Are you happy with Hibs' statement on an EBT enquiry?

[blackpoolhibs]

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What do you think you want out of the enquiry then that is important enough to justify more time and expense?

I'd just like the truth, and after that i'd like time to consider the options?

[McIntosh]

Totally outrageous. Unanimous decision!!! What did our representatives vote? If they voted for this they should resign.

[Drewster]

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Hibs are just confirming the point I've been making the last few days. The legal reviews have been done, nothing more can be done on that front and so you aren't growing to get any further justice regardless of what you do from here.

Also agree that now is time to devote energy to moving on. 3 points on Saturday much more important to most fans.

The SFA have at best, been asleep on the job.......and at worse been totally corrupt, and complicit in the *******isation of our National sport for years!!

For years we have watched Clubs (Rangers, Hearts, Livingston, Gretna, etc.) involved in financial doping win titles, and then go into administration within 12 months - how can this be tolerated and worse celebrated?

For years the SFA and the SPFL has worked to protect the interest of the 2 largest Clubs when the fans are desperate for expanded leagues?

For years the SFA have run down our game, they are unaccountable, and lack leadership.

As fans of Hibs FC and Scottish Football we cannot accept this stance by our Club..............surely!!?

[Iain G]

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Totally outrageous. Unanimous decision!!! What did our representatives vote? If they voted for this they should resign.

Why should they resign?!

[Golden Bear]

The trouble with a poll like this is that those fans who feel really strongly on the issue are far more likely to click their mouse and vote than those who fall into the "couldn't care a monkey's category". The end result may therefore not be truly representative of either the Hibs Net community or the Hibernian support as a whole.

[Andy74]

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The SFA have at best, been asleep on the job.......and at worse been totally corrupt, and complicit in the *******isation of our National sport for years!!

For years we have watched Clubs (Rangers, Hearts, Livingston, Gretna, etc.) involved in financial doping win titles, and then go into administration within 12 months - how can this be tolerated and worse celebrated?

For years the SFA and the SPFL has worked to protect the interest of the 2 largest Clubs when the fans are desperate for expanded leagues?

For years the SFA have run down our game, they are unaccountable, and lack leadership.

As fans of Hibs FC and Scottish Football we cannot accept this stance by our Club..............surely!!?

That's a lot of vague notions. What specifically would an enquiry address?

[Ozyhibby]

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Why should they resign?!

Because this is the biggest issue the club have been dealing with at board level and they have refused to engage with the fans on the issue. Can't think of a clearer cut case for resigning than that.


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[surreyhibbie]

didn't really expect anything to happen.

still pissed off though.

[Andy74]

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Because this is the biggest issue the club have been dealing with at board level and they have refused to engage with the fans on the issue. Can't think of a clearer cut case for resigning than that.


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You mean they just didn't agree with you?

[Ozyhibby]

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You mean they just didn't agree with you?

No, I said they did not engage with the fans. If they had done that and then came to a different view then fair enough but to just blank us in the way they did is a resigning offence. They won't though. It's too much fun hanging out with the movers and shakers.


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[Peevemor]

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Because this is the biggest issue the club have been dealing with at board level and they have refused to engage with the fans on the issue. Can't think of a clearer cut case for resigning than that.


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Nonsense. We don't know what was said during board meetings. Maybe they put across the supporters' points of view very well.

It's also possible (likely?) that copies of any legal studies/reports were to hand. If lawyers say that there's no point in proceeding then I'd believe them, especially given that they'd be the only ones to benefit financially win or lose (a Rangers appeal against official sanctions would result in thousands of billable hours on both sides).

As for the decision being unanimous, I for one want want board members, fans' reps or not, to vote with their heads and not their hearts.

[Jones28]

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For Hibs, that's exactly what we have done. We stood shoulder to shoulder with the SFA and Rangers.
The campaign for an enquiry will go on and will succeed. It's just a great pity that our club will be on the side of corruption and cover up.


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We did nothing of the kind. It was the view of the Hibs board that a further enquiry would be fruitless. The SFA have said all documentation will be realeased if requested and anyone can sift through to find what they want.

Do you really think people like Leanne Dempster and Rod Petrie - the man who coined the "sporting integrity" phrase - would want to stand idly by if there was anything they could do that they felt would have an outcome?

[Ozyhibby]

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Nonsense. We don't know what was said during board meetings. Maybe they put across the supporters' points of view very well.

It's also possible (likely?) that copies of any legal studies/reports were to hand. If lawyers say that there's no point in proceeding then I'd believe them, especially given that they'd be the only ones to benefit financially win or lose (a Rangers appeal against official sanctions would result in thousands of billable hours on both sides).

As for the decision being unanimous, I for one want want board members, fans' reps or not, to vote with their heads and not their hearts.

It's not the way they voted that's the problem, it's the failure to consult the people they claim to represent.


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[Peevemor]

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It's not the way they voted that's the problem, it's the failure to consult the people they claim to represent.


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Do you think they weren't aware of supporter feeling?

When the reps are appointed, people should be voting for those you trust to represent you, not somebody that comes on here (for example) evrey 5 minutes asking what they should do.

[Glesgahibby]

I feel uncomfortable with the " legal "and "financial" terminology being used to argue that there is no case/appetite for a review by the SFA.
The LNS report and the 5 way agreement"fans no nothing about"came after the discovery of side letters.
The side letters prove players where ineligible and as such the SFA had/have the power to enforce there own rules regarding this matter.
The simple question to the SFA is why couldn't/can't you enforce your own rules/punishment for legal reasons.
my guess is the 5 way agreement would be laughed out of court,if this is the mechanism used to promise no more sanctions on rangers?
I don't agree with the boards statement.

[Arch Stanton]

So we want an enquiry - why? Getting an enquiry is no kind of result that I can see.

Just the start of another 1300+ page thread like the Rangers meltdown one.

And the final outcome? Will there be an admission of incompetence by the SFA or some kind of unenforceable punishment meted on old Rangers? Get real.

Why this forum seems so fully focussed on this issue beats me - and people not attending on Sat? Some people seem to be more anti-Rangers than they are pro-Hibs.

[Basildon Hibs]

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We did nothing of the kind. It was the view of the Hibs board that a further enquiry would be fruitless. The SFA have said all documentation will be realeased if requested and anyone can sift through to find what they want.

Do you really think people like Leanne Dempster and Rod Petrie - the man who coined the "sporting integrity" phrase - would want to stand idly by if there was anything they could do that they felt would have an outcome?

'The SFA have said all documentation will be realeased if requested and anyone can sift through to find what they want.'

Oh ma sides😂. Those shredding machines at the GFA will have been used more than Bernie Madoff's.

[snooky]

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'The SFA have said all documentation will be realeased if requested and anyone can sift through to find what they want.'

Oh ma sides😂. Those shredding machines at the GFA will have been used more than Bernie Madoff's.

I thought Regan said "if all parties agreed" and surely that includes RFC/TRFC so what he is saying is "there's absolutely no chance".

[Jones28]

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'The SFA have said all documentation will be realeased if requested and anyone can sift through to find what they want.'

Oh ma sides😂. Those shredding machines at the GFA will have been used more than Bernie Madoff's.

Ok then, you stay in the paranoid Celtic fan camp, I'm going to be backing the team on Saturday and looking forward.

[Jones28]

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I thought Regan said "if all parties agreed" and surely that includes RFC/TRFC so what he is saying is "there's absolutely no chance".

If that's the case I mustn't have heard that, that's me theory scuppered then I suppose!

[Speedway]

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How about following their customers' wishes?

Bad idea when the customers are knobs.

[Hibernia&Alba]

**** no, I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

[Basildon Hibs]

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Ok then, you stay in the paranoid Celtic fan camp, I'm going to be backing the team on Saturday and looking forward.

So, you actually agree with what comes out of their mouths...?

[Diclonius]

I'm past caring. Even if there is an enquiry, it'll be the usual "nothing to see here" cover up nonsense, and everyone's time will be wasted. The SFA grit their teeth and demoted Rangers to the Third Division - they're not going to go any further than that. It's a sideshow and now Hibs are back in the top league with a decent team I can think of better things to be concerned about.

[Jones28]

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So, you actually agree with what comes out of their mouths...?

I don't give a flying **** anymore tbh

[neil7908]

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Really? Nothing to do with Celtic just being way better than the rest?

If it is rigged now, why don't Rangers win every game?

Commemts like this do absolutely nothing for your argument. Let us know how you get on asking for a refund.

I was clearly being facetious - I'm not actually expecting any money back and won't be asking for it.

Our club have clearly been affected by this and disadvantaged. Football is now an incredibly rich and powerful business but the core of it is competition. That's why the English Premier League makes crazy money from TV.

Scotland hasn't been competitive or fair for many years, predating these issues. Dodgy decisions by refs, ignoring sectarian chanting etc.

Now things have been dragged into the open and had a light shone on them. And our response is to shrug our shoulders and 'move on'.

Move onto what? Why did this happen? Who allowed it and why won't it happen again?

Put game is getting weaker and weaker. This move is only a going to male things worse, not better.

It won't affect my attendance at Easter Road but the club have seriously upset a chunk of fans. That can't be a good thing.

[sadtom]

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I'm past caring. Even if there is an enquiry, it'll be the usual "nothing to see here" cover up nonsense, and everyone's time will be wasted. The SFA grit their teeth and demoted Rangers to the Third Division - they're not going to go any further than that. It's a sideshow and now Hibs are back in the top league with a decent team I can think of better things to be concerned about.

I think this is indicative of this whole sorry sh**storm.
The constant lies and misinformation that the authorities have allowed to be spouted so often they are now passed as facts.

The point is, and its a crucial one, rankgers were NOT demoted to the bottom tier. They ceased to exist, started again and were given a helping hand INTO the bottom tier. Completely at odds with the ruling bodies own guidelines and rules, a blind eye was turned to HELP newco f.c. as they did not fit the criteria, it was not to punish oldco f.c.
As this has never been forcefully argued by the authorities it has allowed this lie to become passed of as fact.

I guess they have always been fearful of riling the nutters connected with sevco and that decisions have been made with their personal safety as paramount.
A deeper concern is that they are culpable, including RP and are concerned their collusion and compliance will be outed.
Its a poor show from Hibs.

[Thecat23]

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I think this is indicative of this whole sorry sh**storm.
The constant lies and misinformation that the authorities have allowed to be spouted so often they are now passed as facts.

The point is, and its a crucial one, rankgers were NOT demoted to the bottom tier. They ceased to exist, started again and were given a helping hand INTO the bottom tier. Completely at odds with the ruling bodies own guidelines and rules, a blind eye was turned to HELP newco f.c. as they did not fit the criteria, it was not to punish oldco f.c.
As this has never been forcefully argued by the authorities it has allowed this lie to become passed of as fact.

I guess they have always been fearful of riling the nutters connected with sevco and that decisions have been made with their personal safety as paramount.
A deeper concern is that they are culpable, including RP and are concerned their collusion and compliance will be outed.
Its a poor show from Hibs.

Brilliant post. Those are real facts, yet some still won't except it.

[Jones28]

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I think this is indicative of this whole sorry sh**storm.
The constant lies and misinformation that the authorities have allowed to be spouted so often they are now passed as facts.

The point is, and its a crucial one, rankgers were NOT demoted to the bottom tier. They ceased to exist, started again and were given a helping hand INTO the bottom tier. Completely at odds with the ruling bodies own guidelines and rules, a blind eye was turned to HELP newco f.c. as they did not fit the criteria, it was not to punish oldco f.c.
As this has never been forcefully argued by the authorities it has allowed this lie to become passed of as fact.

I guess they have always been fearful of riling the nutters connected with sevco and that decisions have been made with their personal safety as paramount.
A deeper concern is that they are culpable, including RP and are concerned their collusion and compliance will be outed.
Its a poor show from Hibs.

Good post

[Arch Stanton]

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I think this is indicative of this whole sorry sh**storm.
The constant lies and misinformation that the authorities have allowed to be spouted so often they are now passed as facts.

The point is, and its a crucial one, rankgers were NOT demoted to the bottom tier. They ceased to exist, started again and were given a helping hand INTO the bottom tier. Completely at odds with the ruling bodies own guidelines and rules, a blind eye was turned to HELP newco f.c. as they did not fit the criteria, it was not to punish oldco f.c.
As this has never been forcefully argued by the authorities it has allowed this lie to become passed of as fact.

I guess they have always been fearful of riling the nutters connected with sevco and that decisions have been made with their personal safety as paramount.
A deeper concern is that they are culpable, including RP and are concerned their collusion and compliance will be outed.
Its a poor show from Hibs.

So, they are culpable of turning a blind eye to their own rules regarding the recruitment of newco to the bottom tier?

In other words, that is the worrst that an enquiry could conclude?

And you still want an enquiry?

Why?