hibs.net Messageboard

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 60 of 128
  1. #31
    When hibs went up to lift the Scottish cup, I was there!
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Dunfermline
    Age
    33
    Posts
    11,994
    Gamer IDs

    Gamertag: Myjo5984 Wii Code: 3916 0145 9394 9493
    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Or how they would be able to identify the aggressive shooter amongst all the other people aiming and firing guns trying to shoot back?
    All that would have happened here is people would have heard gunshots and start to panic, hundreds of people then draw thier own weapons and open fire on the first person they see with a gun in thier hand which in all likelyhood would have been someone else doing the same as them and you have a death toll of 500+ rather than 50.

    The second amendment was created when the right to bear arms meant you could defend yourself with a musket that could fire a little ball of metal twice a minute if you were well trained. To use this to justify owning weaponry that allows a single person to murder over 50 people and injure hundreds more in just a few minutes is just wrong.

    Any automatic fire, long-range or high-calibre weapon is not for self-defence, thier only purpose is to kill and its long past due that America stopped people from owning these types of weapons for any reason.




    #persevered


  2. Log in to remove the advert

  3. #32
    @hibs.net private member Bristolhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Chippenham/Bath
    Age
    37
    Posts
    4,265
    Quote Originally Posted by MyJo View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    All that would have happened here is people would have heard gunshots and start to panic, hundreds of people then draw thier own weapons and open fire on the first person they see with a gun in thier hand which in all likelyhood would have been someone else doing the same as them and you have a death toll of 500+ rather than 50.

    The second amendment was created when the right to bear arms meant you could defend yourself with a musket that could fire a little ball of metal twice a minute if you were well trained. To use this to justify owning weaponry that allows a single person to murder over 50 people and injure hundreds more in just a few minutes is just wrong.

    Any automatic fire, long-range or high-calibre weapon is not for self-defence, thier only purpose is to kill and its long past due that America stopped people from owning these types of weapons for any reason.
    Spot on regarding the Second Amendment.

    Sure they can have guns, just not military grade assault weapons.

    J

  4. #33
    #dotnettopboiz Haymaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Chatham, NJ, USA
    Age
    32
    Posts
    8,015
    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Spot on regarding the Second Amendment.

    Sure they can have guns, just not military grade assault weapons.

    J
    According to my friend who is very much pro 2nd amendment, they should be allowed everything the government can have. And apparently a lot of people agree.

    Which is slightly worrying.
    21.05.2016. I Was There.

    .net PM board "Biggest Slaver of the year 2014"

    Less talk, more gifs. :

  5. #34
    Coaching Staff NAE NOOKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Galashiels
    Posts
    8,931
    Only the American public can solve this problem and only if they are prepared to meet it head on. The start would be new laws to absolutely prohibit the sale and ownership of automatic and semi automatic weapons .... if the fact that one single pensioner can kill nearly 60 people and injure hundreds more in a few minutes isn't horrific enough to bring about that change then there is no hope for them at all.

    There is no real life scenario imaginable ( the meltdown of society, a commie invasion, or the zombie apocalypse are not real life scenarios ) where an ordinary member of the public can justify the need to own or posses a weapon capable of firing hundreds of rounds a minute, absolutely none. That has to be the starting point of the anti gun lobby .... and what they need to do first of all is ask the pro gun lobby to show one single instance in 200 years of rampant and universal public gun ownership where an automatic weapon in the hands of an ordinary member of the public has saved an innocent life.

    The second amendment is accepted by most of America's politicians, lawmakers and millions of citizens as meaning that individual citizens have the right to posses arms and keep them in their homes, at least insomuch as none of them have seriously ever successfully challenged that view. But its highly unlikely that the people who drafted that amendment could have foreseen the unimaginable firepower available to a single individual in the modern age ...... the fight has to be not against the second amendment, but against the type of weapon that amendment allows an individual to carry.

  6. #35
    Coaching Staff hibsbollah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Age
    46
    Posts
    17,238
    Quote Originally Posted by Haymaker View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    According to my friend who is very much pro 2nd amendment, they should be allowed everything the government can have. And apparently a lot of people agree.

    Which is slightly worrying.
    But where does it end? Fully automatic kalashnikovs? Missile launchers? Mini nukes? If the second amendment is interpreted that way to its natural conclusion any old redneck can own an ICBM with a nuclear warhead. So what makes Kim Jong Un any different? All my American friends and family are pro gun control so I can't make the argument but I'd love to get an answer to that question from the other side.
    Last edited by hibsbollah; 03-10-2017 at 07:53 AM.

  7. #36
    Private Members Prediction League Winner Hibrandenburg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Brandenburg
    Age
    51
    Posts
    8,892
    They won't consider a gun ban. These mass shootings are always the fault of:

    Criminals
    Blacks
    Psychos
    Islamists
    Aggrieved employees
    Bullied teenagers
    Drug dealers
    Right wing nutcases
    Left wing nutcases
    Religious zealots

    And never the fault of automatic weapons designed to kill as many people in as short a time as possible.

    The yanks are simply delusional when it comes to their guns.

  8. #37
    @hibs.net private member Sergio sledge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Inverness
    Age
    33
    Posts
    2,849
    Apparently more people are killed in car accidents every year but no-one ever suggest banning cars... saw that one on facebook. No point in even debating with that logic!

  9. #38
    Coaching Staff NAE NOOKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Galashiels
    Posts
    8,931
    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    They won't consider a gun ban. These mass shootings are always the fault of:

    Criminals
    Blacks
    Psychos
    Islamists
    Aggrieved employees
    Bullied teenagers
    Drug dealers
    Right wing nutcases
    Left wing nutcases
    Religious zealots

    And never the fault of automatic weapons designed to kill as many people in as short a time as possible.

    The yanks are simply delusional when it comes to their guns.
    The gun lobby will say pretty well anything to defend their position:

    Guns don't kill people, people kill people ...... Aye, but people with automatic weapons can kill far more than people with a pistol or bolt action rifle can.

    People are safer if they are allowed to carry guns ..... where's the proof of that?

    Mass killers are more likely to be stopped if people are armed ..... millions of Americans are armed, when was the last time a mass shooter was stopped by an armed member of the public?

    When it comes to automatic weapons the truth is that the vast majority of them are just big kids, or worse seriously deluded fantasists who love shooting stuff up and playing at soldiers. They watch Mad Max or The Walking Dead and love to imagine themselves in that situation .... They go out to the desert or the woods and blast away at tin cans or wrecked vehicles and pretend to themselves that they are fighting for survival against the commies who have taken over the country and its up to them to protect the American way of life, and its sure as hell a lot more fun to do that with an AK47 or Uzi than with some poxy one bullet every 10 seconds lame assed wimps gun . In short they are adults playing children's games, but with real life weapons.

    In order to preserve their playground and their fantasy world they are prepared to perpetuate a situation where the real life nutters and psychologically damaged people have easy access to enough firepower to mow down their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives and children by the dozen before the police can stop them ...... and the thing that is far more horrific and abhorrent than any playground massacre is that these people, most of whom would consider themselves to be civilised and 'normal' seem to think that's a price worth paying.

    That's the truth.

  10. #39
    @hibs.net private member snooky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Down East
    Posts
    9,932
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    The gun lobby will say pretty well anything to defend their position:

    Guns don't kill people, people kill people ...... Aye, but people with automatic weapons can kill far more than people with a pistol or bolt action rifle can.

    People are safer if they are allowed to carry guns ..... where's the proof of that?

    Mass killers are more likely to be stopped if people are armed ..... millions of Americans are armed, when was the last time a mass shooter was stopped by an armed member of the public?

    When it comes to automatic weapons the truth is that the vast majority of them are just big kids, or worse seriously deluded fantasists who love shooting stuff up and playing at soldiers. They watch Mad Max or The Walking Dead and love to imagine themselves in that situation .... They go out to the desert or the woods and blast away at tin cans or wrecked vehicles and pretend to themselves that they are fighting for survival against the commies who have taken over the country and its up to them to protect the American way of life, and its sure as hell a lot more fun to do that with an AK47 or Uzi than with some poxy one bullet every 10 seconds lame assed wimps gun . In short they are adults playing children's games, but with real life weapons.

    In order to preserve their playground and their fantasy world they are prepared to perpetuate a situation where the real life nutters and psychologically damaged people have easy access to enough firepower to mow down their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives and children by the dozen before the police can stop them ...... and the thing that is far more horrific and abhorrent than any playground massacre is that these people, most of whom would consider themselves to be civilised and 'normal' seem to think that's a price worth paying.

    That's the truth.
    You're bang on the money there, NN
    (No pun intended)

  11. #40
    First Team Regular
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Posts
    831
    Theres a video going round clearly showing there is a shooter on 4th or 5th floor.

    Was there more than 1 shooter?

  12. #41
    First Team Regular
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Posts
    831
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan69 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Theres a video going round clearly showing there is a shooter on 4th or 5th floor.

    Was there more than 1 shooter?
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ab_1507020764

  13. #42
    @hibs.net private member easty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Age
    33
    Posts
    7,976
    Gamer IDs

    PSN ID: hibee_easty
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan69 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Theres a video going round clearly showing there is a shooter on 4th or 5th floor.

    Was there more than 1 shooter?
    Nah. I just googled that, and the video claiming there's someone on the 4th or 5th floor, absolutely does not clearly show anything. A few flashes of light. In Vegas. Could be anything.

  14. #43
    @hibs.net private member snooky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Down East
    Posts
    9,932
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Nah. I just googled that, and the video claiming there's someone on the 4th or 5th floor, absolutely does not clearly show anything. A few flashes of light. In Vegas. Could be anything.
    They could count the spent cartridges in the room of the assailant and collect as many bullets as they can from the car park.
    Obviously they wouldn't get them all but I suspect if there was a second gunman there would be a huge discrepancy in the "shells in room/bullets in carpark" ratio. Maybe not as easy as it sounds but it might be worth a go if proof was needed that there was only one gunman.

  15. #44
    First Team Regular
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Posts
    831
    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Nah. I just googled that, and the video claiming there's someone on the 4th or 5th floor, absolutely does not clearly show anything. A few flashes of light. In Vegas. Could be anything.
    It clearly DOES look like the flashes coming from a rifle being fired.

  16. #45
    @hibs.net private member Golden Fleece's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    between a brewery & distillery
    Posts
    11,265
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan69 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    It clearly DOES look like the flashes coming from a rifle being fired.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41471242

    no mention, no photographs, no eye witnesses, only thing present is speculation. I don't know what the light is, I have never witnessed gunfire, thank goodness, but it is a shaky video and could be light reflecting from somewhere else as the car is moving.
    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

  17. #46
    @hibs.net private member easty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Age
    33
    Posts
    7,976
    Gamer IDs

    PSN ID: hibee_easty
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan69 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    It clearly DOES look like the flashes coming from a rifle being fired.
    It doesn't "clearly" show anything...at all.

  18. #47
    @hibs.net private member Just Alf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    The 'Mains
    Posts
    2,758

    this thread has gone a bit

    outthere.jpg



    according to one of the comments under that video we've basically got to question EVERY news item as they ALL hide something from the public.
    "The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
    --Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst.

  19. #48
    @hibs.net private member
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    7,920
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan69 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    It clearly DOES look like the flashes coming from a rifle being fired.
    Could be anything...not sure if you were shown that in isolation you would be saying 'oh that's defiantly a rifle being fired'

    And are we to assume that this dude was just cruising by while some maniac was firing an assault rifle out of a window looking right at them?

    Anyway I'm sure there will be plenty of scrutiny on how this unfolded so no need for conspiracy theories regarding such a tragic event.

  20. #49
    Testimonial Due Future17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    "Galactidos!"
    Age
    33
    Posts
    4,958
    Quote Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Mass killers are more likely to be stopped if people are armed ..... millions of Americans are armed, when was the last time a mass shooter was stopped by an armed member of the public?
    I don't disagree with much of what you've said in your post but, in the interests of balance, this actually happened very recently:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us...rnd/index.html

  21. #50
    @hibs.net private member Just Alf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    The 'Mains
    Posts
    2,758
    being a bit at a loose end for a bit I've been looking again at some of the videos going around.

    I've come to the conclusion there's two possibilities.

    1) someone good at video editing has lifted and shifted the muzzle flashes to make it look like there's another shooter

    or

    2) there was indeed another shooter but they somehow managed to exactly copy the maniac on the other floor using the exact same firing cadences and pauses.

    I'll leave you guys to decide on whats the most likely.
    "The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
    --Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst.

  22. #51
    @hibs.net private member Golden Fleece's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    between a brewery & distillery
    Posts
    11,265
    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

  23. #52
    @hibs.net private member CapitalGreen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    3,122
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan69 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Theres a video going round clearly showing there is a shooter on 4th or 5th floor.

    Was there more than 1 shooter?
    It is so clear in fact that it is not clear whether it is the 4th or 5th floor.

    How can you be so certain that the light you see is a 2nd shooter when you can't even be certain what floor the light is emanating from?

  24. #53
    @hibs.net private member snooky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Down East
    Posts
    9,932
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    being a bit at a loose end for a bit I've been looking again at some of the videos going around.

    I've come to the conclusion there's two possibilities.

    1) someone good at video editing has lifted and shifted the muzzle flashes to make it look like there's another shooter

    or

    2) there was indeed another shooter but they somehow managed to exactly copy the maniac on the other floor using the exact same firing cadences and pauses.

    I'll leave you guys to decide on whats the most likely.
    People who do photo-editing to tragedy pictures, thereby muddying the waters, are the lowest of the low. Like the one of the guy on the WTC and the plane about to fly into it. FAKE and sick.
    Last edited by snooky; 03-10-2017 at 04:04 PM.

  25. #54
    @hibs.net private member Keekaboo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Heading home...
    Posts
    17,922
    Where's the worldwide outrage/sympathy/unity over this event that we've seen after attacks by Muslim Terrorists?

    There's a distinct lack of 'Je Suis Vegas' type movements, or world leaders rushing to offer their sympathy and support. No idiotic tweets from Trump giving rash comments and criticism (especially over the lack of gun controls a major contributor to this event)


    Is it really any less horrific because the attacker was a white american?



  26. #55
    @hibs.net private member snooky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Down East
    Posts
    9,932
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Where's the worldwide outrage/sympathy/unity over this event that we've seen after attacks by Muslim Terrorists?

    There's a distinct lack of 'Je Suis Vegas' type movements, or world leaders rushing to offer their sympathy and support. No idiotic tweets from Trump giving rash comments and criticism (especially over the lack of gun controls a major contributor to this event)


    Is it really any less horrific because the attacker was a white american?


    a-la the carnage in Oklahoma City in 1995.

  27. #56
    Private Members Prediction League Winner Hibrandenburg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Brandenburg
    Age
    51
    Posts
    8,892
    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Where's the worldwide outrage/sympathy/unity over this event that we've seen after attacks by Muslim Terrorists?

    There's a distinct lack of 'Je Suis Vegas' type movements, or world leaders rushing to offer their sympathy and support. No idiotic tweets from Trump giving rash comments and criticism (especially over the lack of gun controls a major contributor to this event)


    Is it really any less horrific because the attacker was a white american?


    Not my opinion and just playing devil's advocate, but maybe there's a sense of "we told you so" from the rest of the world? Maybe there's a sense of it's all a mess of your own making?

    I personally think that people have become so accustomed to mass shootings in the US that it's taken on a kind of normality and the inevitable debate regarding the ownership weapons in the aftermath will take its usual course ensuring the next mass shooting is just around the corner.

  28. #57
    First Team Regular
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Posts
    831
    [QUOTE=CapitalGreen;5184074]It is so clear in fact that it is not clear whether it is the 4th or 5th floor.

    You are right about the accuracy of the floor......but something was definitely happening on another floor apart from the 32nd also.

  29. #58
    @hibs.net private member Sergio sledge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Inverness
    Age
    33
    Posts
    2,849
    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Where's the worldwide outrage/sympathy/unity over this event that we've seen after attacks by Muslim Terrorists?

    There's a distinct lack of 'Je Suis Vegas' type movements, or world leaders rushing to offer their sympathy and support. No idiotic tweets from Trump giving rash comments and criticism (especially over the lack of gun controls a major contributor to this event)


    Is it really any less horrific because the attacker was a white american?


    https://theintercept.com/2017/10/02/...ephen-paddock/

  30. #59
    @hibs.net private member CropleyWasGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    19,423
    Quote Originally Posted by Keekaboo View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Where's the worldwide outrage/sympathy/unity over this event that we've seen after attacks by Muslim Terrorists?

    There's a distinct lack of 'Je Suis Vegas' type movements, or world leaders rushing to offer their sympathy and support. No idiotic tweets from Trump giving rash comments and criticism (especially over the lack of gun controls a major contributor to this event)


    Is it really any less horrific because the attacker was a white american?


    You spoke too soon.

    The Donald has called the guy "sick". This before there has been any assessment of his mental health.

    Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

  31. #60
    #dotnettopboiz Haymaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Chatham, NJ, USA
    Age
    32
    Posts
    8,015
    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    But where does it end? Fully automatic kalashnikovs? Missile launchers? Mini nukes? If the second amendment is interpreted that way to its natural conclusion any old redneck can own an ICBM with a nuclear warhead. So what makes Kim Jong Un any different? All my American friends and family are pro gun control so I can't make the argument but I'd love to get an answer to that question from the other side.
    Apparently "if you can afford it, you should be able to have it."

    I'm going to start drinking in a different pub.
    21.05.2016. I Was There.

    .net PM board "Biggest Slaver of the year 2014"

    Less talk, more gifs. :

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
hibs.net ©2012 All Rights Reserved