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View Poll Results: Are you happy with Hibs' statement on an EBT enquiry?
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12-09-2017 04:02 PM #91
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12-09-2017 07:36 PM #94
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12-09-2017 07:46 PM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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More folk should just mute you, you tedious, boring troll.
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There is nothing stopping a judicial review of the SFA or their decisions.
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12-09-2017 08:20 PM #102
I am not sure what people expect to gain from anything more on this.
OK, I hate Rangers as much as the next man. The broke the rules on many fronts and as a result ceased to exist. Our authorities rightly didnt allow them to reform and retain their place but bent the rules to allow them to start in the 4th tier. Many have issues with this, but I dont. The new club though are a new club. They just happen to have the same supporters and infrastructure. However for all their bold claims, they have no honours other than those won since they re-formed.
Yes what Rangers did was wrong, but the club that cheated no longer exist and so whats the point of an enquiry. I dont believe the SFA or SPFL knew anything of what was going on at the time.
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12-09-2017 08:37 PM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Campbell Ogilvie was SFA Vice President while getting paid by a ******g ebt!
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12-09-2017 08:41 PM #113
While I agree sevco in any other normal set up would lose titles but this is Scotland with its unique sectarian issues and a governing body run for the two so called big clubs. Milne at Aberdeen has said the same as Ld and only celtic are wanting to go for the tItles being stripped. Of course the tItles should be stripped but we all know it ain't gonna happen and like the charities hertz bumped justice isn't gonna happen. Better to move on but point out at every opportunity that the sevco titles are tainted as we're the two cups hertz won using millions they never had. They are both huge embarrassments to Scottish football and always will be.
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That's incredible.
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12-09-2017 10:37 PM #117
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That's why we need an enquiry into the enquiry!
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That was merely to show that the authorities and their acolytes in the press could have shot down the myth that derhun were 'punished' every time the 'demoted' nonsense was spouted. They chose not to. This allowed the 'demoted' myth to gain currency, to be constantly repeated until such time it became the common byline to accompany newco's participation in the bottom tier. This was one of the main factors in derhun creating a 'victim' complex around their second coming. It allowed them to view themselves as 'persecuted' to justify their misplaced, beetroot faced (blue nosed) rage against everyone who stood up to them. When in fact their crimson complexion, should have been attributed to feelings of shame and embarrassment for cheating their way to success and robbing every paying punter in Scottish football.
That one simple option, 'to refute the 'demoted tag' (that seemed to accompany any comment on the subject, in the msm in particular) from the outset was not taken up.
The truth is they actually joined in with the fallacy that oldco were demoted. This ultimately contributed to derhun being able to establish a self justified, victim, seige mentality, that saw them spit venom and lash out threats of retribution, boycotts and revenge with impunity. This came from every random hunmonkey who had a mic shoved in their face, right up to king-of-derhun, Wattie Smith.
Instead of showing contrition and regret, while offering apology and begging for forgiveness, after receiving assistance NOT punishment from the Scottish football community.
They instead reverted to type and felt (self)justified in presenting the epitome of the cartoon hun. Pompous, swaggering, self-righteous, defiant, angry-faced wee bigots. With a hugely over inflated opinion of their place in the world never mind Scottish football.
Why did those individuals in positions of power within Scottish football not chose to quash the myth of 'demotion and punishment'?
I would guess there are several reasons.
As i suggested earlier. I reckon they were probably sh*t-scared for their own safety. Lets face it, derhun have plenty previous when it comes to intimidation and violence.
They were most likely being 'leant on' by people in positions of power in Scottish/British society, both inside and outside the footballing world.
I think they overestimated the financial importance of oldco to Scottish football. It certainly became obvious that the game could survive and even flourish without the odious stench of their boorish bigotry.
It dont think it can be discounted that their may also have been more corrupt or sinister reasons during the whole 5 year process, from possible financial impropriety, to mutually beneficial arrangements.
I think its more than likely that accusations of mismanagement and incompetence have validity.
Whatever the case. This is why i want a full independent, investigation of the whole sorry, shambolic affair.
To hold the officials and the organisations to account. If they have nothing to hide then i would think they would welcome the opportunity to clear themselves and remove the dark cloud that hangs over the game.
And yes, i absolutely believe that the titles from the EBT years should be removed from the dead club's record. You dont reward theft by allowing the thief to retain their ill-gotten gains.
If it takes an independent revue to establish this then so-be-it.
For the record i believe oldco's 'crimes' date well before the EBT years. Back to the mid/late 80's and the beginning of Murray's tenure. Though i dont believe it would be correct to strip the titles back that far.
What has always angered me most is the introduction of Murray into Scottish football signaled the 'boom and bust' that followed.
The braggadocios claim that 'for every £5 celtc spent, he'd spend £10. The reckless spending (£12 million on T A Flo - still gives me a chuckle) and the running up of debts on the 'never never'. Would be the thing that put the whole of Scottish football in peril.
Oldco going bust was the pimple popping but the pus had been building up for years and had infected all around it.
Of course all individual club are responsible for their own decisions but the reality is that oldco's scattercash approach pretty much forced the hands of all the other clubs into overspending (in their own smaller pro-rata scales) and living outwith their means. This led several clubs to the brink, including our own.
I think it is particularly pertinent to us. We saw our 'golden generation' sold to furnish our debts and keep the wolf from the door. At a time when we could have been challenging a much weaker oldco who should have been less financially able to entice our players away.
They didnt just rob titles...they stole our potential too. That's what really grates.
As far as i'm concerned there is no question that the gung-ho financial abandonment shown by oldco over the last 25 years of their history was what ultimately led to the serious malaise that engulfed the whole of Scottish football.
The unfair sporting advantage gained during the EBT years is without question. The fact that it was illegal means that there is a rock solid case for those titles to be removed.
If there is any justice that comes from all this then, despite the noisy protestations (see what i did there ), made by the followers of the tribute act, the posthumous record of their parent club should rightly be partially diminished and a further part tainted and recalled by them in hushed tones.Last edited by sadtom; 13-09-2017 at 01:17 AM.
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13-09-2017 05:33 AM #119
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