Klopp: Hit or Flop?

[Northernhibee]

Way too early to tell. Needs another couple of seasons before the full picture will become apparent.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Courtinho is nowhere close to world class.

I often wonder if people understand what "nowhere near" means on here. It is used so often to describe things which are very close or actually there. Coutinho is very close to if not world class. Liam Craig is an example of nowhere near world class.

[Keith_M]

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Ive never understood what the huge attraction about him is.

In his last season at Dortmund...He wasnt that far off being relegated really.

In 2015, They finished 7th, clinching the last European qualifying spot, despite injuries and consistently having their best players poached by Bayern.


Back to the question: Liverpool are owned by Yanks, not a Russian Oligarch or an Arab Prince. They'll probably be relatively poor relations in England for a while yet, so Klopp doesn't exactly have an easy task.

[LNHibs]

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It's all subjective and you could argue Liverpool would have been outwith the CL places without Coutinho's displays last season. Both he and Suarez are world class players.

Coutinho was good last year but wouldn't say he was even our best player, whereas Suarez was head and shoulders above anyone else in the league that year. Not really a comparison

[Beefster]

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They finished 7th

Facts are all very well but if they had finished only 10 places lower, they’d have been relegated.

[Ryan69]

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They finished 7th

you just looked at their final position.

They finished season with about 6 wins,but until that run....They were in real danger the whole season.

[Ryan69]

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Yes because his whole squad was injured until January...when they were fit he had them winning every week. That is easily the most lazy criticism of Klopp I've seen, there was nothing he could do.

So last season in Germany...he struggled.
Whole time at Liverpool....seems tobe a struggle.

notice a pattern here.

[Salt N Sauzee]

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Facts are all very well but if they had finished only 10 places lower, they’d have been relegated.

Is that you, Mark Warburton?

[Michael]

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I often wonder if people understand what "nowhere near" means on here. It is used so often to describe things which are very close or actually there. Coutinho is very close to if not world class. Liam Craig is an example of nowhere near world class.

Would Courtinho even get in the City, United or Chelsea teams?

[Salt N Sauzee]

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you just looked at their final position.

They finished season with about 6 wins,but until that run....They were in real danger the whole season.

Isn't the final position all that matters? If they really were in danger all season they surely won't of finished that high up the league.

Looking at that season from match-day 17 to 34 (Halfway through the season) they lost 5, won 9 and drew 4 league games and took themselves from rock-bottom to 7th. Hardly a close call.

I'm pretty sure any team who lost players like Lewandowski and Gotze to their main rivals would of seen a drop in league position like they did.

[R'Albin]

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Would Courtinho even get in the City, United or Chelsea teams?

No but I could see him getting a trial.

[Salt N Sauzee]

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Would Courtinho even get in the City, United or Chelsea teams?

Probably not. But Coutinho would!

[Brooster]

Flop. Acts the goat to cover his shortcomings. Similar to Strachan.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Would Courtinho even get in the City, United or Chelsea teams?

City have 3 top class attacking midfielders but yes, he would compete with them for a spot for sure. Could he compete with Mata for a spot in Uniteds team? Absolutely. Chelsea don't really play with his type of player so hard to say.

People love a circle jerk about these overrated English players at clubs they dislike, strange that we cant just enjoy watching them.

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So last season in Germany...he struggled.
Whole time at Liverpool....seems tobe a struggle.

notice a pattern here.

No. Half his team was injured so they struggled. He won the league twice as well, you know that right?

[hibs#1]

I saw a tweet comparing his and mourinhos last 46 games I believe it was,klopps record is better in that time period,I know stats can be misleading but does add to the arguement.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Well his team aren't boring that's for sure, but I doubt that will count for much if he doesn't win something or at the very least finish in the top 4 by the end of next season. There's no doubt his personality is going a long way towards keeping the fans onside, you just cant help liking the guy.

[jgl07]

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Ive never understood what the huge attraction about him is.

In his last season at Dortmund...He wasnt that far off being relegated really.

Hardly. They finished seventh and qualified for the Europa League

[Michael]

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I saw a tweet comparing his and mourinhos last 46 games I believe it was,klopps record is better in that time period,I know stats can be misleading but does add to the arguement.

Well, United were 6th last season so it's not surprising.

[IlDiavola]

That defence

[Scouse Hibee]

Folk seem to like his personality, I find it extremely irritating at times.
Not sure he has improved Liverpool at all really, I liken it to a sideways move rather than an upward one. Yes he has signed some great attacking flair players and his teams look great in full flow attacking and playing some great football. However it's all a bit disjointed when that same team can't succesfully defend, he doesn't seem to identify that as a priority given his transfer dealings and targets. Got a CL place which I suppose could be described as progress, but do we look like we can consistently sustain that type of challenge? At the moment no, so for me we are really no further forward than we were before he came.

[theonlywayisup]

Pretty even split poll result - so far 17 / 16 / 17 for all three options

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think qualifying for the Champions League for the first time in several years is evidence of improvement. I think he's a top manager and Liverpool could be a very good side, once the defence is fixed. I'm hoping their comedy show at the back continues against United

[ekhibee]

A lot of people seem to rate Coutinho as world class, but for me he's nowhere near consistent enough to come into that category. At the same time that's only my opinion, as I'm not a Liverpool fan and obviously haven't attended any of the games he's been playing in. He's definitely got the ability, but IMO, particularly against the top sides in the league, too often he's posted missing or ineffective. He's scored some brilliant goals, and his assists are probably numerous as well, but he's not, in my opinion, worth anything like the figure quoted for Barcelona. That said, he's still got loads of potential and could easily become a world class player in the future. Is he not quite injury prone as well? He seems to have missed a fair amount of games in his time at Liverpool. I'm sure the Liverpool fans on here will be able to correct me if I'm wrong though.

[heretoday]

It's no surprise that I am a bit Goodison-minded.

In short - I love the Toffees. When we went down to Liverpool a year ago we went right into the club and no one stopped us.

We spoke to the manager - Koeman - and some of the players like Holgate, Bainsey and Jagielka. Fantastic people. They really love their team.

And so do I.

[jgl07]

Unfair to blame Klopp for Liverpool's shortcomings.

Their 'transfer committee' policy is insane. It is based on the American Sports idea of Moneyball.

Who they can sign and who they can't sign is determined by a committee of Yanks who know sweet FA about football. Everything is determined by a formula taking account of sell on prices etc.

One of Manchester City's best recent signings is Fernadino who was 28 when he arrived. Liverpool would never have been allowed to spend big money on a 28 year old because there would be no prospect of a big sell on price.

[hibsbollah]

More evidence today that Klopp has the tactical acumen to dominate teams, but he needs to find someone to be the fox in the box to turn slowly this possession into goals. I'd give Sturridge a run for a few games.

[Pretty Boy]

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More evidence today that Klopp has the tactical acumen to dominate teams, but he needs to find someone to be the fox in the box to turn slowly this possession into goals. I'd give Sturridge a run for a few games.

I think today probably illustrates why only one of these teams will be competitive come the end of the season. United were poor but came away with a draw and now have 9 clean sheets in their last 10. Liverpool dominated but couldn't find a way to win and now have 1 win in their last 8 games.

It's the classic team playing poorly finding a way to snatch something v team playing well failing to capitalise.

[hibsbollah]

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I think today probably illustrates why only one of these teams will be competitive come the end of the season. United were poor but came away with a draw and now have 9 clean sheets in their last 10. Liverpool dominated but couldn't find a way to win and now have 1 win in their last 8 games.

It's the classic team playing poorly finding a way to snatch something v team playing well failing to capitalise.

But from a United point of view, this is a Liverpool defence getting a hammering from most forward lines they've come up against, but what does José do? Go for the jugular? Nah. Leave Lukaku up front on his own and park the bus with the other nine defending all afternoon. He's got a point, but if they want to win the league they'll have to do better than that. Without de gea they would have lost today, and they'll be casting envious eyes over at the etihad.

[Pretty Boy]

Good effort by Klopp today but still falling short in his quest for most laughable performances out of Merseyside. Koeman just wanted it a little bit more.

[Iggy Pope]

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Good effort by Klopp today but still falling short in his quest for most laughable performances out of Merseyside. Koeman just wanted it a little bit more.

Losing to Huddersfield is on the podium too, albeit non Mersey.