If we fail tomorrow should he stay or go ?
There's no doubt that the Scotland job is a tough gig, as the years go by you could liken it to our previous Scottish cup hoodoo.
I've slated his management in the past, could we do any better under another manager?
Imo we're held back by the dinosaurs at the SFA , but that's another argument.
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07-10-2017 09:19 PM #1
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Gordon Strachan
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07-10-2017 09:22 PM #2
He should go if we don't at least get a crack at the play offs from the position that we're in now.
I felt that he should have gone at the end of the last campaign and although he has salvaged his Scotland career somewhat during the latter part of this campaign, it has to be said that it will be a very disappointing end to this one if we can't manage to get the win that we need tomorrow and I feel that his time will be over.
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07-10-2017 09:23 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I don't always agree with all of his selections but this has been a good campaign.
I think he'll leave though.
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07-10-2017 09:28 PM #4
He should leave as soon as Russia is either no longer possible, or if we get there then when that campaign is finished, he has not convinced at all, not what's needed to take Scotland forward
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07-10-2017 09:34 PM #5
I suppose he probably should, and possibly would, walk if we don't qualify as traditionally two unsuccessful campaigns are the limit. However, he has arguably done enough to justify another crack (assuming tomorrow night isn't a complete disaster), as the players are now performing under his leadership, there seems to be genuine camaraderie in the squad, and there are some good youngsters coming through. I do love the wee man's passion.
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07-10-2017 09:55 PM #6
Some people are desperate to see him fail. i think he should stay whatever happens, but if we dont win tomorrow the knives will be out.
He gets major critiscism for euro 2016 campaign however he was snookered by the Germans gifting four points to the oirish. If Germany hadnt been so uncharaterstically useless twice, we would have had a playoff.
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Georgia away was awful , just feel we were so close and in normal circumstances (ie germany beating everyone) we could have got away with that slip up.
Hes def made mistakes, mainly not playing Griffiths soon enough but i cant think of too many baffling team selections other than that tbh.
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07-10-2017 09:57 PM #9
He should stay. Continuity is a big thing in football. Can anyone really say that we could do any better under another manager.
United we stand here....
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07-10-2017 10:00 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If he gets a playoff place for Russia that would be all I'd have expected he could have achieved.
If we get there he should definitely stay IMHO.
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07-10-2017 10:06 PM #11
Stay, win or lose. We are getting better considering the lack of real talent we have. If he goes, who'd get it that was better?
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08-10-2017 07:28 AM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Don’t get me wrong, we’re no world beaters and failure to qualify is completely unacceptable. But Scotland has had 6 (six!!!) new managers since France 1998 and none of them have achieved qualification, which should be the minimum target.
So there’s overwhelming evidence to prove that changing manager doesn’t improve anything.
Perhaps a little more continuity might be something to go with.
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07-10-2017 10:05 PM #16
I'm always torn on this subject. Results when he first came in were great. We played some excellent football in that first campaign and went out to a combination of things. Germany gifting Ireland points as posted above. Us dropping 4 points late on against Poland and that match in Georgia.
This campaign started shockingly but he has turned it round. People want Strachan to fail it's clear to see.
But on the other hand, he's stubborn, too loyal at times and can be a right condescending prick in interviews.
If we take a hiding tomorrow, we'll finish 4th for the 2nd straight campaign he's led. Ultimately, that's under achieving and failure so he would have to go imo.
I must say though, I've enjoyed his time in charge more than most over the last 10 years
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07-10-2017 10:29 PM #17
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Happy for him to stay. I can't think of anyone else that I'd rather have at the moment. At least he tries to get us playing football.
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08-10-2017 07:26 AM #22
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He seems to have learned or learning from mistakes he was making early in the campaign, however if we fail to make the play offs he has to go.
My only fear is the calibre of replacements we could attract given the SFA and their budget.
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08-10-2017 07:28 AM #23
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Go if fail. His attitude at the start of the campaign with the games not being must wins ****ed it up for us as a whole. We are a country that to qualify every match must be considered a must win knock out match, that way we don't arse about against Lithuania. Brendan Rodgers has also effectively saved his career this far. We win tonight I think he will quit on a high regardless of the playoff.
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08-10-2017 07:51 AM #25
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His Scotland career kind of replicates his Middlesbrough one where he took all they tried and tested players with him and got sacked within a year or so.Last edited by Firestarter; 08-10-2017 at 07:53 AM.
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If he said yes to the question then we still drew against Lithuania he would be basically saying that our qualification hopes were over after 2 games.
Brendan Rogers not playing Leigh Griffiths at the start of last season is part of the reason that LG wasnt starting for Scotland. Maybe its his fault also for the poor start to the group?Last edited by LaMotta; 08-10-2017 at 08:07 AM.
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08-10-2017 08:09 AM #27
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GS didn't pick Leigh when he was playing every week prior to that either. It was lump up Park to Fletcher, remember Georgia? Strachan only picked Leigh after his job was on the line. And that's not even starting on the pish in defence he constantly selected even if they hadn't played for months.Last edited by Firestarter; 08-10-2017 at 08:12 AM.
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Other than LG omission though dont think there is much to argue with.
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08-10-2017 08:13 AM #30
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He started picking in form Celtic players and built the side round them.
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