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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmc View Post
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    Panic over. Craig Levein has just appointed himself as new Scottish labour leader :)
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    I like her.

    It's a sorry indictment of modern society that being "nice" is considered to be a negative feature of a politician.

    I think she's thoughtful, reflective, caring and a decent human being.

    I happen to disagree with various political beliefs she holds but there you go.

    We have an awful culture in politics and life in general in that the more ruthless an utter ******* you are, the more respect you get and the higher you seem to be able to climb.

    She was unlucky to be a Unionist (?????????) Centre Left politician in Scotland at a time when that wasn't really a way to get anywhere in the political world. She picked up a poisoned chalice and struggled to do an impossible job.

    I will welcome her move over to the good guys when she has decided that the time is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty Boop View Post
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    Well I'm one of the Momentum lot, and I'm lovely. (nothing like blowing your ain trumpet)
    I dont doubt it betty!

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    Never fails to disappoint me that in our personal lives we can respect friends / fellow Hibbies regardless of their political views yet be so intolerant and disparaging of politicians whom we don't know personally and who represents another party to the one we support.

    I'm one of Labour's growing pro Home Rule element who has never regarded Scottish Labour as remotely Unionist. As an independence supporter who is not a nationalist I find much in Kezia to admire. No1 is her taste in football teams . Another is she is a good speaker on many subjects. She has conviction. She is a socialist if her belief systems are based more upon political theory and values than from a working class background or industrial experience.

    She also has a private personal life which was revealed in the press against her prior wishes. In 2017 she fell in love with a bright, talented, beautiful MSP in Jenny Gilruth. I'm not convinced that a political old boy like Jeremy Corbyn would view a cross-party relationship as appropriate for a Scottish Labour leader and faced with the choice of love or a leadership role it may be that she has decided to put her relationship first. Conjecture I know but based upon some inside knowledge from within Labour party circles that the public announcement of their relationship raised some concerns over her judgement. It's certainly unusual for high profile politicians to cross party lines for love.

    I'm not sure we can expect either to be switching to their opposing parties any time soon but I hope to start seeing Jenny at Easter Road on a regular basis. GGTTH!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIP View Post
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    Never fails to disappoint me that in our personal lives we can respect friends / fellow Hibbies regardless of their political views yet be so intolerant and disparaging of politicians whom we don't know personally and who represents another party to the one we support.

    I'm one of Labour's growing pro Home Rule element who has never regarded Scottish Labour as remotely Unionist. As an independence supporter who is not a nationalist I find much in Kezia to admire. No1 is her taste in football teams . Another is she is a good speaker on many subjects. She has conviction. She is a socialist if her belief systems are based more upon political theory and values than from a working class background or industrial experience.

    She also has a private personal life which was revealed in the press against her prior wishes. In 2017 she fell in love with a bright, talented, beautiful MSP in Jenny Gilruth. I'm not convinced that a political old boy like Jeremy Corbyn would view a cross-party relationship as appropriate for a Scottish Labour leader and faced with the choice of love or a leadership role it may be that she has decided to put her relationship first. Conjecture I know but based upon some inside knowledge from within Labour party circles that the public announcement of their relationship raised some concerns over her judgement. It's certainly unusual for high profile politicians to cross party lines for love.

    I'm not sure we can expect either to be switching to their opposing parties any time soon but I hope to start seeing Jenny at Easter Road on a regular basis. GGTTH!!
    Well said.
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    Grabs the mic to tell us,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    She was facing a leadership challenge, and likely to lose, let's not put this down to personal reasons, although she may have seen the light. 💡
    She was not facing a challenge. The Scottish Left Review who have attacked her for the last few months have little sway in the party. The bottom line is that only 1 left wing candidate might stand everyone else has ruled themselves out. She stood down for personal reasons not anything else
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    She was not facing a challenge. The Scottish Left Review who have attacked her for the last few months have little sway in the party. The bottom line is that only 1 left wing candidate might stand everyone else has ruled themselves out. She stood down for personal reasons not anything else
    I would believe this but with SNP members claiming to have inside knowledge on this I'm not sure what to think.

    The moment that Nicola Sturgeon rather cynically betrayed a personal conversation during a GE debate visibly upset her, you could see she was shocked and hurt. I did wonder at the time if she would stay on much longer. Despite what we think there are still some politicians of all parties who will not abandon common decency for political gain. Charles Kennedy was one, Kezia Dugdale appears to be another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    I would believe this but with SNP members claiming to have inside knowledge on this I'm not sure what to think.

    The moment that Nicola Sturgeon rather cynically betrayed a personal conversation during a GE debate visibly upset her, you could see she was shocked and hurt. I did wonder at the time if she would stay on much longer. Despite what we think there are still some politicians of all parties who will not abandon common decency for political gain. Charles Kennedy was one, Kezia Dugdale appears to be another.
    Ooyah. That last sentence.

    I've been personally and professionally insulted by Kez for what appears to have been political gain. It's an old story that I've told a couple of times on here, so I'm not going to revisit it. I'm also willing to accept that she was young and inexperienced at the time, and was influenced by the party machinery.

    Bottom line, though. She's a politician....which for many is a value judgment in itself She'll have to go some to prove her integrity to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Ooyah. That last sentence.

    I've been personally and professionally insulted by Kez for what appears to have been political gain. It's an old story that I've told a couple of times on here, so I'm not going to revisit it. I'm also willing to accept that she was young and inexperienced at the time, and was influenced by the party machinery.

    Bottom line, though. She's a politician....which for many is a value judgment in itself She'll have to go some to prove her integrity to me....

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    I've missed that story then. Obviously I can't put my hands up to posting ***** without knowing it.
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    Every gimmick hungry yob,
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    Grabs the mic to tell us,
    He'll die before he's sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    I would believe this but with SNP members claiming to have inside knowledge on this I'm not sure what to think.

    The moment that Nicola Sturgeon rather cynically betrayed a personal conversation during a GE debate visibly upset her, you could see she was shocked and hurt. I did wonder at the time if she would stay on much longer. Despite what we think there are still some politicians of all parties who will not abandon common decency for political gain. Charles Kennedy was one, Kezia Dugdale appears to be another.
    That would be after Kez had given an interview in an MSM rag, but casually missed out the critical support for Indy2 comments, all in the aftermath of the Brexit result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    That would be after Kez had given an interview in an MSM rag, but casually missed out the critical support for Indy2 comments, all in the aftermath of the Brexit result.
    It's was a private conversation and she denies what was actually said. You can spin it any way you like but it was a betrayal of trust by Sturgeon. That's what many politicians do though, you could say NS was just doing her job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    It's was a private conversation and she denies what was actually said. You can spin it any way you like but it was a betrayal of trust by Sturgeon. That's what many politicians do though, you could say NS was just doing her job.
    When challenged in parliament, Kez decided to back down. Not like her eh. You can spin it any way you like though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    When challenged in parliament, Kez decided to back down. Not like her eh. You can spin it any way you like though.
    You are totally ignoring the fact that your beloved leader betrayed a confidence. Not like you eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    You are totally ignoring the fact that your beloved leader betrayed a confidence. Not like you eh?
    Yours too.

    I've not ignored anything on this story, unlike your post #37 which seems to paint Kez in a rather alluring light, when the facts actually tell a different story.

    Each to their own though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Yours too.

    I've not ignored anything on this story, unlike your post #37 which seems to paint Kez in a rather alluring light, when the facts actually tell a different story.

    Each to their own though.
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    So, let the battle commence. Dick, meet Anas.

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    For such an anti-nationalist, he doesn't half hold a pro-nationalistic view when it comes to the Labour leadership in Scotland.

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    I felt sorry in some ways for Kezia. Sometimes sincere, at times passionate but more often out of her depth. I think she was meant for something better than politics, which often it seems, makes good people pretend they believe some pretty strange things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    So, let the battle commence. Dick, meet Anas.
    Childish and immature...but made me laugh. :-)

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    Labour hustings tonight.

    Announcement that there's to be no questions about candidates financial arrangements or domestic circumstances.

    Open and transparent then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Labour hustings tonight.

    Announcement that there's to be no questions about candidates financial arrangements or domestic circumstances.

    Open and transparent then.
    Surely their domestic arrangements are their own affair.
    I assume that questions about their financial arrangements were excluded last night to allow both candidates to talk about policy, things that will actually affect people's daily lives. . Seems reasonable, it could all have been bogged down with Sarwar getting grilled about the family business. He will come under plenty more scrutiny for that over the next month or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Surely their domestic arrangements are their own affair.
    I assume that questions about their financial arrangements were excluded last night to allow both candidates to talk about policy, things that will actually affect people's daily lives. . Seems reasonable, it could all have been bogged down with Sarwar getting grilled about the family business. He will come under plenty more scrutiny for that over the next month or so.
    surely someone who is standing to promote labour values that will effect peoples daily life should receive questions as to why a business he has shares/involvement in contradicts these values? not exactly transparent is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacoluna View Post
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    surely someone who is standing to promote labour values that will effect peoples daily life should receive questions as to why a business he has shares/involvement in contradicts these values? not exactly transparent is it?
    I am in no way going to defend Sarwar. If the Labour Party choose him as their leader in Scotland it will be one almighty own goal. The facts about what his family business does are already out there and he has already responded.
    Concentrating on actual policy at a hustings event seems like a good idea to me, politicians of all parties seem happy to avoid doing that if they can.
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    Two big SNP supporters both commenting on internal Labour Party hustings. I'm sure the winner will be as open and transparent as all other party leaders in Holyrood

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    Two big SNP supporters both commenting on internal Labour Party hustings. I'm sure the winner will be as open and transparent as all other party leaders in Holyrood
    It was posted on Facebook by your one time comms guru Alan Roden(ex daily mail politico).

    If he didn't want people to watch it, he shouldn't have posted it.

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    Leonard must be the firm favourite now. The Labour mini-revival in Scotland may turn in to something more substantial if he can build on the Corbyn effect. Interesting times ahead.
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    Leonard must be the firm favourite now. The Labour mini-revival in Scotland may turn in to something more substantial if he can build on the Corbyn effect. Interesting times ahead.
    You would think so. Is it one member - one vote for the Scottish leadership?

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    You would think so. Is it one member - one vote for the Scottish leadership?
    I have no idea.
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    I have no idea.
    Sarwar's only hope is surely having enough of his dad's pals in good positions. If it's left to the membership the Corbynite should stroll it.

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    I have no idea.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti...2017#Procedure

    As with the previous leadership election, the election will be held under one-person-one-vote from an electorate of members, affiliated supporters and registered supporters.

    Leadership candidates must be an MP, MSP or MEP, and need the support of at least 15%, or five, of the thirty-two Scottish Labour MPs, MSPs and MEPs.
    Sarwar is toast.

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