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[JeMeSouviens]

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I agree, just a shame when it goes to sly digs or being smug when there really is no need! If folk don't care fine ignore it. Those who do care maybe can look at other avenues to see if more action can be taken.

One thing I will say, I'd never stop going to ER on a sat to support them, I don't blame the teams for this so I'd hoped others would back the boys and show the board up in other ways. So many good things have gone on the past 3 years and this really has been a massive blow to a lot of fans who put their trust into the Hibs board again.

I suspect the board are taking a calculated gamble that supporter loyalty, residual feelgood and it being 6 months+ until ST renewal will let them get away this stance. And they're probably right.

[jacomo]

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In my day job I'm no stranger to the law and so it is not naïve, it is realistic.

A senior QC has given an opinion on the rules in place at the time and the limit of the law in re-opening judgements that have already been made.

It is pretty conclusive as far as these things go.

If you consider that Celtic would have quite deep pockets and have motivation - they haven't been able to challenge this aspect and their statement notes that they aren't looking to pursue this.

That's not the point I was making.

The legal position does indeed look quite tricky in terms of revising previous judgements.

But I suspect this is the legal advice they wanted.

[Firestarter]

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Ironic that you mention insults quoting someone calling some posters appeasement apologists.

As a collective group and not individual. There's a massive difference but at the same sorry for any offence. It's a heated topic.

[Golden Bear]

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Are we now at the stage of insinuating that a group of fans don't have common sense because they don't think the same way?

The hypocrisy and hilarity of that is people either didn't have common sense or were aware of the cheating Rangers did when it was in full flow. We are talking about more than EBT and Rangers as far as I'm concerned. This was a matter for the fans of Scottish Football to decide and it seems no club has consulted with the fans.

Its maybe just my lack of common sense but if this them and us approach to key aspects of Scottish Football continues then the lifeblood of Scottish Football will dwindle again - the fans that is. Scottish Football takes a boom bust approach to everything, everything is on the rise so all clubs are spending more. A few dreary seasons of Old Firm domination and I can assure you we'll be back at square one with cheating and lack of competition at the top. Let's just move on and look to that fairer, brighter future though!

Moving towards fan ownership where HSL say nothing unless they want money, Hibs hold off on a statement that could dwindle ST sales, our fan representatives say nothing and no fans were consulted on the stance the club should take. I'm finding it a real struggle where fan ownership comes in? I've denied it for a long time but I can see where the Ponzi Scheme stuff came from. Fans will always be dealt with at an arms length while mismanagement is rife within Scottish Football.

Again my common sense is a bit poor.

I'd be 100% behind either outcome if Hibs fans voted with the board on this matter. They did not get a chance and that's what I'm annoyed at. We were, in my eyes, purposely excluded.

Jeez, I thought the excellent post I replied to was full of common sense which I thoroughly agreed with. No more, no less. Anyway I'm out of Net for a while, I can't be bothered with the bickering with fellow fans.

[snooky]

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Public flogging of Craig Thomson

Leigh to be forced back to ER

The outing of Marinello59 as the club's mole on Hibs.net

Ironcally it's an anagram of Nail Moler

[Johnny Clash]

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Well, apart from that I mentioned it, aye!

Ah - so you did. Nice one.

I shouldn't post when about to jump off a bus - no good at speed reading!

[blackpoolhibs]

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That's not the point I was making.

The legal position does indeed look quite tricky in terms of revising previous judgements.

But I suspect this is the legal advice they wanted.

As someone else said yesterday, imagine if the Hillsborough families had not stuck to their guns, and just accepted what was being said by the authorities?

[Hibeewilly]

Lets go and fnuck Motherwell on Saturday folks - I'm fed up of this *****!! Support the players and Neil FFS. GGTTH

[kaimendhibs]

If the club had expressed disappointment that there appeared to be no way forward and condemn the cheating it may have been easier to swallow but they didnt and it isnt. Sporting integrity is beyond purchase my hoop.

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[Is It On....]

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See here, not sure getting the advice of senior QC to see if it can be challenged is sweeping under the carpet?

"Gerry Moynihan Q.C. has confirmed that:- (i) the breaches of Scottish FA and SPL Rules and Regulations arising from the failure of Rangers OldCo to make the required notifications in relation to registrations and contract disclosure requirements are now closed and cannot be re-opened by the SPFL nor can the Commission or a new Commission now impose further or different sanctions. The SPFL has no power in law to re-open these issues and the Commission has no power in law, assuming it wished to do so, to modify or supplement the sanction previously imposed"

Read more at https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl...dUwlK7LyQKg.99

I thought that when a club incorrectly registered a player then the result was forfeited. I really don't understand how systematic failure to correctly register players can just mean a "wee slap on the wrists". Is there no court of appeal to deal with this in light of the new information not available to Nimmo-Smith, namely that it has now been deemed that the part of the contract that was never registered was also illegal? Makes you wonder what would have happened if Turnbull Hutton from Raith Rovers hadn't made a stand for sporting integrity at the time.

[Leith Mo]

I fully understand the need for maintaining and accepting confidentiality re matters discussed at Board level if elected to fulfil the role - for what it's worth I stood 1st time around and lost. Frank and Tracy should have ultimatelty walked away which would have sent a clear signal. I can remember many Cabinet Ministers refusing to accept collective Cabinet responsibility and walking away (Michael Heseltine & Westland for example). However, my personal view is shared by the majority that I have spoken to - this is not the outcome supported. Effectively the Board have done a u-turn & ignored Rod Petrie's much publicised initial mantra of "sporting integrity" and run away from the opportunity to have an impartial independent investigation into what exactly went on at the highest levels of governance within our game. I'm disappointed in our Board and once again having to defend our fans/supporters for actions beyond our control.
The recent Craig Whyte case has apparently aroused the governing body to "investigate the granting of the UEFA licence" as it directly contradicted evidence given to the "independent" LNS judgement and they have at least said it needs to be looked into. This is about much more than "stripping titles" it is about the fundamental principles of truth and justice (the latter which sadly I feel will never be served due to the reluctance to punish those who have cheated).

[Cropley10]

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See here, not sure getting the advice of senior QC to see if it can be challenged is sweeping under the carpet?

"Gerry Moynihan Q.C. has confirmed that:- (i) the breaches of Scottish FA and SPL Rules and Regulations arising from the failure of Rangers OldCo to make the required notifications in relation to registrations and contract disclosure requirements are now closed and cannot be re-opened by the SPFL nor can the Commission or a new Commission now impose further or different sanctions. The SPFL has no power in law to re-open these issues and the Commission has no power in law, assuming it wished to do so, to modify or supplement the sanction previously imposed"

Read more at https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl...dUwlK7LyQKg.99

So the SFA pay a QC to give them the answer they're looking for and BINGO he delivers EXACTLY what they paid for.

Just like dear old Nimmo Smith did.

As I keep saying, this is nothing to do with Law, it has all the legal status of a decision made at my local golf club. There's nothing to inhibit a Judicial Review.

In in case it's escaped your attention the SFA don't want any inspection as it will uncover what a grubby, shabby, little organisation they actually are.

[Cropley10]

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You are being very naive with this comment.

The bigger the 'thing' you need to sweep under the carpet, the bigger the names you hire to make it happen.

How anyone can read the LNS Commission conclusion and still have absolute faith in the probity of the legal system is beyond me.

Please don't feed the troll Jacomo

[McD]

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I could accept peoples disagreement if I knew why. A lot of people who agree with your view say that it's in the best interests of our club, but fail to state how that actually is. I don't see how this is good for our club at all. It's just a return of more of the same. More of the same has never been good for our club. We have suffered in the past as a result of this and we will continue to suffer well into the future, as absolutely nothing has changed.

If i'm wrong, then please explain why you think i'm wrong and how this is actually a good thing for our club. Because I just don't see how it is.

Why is anyone beholden to answer to you? Why should they have to answer to you, or explain to you? People are allowed to hold their opinions and thoughts and feelings without your approval, and guess what, theirs are as valid as yours.

You go on thread after thread, shouting people down and belittling anything that isn't in agreement with with your opinion (and conveniently ignoring anyone who asks you questions or offers alternatives to your input, whilst demanding explanations from others). Enjoy the pedestal you've put yourself on

[Ozyhibby]

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All prizes are bought and paid for by hibs.net, they're not gifts from the club.

The two conspiracy theorists are just showing themselves up to be total idiots who are looking for something to lash out at because they haven't got what they want.

Even the admins are at it with the name calling. Just call them a yam, ban them, change their profile to pink and be done with it.

[jacomo]

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Please don't feed the troll Jacomo

Andy74 is not a troll he just likes playing the contrarian.

[Thecat23]

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Andy74 is not a troll he just likes playing the contrarian.

Correct.

[Allez Hibs]

F*** off Hibs. Every club should poll their season ticket holders to vote on what the fans want, not whats in the blazers best interests. This is an opportunity to shape the game for future generations and it it will no doubt be a lost opportunity. The game is finished in Scotland if clubs take the same view as Hibs.

[scoopyboy]

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F*** off Hibs. Every club should poll their season ticket holders to vote on what the fans want, not whats in the blazers best interests. This is an opportunity to shape the game for future generations and it it will no doubt be a lost opportunity. The game is finished in Scotland if clubs take the same view as Hibs.

I don't like the clubs decision either but the explanation has been given that basically although Hibs don't agree with what went on they see no mileage in going into it deeper as it would be to no avail. Therefore they are spending their time and energy on Hibs.

Hibs biggest mistake in this is making the bloody announcement, they should have just kept quiet like virtually every club other than Celtic.

[High-On-Hibs]

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Why is anyone beholden to answer to you? Why should they have to answer to you, or explain to you? People are allowed to hold their opinions and thoughts and feelings without your approval, and guess what, theirs are as valid as yours.

You go on thread after thread, shouting people down and belittling anything that isn't in agreement with with your opinion (and conveniently ignoring anyone who asks you questions or offers alternatives to your input, whilst demanding explanations from others). Enjoy the pedestal you've put yourself on

Of course people don't have to back up their opinions to anyone. But it doesn't exactly do their own opinions any favours when they're trying to push theirs on to others.

I've explained why I think this is bad for our club, so my opinion (much as you might not like it) carries more credibility.

[HNA7]

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Even the admins are at it with the name calling. Just call them a yam, ban them, change their profile to pink and be done with it.

If you're going to continue making up stories about the people who run this site, as was your initial reaction, that's exactly what's going to happen.

[lapsedhibee]

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If you're going to continue making up stories about the people who run this site, as was your initial reaction, that's exactly what's going to happen.

I didn't take Ozyhibby's previous remarks about suspiciously pro-Hibs-board-statement activity on the forum to be any sort of accusation against the admin pricks.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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I don't like the clubs decision either but the explanation has been given that basically although Hibs don't agree with what went on they see no mileage in going into it deeper as it would be to no avail. Therefore they are spending their time and energy on Hibs.

Hibs biggest mistake in this is making the bloody announcement, they should have just kept quiet like virtually every club other than Celtic.

Agree with this.

[Allez Hibs]

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I don't like the clubs decision either but the explanation has been given that basically although Hibs don't agree with what went on they see no mileage in going into it deeper as it would be to no avail. Therefore they are spending their time and energy on Hibs.

Hibs biggest mistake in this is making the bloody announcement, they should have just kept quiet like virtually every club other than Celtic.

I agree that if Hibs were gonna say what they said they should have said nothing at all. What is clear though is the statement doesn't represent what the fans want and that could be a problem. I want Hibs to be fighting for what's right, and everyone knows that's not what the statement says. It's the most dissapointed I've been with the club in a very long time, they have simply bottled it for me. I want sporting integrity!

[Ozyhibby]

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If you're going to continue making up stories about the people who run this site, as was your initial reaction, that's exactly what's going to happen.

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[HNA7]

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Go on, keep poking the admins with a stick.

[jacomo]

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Which is at best tiresome and at worst pathetic.

Harsh.

I don't know Andy74 IRL and have had disagreements with him on here.

But nothing wrong with being a contrarian or playing devils advocate (I do the same myself).

He will challenge other posters and ask them to back up their opinions. Much better than group think and no diversity of opinion.

[High-On-Hibs]

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Harsh.

I don't know Andy74 IRL and have had disagreements with him on here.

But nothing wrong with being a contrarian or playing devils advocate (I do the same myself).

He will challenge other posters and ask them to back up their opinions. Much better than group think and no diversity of opinion.

I agree. However, he is quite often on the side of opinions of people who feel they don't have to back up their opinions to anyone. I've asked people why they think this outcome is good for Hibs and haven't had one response explaining why they think that it is. It's all "shut up and move on".

[Ozyhibby]

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Go on, keep poking the admins with a stick.

What do you want from me? What stories have I made up about the people running this site? Why are you being so aggressive?


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[High-On-Hibs]

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What do you want from me? What stories have I made up about the people running this site? Why are you being so aggressive?


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It's really not worth it mate. You haven't broken any rules, but they will still threaten to ban you if you get a little too close to the bone. If they had nothing to hide, then they'd have nothing to worry about and no reason to threaten you with a ban.