I really wish that the football pyramid would take a proper system with promotion and relegation. Seems like NASL is being killed off to favor USL, but I wonder if a pyramid system is in their plans with USL as a tier 2 as it is more than half a development league?
Any thoughts on MLS expansion favorites? Really hoping for a Phoenix Rising FC team in the MLS.
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23-09-2017 12:17 AM #1
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23-09-2017 03:06 AM #2
I believe that they recently turned down huge TV investment - billions of $ IIRC - as the condition would be that promotion and relegation had to happen.
So we won't be seeing that anytime soon!
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23-09-2017 04:50 AM #3
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Think the TV bid was not serious, but agreed doesn't look they want any part of it.
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Minnesota United is the other new franchise this season but the next team to join will be LAFC in 2018. LA will then have what might be called the Hollywood Derby.
I think Drogba might own part of the Pheonix team so that might help their cause but a Miami franchise owned by Beckham will probably join first.
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23-09-2017 04:16 PM #5
Standard with North American sports though isn't it. With things like the draft and such teams can even deliberately bomb in order to finish last and get the top pick. Not sure if that is a thing in MLS but certainly in other sports.
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24-09-2017 04:48 AM #6
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Drogba is a part owner. Miami is in, Sac, Cincy, San Antonio, Nashville, Phx strong contenders for next 4. Phx has the stadium plan, city size, and no other team nearby...but a crowded competition. For fun I'd say give 8-12+ NASL or USL teams MLS II status and play for a promotion spot.
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They should also take away the draft and allow teams to develop their own. USA football won't improve until the players are developed in a similar fashion to the rest of the world.
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24-09-2017 01:52 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Pheonix would be a nice away trip.
Inglewood Derby will be Rams vs Chargers.
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26-09-2017 02:45 AM #10
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I figure the only MLS will increase interest is by more matkets captured, which might need a 2+ tier system.
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Christian Pulisic had the right idea leaving to play at a better level outside his comfort zone and earn some real money.
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26-09-2017 05:46 PM #13
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Since there is no MLS team here, I barely follow it. It is as easier to watch to EPL on TV...or in my case watch Hibs TV.
At Phx Rising FC games I see numerous EPL shirts, several Bundesliga's, lots of Real and Barca, the occassional Italian or French, some Mexico, an assortment of others including 1 Scottish one (Me-Hibs), and maybe 1 or 2 MLS tops and that is is it. Without a MLS club in town it is hard to generate enthusiasm, like you say TV doesn't replace a game in the stadium.
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26-09-2017 06:07 PM #14
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The US team is having problems for sure and I can't see a quick fix. Some of my mates here are gutted over recent performances. Maybe you can make some suggestions to Pam Perkins, an English lady who is the Manager of Special Projects at US Soccer Federation. She is really cool and might be interesting to know on a professional level. If you can't find her contact info at ussoccer.com I can pm you her email.
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On developing US talent I don't think USSF can change all that much - the game is too expensive, the college system is flawed and the club's can't sign players to youth contracts so will lose any exceptional talent to Europe for free so there's little incentive for clubs to develop their own.
And dont get me started on NYCFC playing in that ****hole in the Bronx...
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27-09-2017 04:09 AM #18
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Interesting! I don't foresee youth contracts in the US, but are the seeds of an academy present in the MLS development squads(Sounders 2, Timbers 2...) ? I have seen a couple of them play this year.
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But the mls clubs can't sign players to youth contracts because then they're ineligible to play at college if they fail to make the grade - why would a player throw that chance away?
However for the development of US talent that system doesn't work!
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27-09-2017 11:24 PM #26
How do you envision promotion and relegation working when the league owns all of the teams? The teams don't exist at all in a legal sense. You could do a MLS II, but there is no way a pyramid could work in practice.
You are also incorrectly assuming that USL teams want to be promoted to the MLS.
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27-09-2017 11:45 PM #27
They have given out large cards with yellow on one side and red on the other. Perhaps to assist the referee when Jones makes a tackle.
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EDIT: To clarify my position as it has kind of gotten lost: I currently do not think the system to develop US talent is any good. In part due to the MLS structure and set up and partly the college scholarship issue.
I'd like to see the MLS/US soccer have a pyramid system but the way it's set up obviously stops that anyway.Last edited by Haymaker; 28-09-2017 at 01:21 AM.
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28-09-2017 03:38 AM #29
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Pyramid works when MLS expands enough to start a second division, the demand seems to be there. USL can be a blended development league with small independent clubs.
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06-10-2017 08:53 PM #30
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Read that 2 expansion bids will be announced December 19-20. Nashille seems to be producing fake news that they have been selected, keeping themselves in spotlight, while Sacramento started their stadium construction. Cincy continues to promote themself as well. Seem crazy competitive... Still think Phoenix has the population and lack of a team nearby, and supposed stadium plan, that keep them in competition.
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