from both teams in every bar, and no sign of violence..
The same trip I was in a bar in Malaga when we beat the Rangers 3-2 again, and a grown man, with 3 kids in tow, called me a Catholic *******!!!! Ugly!!!

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